undertale speed revision

[Pepsiman25th]

Undertales Supersonic+ speed makes 0 sense
i think it should be removed after a discussion me and others had in a separate thread
the SuperS+ speed got 0 factual evidence and therefore should be removed

Let's look at frisk, who performed the subsonic+ feat:

Average Human with minimal Determination, up to Supersonic with higher levels of Determination (Can keep up with Asgore)

Asgore: Supersonic (Effortlessly avoided all of Undyne's attacks when she was a youth, all while refusing to fight back. Fought Frisk who had higher determination than when they faced Undyne)

Supersonic (Should be much faster than every other monster in the underground, including attacks from Greater Dog. Can run faster than Frisk on foot)

Greater Dog: Subsonic+ combat speed (Superior to the other royal guards. Comparable to Frisk who could dodge his barks at these speeds), Transonic attack speed with his barks

Looking back now, I think I can see the reasoning, they are scaling undyne's speed above the greater dog's bark attack, but I don't see why that would be anything more than attack speed scaling.

Also how is the dog comparable to frisk and still subsonic+?

Oh then we have sans: at least Supersonic+ reactions (Capable of consistently dodging Frisk to such a degree that they could never land a hit on Sans, even if they reset and knew exactly what he would do and where he would be, and even if he was asleep. Was only hit after Frisk broke the rules of the game to do so)

Yeah, doesn't work like that, that would just be higher reactions, and most of it can just be skill and timing with his speed anyway, plus sans knows that we fought him before so the player knowing how it would play out wouldn't help because sans would know that they know it
(credit to Thelastmlg)

TLDR all those who are supersonic and above should be subsonic+ (calc)

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

agreed.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I was about to make the thread lol

Let's look at frisk, who performed the subsonic+ feat:

Average Human with minimal Determination, up to Supersonic with higher levels of Determination (Can keep up with Asgore)

Asgore: Supersonic (Effortlessly avoided all of Undyne's attacks when she was a youth, all while refusing to fight back. Fought Frisk who had higher determination than when they faced Undyne)

Undyne: Supersonic (Should be much faster than every other monster in the underground, including attacks from Greater Dog. Can run faster than Frisk on foot)

Greater Dog: Subsonic+ combat speed (Superior to the other royal guards. Comparable to Frisk who could dodge his barks at these speeds), Transonic attack speed with his barks

Looking back now, I think I can see the reasoning, they are scaling undyne's speed above the greater dog's bark attack, but I don't see why that would be anything more than attack speed scaling.

Also how is the dog comparable to frisk and still subsonic+?

Oh then we have sans: at least Supersonic+ reactions (Capable of consistently dodging Frisk to such a degree that they could never land a hit on Sans, even if they reset and knew exactly what he would do and where he would be, and even if he was asleep. Was only hit after Frisk broke the rules of the game to do so)

Yeah, doesn't work like that, that would just be higher reactions, and most of it can just be skill and timing with his speed anyway, plus sans knows that we fought him before so the player knowing how it would play out wouldn't help because sans would know that they know it

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

greato

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Looks like Supersonic comes from Undyne being scaled above the Greater Dog’s barks, which move at the speed of sound. Since there’s nothing suggesting Undyne is faster than its barks then Supersonic seems fairly unjustified, yeah.

They should be downgraded to Subsonic+ speed via this calculation or Superhuman speed via this calculation.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I think superhuman running speed with subsonic+ combat and reactions speed works, and transonic attack speed for being superior to greater dog

 

[Pepsiman25th]

ill add these if yall want so that way ppl can see it

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

yes

 

[Thelastmlg]

Add what?

 

[Antvasima]

@Saikou_The_Lewd_King @Eficiente @Starter_Pack @Crabwhale @Armorchompy @Andytrenom @Udlmaster @CrimsonStarFallen

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, which characters need to have their speeds adjusted to Subsonic+ then?

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Anyway, which characters need to have their speeds adjusted to Subsonic+ then?

the ones who are supersonic
there's nothing saying that undyne is faster than greater dogs barks
(this calculation is for the subsonic+ speed)

 

[Thelastmlg]

So basically all bosses i guess, gotta check the enmies though becuase some might scale to toriel or something

What will we do with sans? Will we add his reactions justification to his overall speed or will he have "higher" reactions?

 

[DaReaperMan]

What will we do with sans? Will we add his reactions justification to his overall speed or will he have "higher" reactions?

Higher.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

yeah, higher for sans reaction is good

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Superhuman movement with Subsonic+ combat/reactions is good for me, yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

the ones who are supersonic
there's nothing saying that undyne is faster than greater dogs barks
(this calculation is for the subsonic+ speed)

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

so do we need more user/staff input?

 

[Antvasima]

Preferably yes, although this seems fairly self-evident.