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Unrestrained White Queen vs BB

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No. Omnipresence is literally on the speed page and is literally listed as a speed stats.

Trying to bring that up in a speed equalized match makes no sense whatsoever. I can legit tell you the ammount of matches I've been to where blitzes would happen due to Omnipresence but didn't because it was equalized.
 
C.C.C can be dodged right, or if you are like White Queen can just destroy the space to remove C.C.C , the ability is easy to escape from
 
CCC doesn't destroy her influence on the material world either so she simply comes back from that even if hit. And furthermore I'll point out that it is based on Potnia Theron now that I looked over at BB again. Potnia Theron = Authority, so even if there wasn't the material world influence for the White Queen to rely on, she would still resist it due to saying nope to Authority.
 
can some explain HOW BB applies her powers like a good concrete kind so we get an idea and omnipresent is more of a state iirc
 
I have to admit, when all the BB matches started popping up I knew it was only a matter of time until this happened. I'm not going to vote in this, since my knowledge of CCC and BB is practically nonexistant, but here's some tidbits about the White Queen that should be mentioned given some of the points raised.

White Queen's stamina is only high because she casually throws around very powerful attacks and shrugs off what should be fatal injuries. It's not like we have standard levels of stamina.

No, the White Queen cannot destroy all space-time. Her attacks destroy space-time in a small area, creating temporary white rifts in space-time until space-time self-repairs and the rifts go away.

The Greater Grail thing draining her powers away might not work: the Colorless Little Girl who was designed to kill her has a similar technique and she still failed to permanently kill her.

This is not 100% confirmed, but Fate/Probability and Poison/Curses/Soul stuff is not going to work well against the White Queen.

  • Fate Manipulation is very likely resisted. Red Lady (Blood Sign) has Fate Manipulation and is as useless against the White Queen as the other Unexplored-classes, plus in crossovers the White Queen has resisted Yukari's Fate Manipulation and T├¢r's Victory Blessing. Probability Manipulation does not show up in Blood Sign, but it's one of the things the White Queen casually shrugs off in the crossover when faced with Higashikawa Mamoru and Bunny Girl Kare.
  • Soul Manipulation is likely resisted since the Ashen Shrine Maide is as useless against her as the other Unexplored-classes. Poisons and curses are also likely resisted via same reasoning, not to mention those two things are likely 2 of the 48 status effect resistances she has.
 
Considering that C.C.C. is used to reconstruct entire Far Side, where space and time aren't exactly normal, I think her chances of dodging are not so great. Don't remember how imaginary space exactly works. Being unaffected by BB's Authority doesn't mean you'll be unaffected by C.C.C. We've been through this.

So what kind of BB is this? Monarch restricted the part of BB where she kills someone in the past, but he didn't restrict her existence. I don't know how you imagined this.
 
@Swag CCC only has to do with concepts of the Human World. The Unexplored of the White Queen has literally nothing to do with that, standing beyond even the gods, and her being the highest of them - any material which is fodder to her already defies laws of physics and logic of the world.

Saying CCC will be erasing concepts and space that has nothing to do with it is an overestimation with no basis.

And sorry but I doubt that. It's literally written in BB's profile that CCC is still based on Potnia Theron/Authority so saying that it cannot be resisted by ignoring authority is the same as saying Gilgamesh would have been oneshotted by it at the endgame nonetheless.

That's not flying.

And: "So what kind of BB is this? Monarch restricted the part of BB where she kills someone in the past, but he didn't restrict her existence. I don't know how you imagined this." <<< I legit don't know what this point was supposed to mean.
 
Reppuzan: "Yes, C.C.C. is simply the maximum application of her authority while the other aspects are more passive. HOWEVER, she can still use it even if her normal authority is subverted, and she can use it to force a game over. "

But C.C.C. WAS used on the Far Side, and the Far Side was rewritten by BB to create an area where others can exist. The Far Side has nothing to do with the "Human World".
 
@SwagPack Reppuzan: "Yes, C.C.C. is simply the maximum application of her authority while the other aspects are more passive. HOWEVER, she can still use it even if her normal authority is subverted, and she can use it to force a game over. "

/\ She can use, sure. But it's still authority based.

Anyone who resists Authority will resist CCC by default because the effects of the power happen based on Potnia Theron's Authority. BB can go ahead and use that, but White Queen will resist it and then she'll be stuck trying to kill her 512 times, while she will STILL come back even after all those 512 forms are destroyed even if BB removes all her influence from both worlds or outright creates something specifically designed to kill her like Kyousuke did only to fail hard anyways despite the White Queen letting herself be killed.

At the same time, one hair to overwrite BB's soul or to mind hax her or just some of the trillions of space time deleting weapons the white queen will be firing can obliterate BB. And that's forgetting the countless materials appearing which can produce Vessel Infection to Summon Another White queen and then BB is even more rekt.
 
And for measures don't you dare please tell us something like 4-D mind, that isn't an excuse for BB to resist mind hax
 
The White Queen's superior hax, Resistance to BB's Authority which makes most of BB's hax useless, her Law Manipulation, and Resistance to Hax in general make this a clear victory for her majesty.
 
If BB uses C.C.C. your servant will die, even with the Power of the Beginning. That's why Gilgamesh doesn't have resistance to existence manipulation, for example. Resisting Authority does not equal being unaffected by C.C.C.

I don't know how she's going to manipulate BB's mind, since she is the Moon Cell. BB spent infinity to take control over the Moon Cell. I could simply ask you to explain me how White Queen is going to affect the mind of a being whose mind has influence over all of space-time.
 
Influence over all Space / Time =/= Being all of Space Time

That just means she can affect past, present and future.
 
>I don't know how she's going to manipulate BB's mind, since she is the Moon Cell. BB spent infinity to take control over the Moon Cell. I could simply ask you to explain me how White Queen is going to affect the mind of a being whose mind has influence over all of space-time.

Dammit Swag, i did say don't give me the 4-D mind bullshit and i trusted you ;( , either way BB doesn't have any shown resistance towards mind hax and having influence over space-time just makes you able to manipulate....space-time.
 
@Swag Saying CCC will oneshot someone who resists and nopes the main component of the technique (Authority/Potnia Theron) and is literally said that time and space obbey her, plus having 512 forms plus a broken kind of immortality and can still come back even if all of that is noped is one hell of an extrapolation.

The White Queen isn't any servant otherwise she wouldn't even be on this match. And yes, resisting Authority does equal resisting CCC. It's literally in the description of the technique and Reppu himself in the explanation you quoted above pointed out that it's still Potnia Theron one way or another. No way it is ever oneshotting an equal opponent under these conditions.

And she doesn't need to even manipulate her mind, simply Overwrite her soul and a single hair is enough for that.

Also this whole "Mind has influence over all of space and time so she won't affect it" is utterlly moot, it makes less sense than "682's essence is 11-D so it cannot be affected by anyone 3D" despite both of them being in the 3rd dimension.
 
When your mind controls your existence, which is spread across space-time, then you have a really strong mind.

I did quote Reppuzan about C.C.C. and I guess he'll have to repeat his words here too.
 
This is mentioned in her page, so it's odd to have to point it out, but the White Queen's Law Manipulation is limited in terms of scope, just like her Time/Space Manipulation and her Reality Warping.

Also, as the name implies, Vessel Infection works by infecting vessels. Vessels are humans or animals born with special talent, not other Materials, so unless the battle takes place in the Blood Sign world where the White Queen has some chances of finding a vessel she cannot create copies of herself. Only one Material has acted as a vessel and it's the White Queen herself.
 
That seriously doesn't hold any ground against someone on an equal level of power mind-haxxing said mind. It's like saying Methuselah wouldn't mindhax BB based on that because "her mind is superior because is spread across space-time", which frankly speaking? Could at most just be another aspect of her Omnipresence all things considered.
 
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@Lazy You're totally forgetting this: "Her ability to disregard physics and logic at will appears to be sourced on how she made the entire Unexplored-class, the anthropomorphic personifications of the laws and elements of the other world, submit to her during the Secret War. Additionally, after they gave up, the White Queen destroyed and erased every law and formula that might lead to her defeat/death."
 
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The possible vessel creation is just the icing on the cake. It's not the deciding factor for the White Queen, just yet another point in her favor.
 
It's hard to when you're busy replying to a thread that's so filled with hax, there isn't even any room to move. lol
 
@FateAlbane

I'm just pointing out mistaken assumptions about her powers whenever I see them.

I didn't forget about that part either. That part is extremely vague, and likely referring that she modified the laws so that the Unexplored-class could not defeat her again like they did in the Secret War. She only did this once in very specific circumstances, there's no way to know if she could replicate the feat whenever she wants. The rest of the time she just sticks to manipulating the rules of the summoning ceremony.
 
LazyHunter said:
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@Lazy The feat is as obvious as it gets. If she erased all laws and formulas of something as abstract as the materials and even more, the Unexplored class so she could not be defeated, her power is very much a perfect counter for defensive laws that would get in the way of her winning. Also the Law Manipulation is used exactly to get rid of BB's defensive aspect that is pretty much the same thing as her feat.

Saying this does not work here despite being exactly what she did is disregarding the feat and her power based on headcanon.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Exactly, it's not a feat. She's still just one mind and to mindhax her you just need to be a better mind-****** than what she's resisted.
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Lol, and i don't think BB had shown any mindhax resistance so yeah she's goofed in that one.
 
>So, they'll use Law manipulation until one of them gets bored, I guess. Or until BB slams the C.C.C.

Law manipulation won't work, i beg of you *bows down* please read what we are saying above or better read White Queen profile and her power, I feel like my Z-Rank Luck is affecting everyone who votes with me
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
So, they'll use Law manipulation until one of them gets bored, I guess. Or until BB slams the C.C.C.
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Soul Overwrite + Mind Hax that BB has no resistance to + Space Time Deletion >>> CCC that is resisted
 
Aaaand~ we're back. Since we have more input on WQ, she takes this definitely with her resistance to BB's authory and superior set of abilities.
 
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