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Undertale range issue

Buttersamuri

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So looking at Undertales range. Why does he have "At Least Dozens Of meters". Nothing Sans does in undertale supports that kind of range. The boxes size inconsistencies make that too hard to generally measure, and even if we say used the bones like regular bone size, or used Frisk soul to measure it. That certainly doesn't hit Dozens Of meters. Let alone justifies an At Least Dozens Dozens Of meters. The best feat I see I'd Undynes spear feat, where she can summon fans shoot Spears a few meters. The range of her spear feat should likely be calced. But with what we have currently on it. "At Least Dozens Of Meters" seems way too far. Especially since an At Least tends to imply they likely could have much further reach.

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A calc here shows the boxes should give most undertale characters a bit over 20 meters at best. So a Low Tens Of Meters.

As well. Tsunderplane Has Kilometers which is a big no no. Also should definitely be downgraded.

Something that also should be discussed is what fights this effects, as a range change of this degree definitely should change some fights of not a majority
 
I think majority of range on this site is vaguely pin pointed. Normally when you have a character onscreen having projectiles heading there way, tens to dozens of meters is normally just slapped on there since range involving projectile attacks arent really game changing if they are just a dozen metres below someone elses. Plus most people dont take the time to accurately measure everything due to how pointless that would be.

But the height of the soul is around half a meter. Which would make sans bones alone several metres in length. Sans should spawning these attacks a good distance away from himself giving them much greater range added on. And on top of that gaster blasters would also be able to hit someone from an even greater distance as well, likely comparable to that range.

I think tens of meters would be better wording since that can be anywhere from ten to one hundred as listed on our range page.
 
Also it seems all the undertale characters have several dozens of meters listed for their danmaku. So this isnt really an issue for sans alone.
 
Gasters are separate as being notably larger than bones which makes sense. But Tens Of meters sounds more accurate. Might be best if someone calcs it (sounds pretty simple to)

And if that's the case. I'll rename the thread.
 
I mean, even napstablook in mad dummies fight can fire projectiles that extend the full length of the screen. It would be pretty hard to calc it accurately. I but I think it would make the most sense to give tens of meters to those who use noticeably ranged projectile attacks and at least a few metres to the likes of froggit.
 
Oof. Seriously? We should fix that yea Should we get other experienced people on the verse here?
 
Well. Several dozens of metres can easily be changed to tens not only due to being unproven but due to it following what is listed on our range. Same for few metres which can be changed to several for better wording. So I suppose I can work on that.

I suppose you can contact some knowledgeable staff to see which characters should likely have their range outright changed as well.
 
I dont think it would have much affect on sans matchups. I should note that there is an instance where sans throws you through a coridor of bones which can help support it, although its kinda unknown if he extended the corridor youre falling through with spatial manip, though im pretty sure spatial manip extending range would give you better range anyway.

Also at least should be decided on. Because at least only remains if the higher cap is indetermite. Ill try to contact whoever i can (dont have much time atm).
 
And another thing id like to bring up is that projectiles treat the box as a solid object. When spawned outside the box they can travel all the way across the screen (which would grant tens of meters. Im not sure if that could give most characters tens of metres or be considered as gameplay mechanics.
 
Leaving outside the box is not s game mechanic I think. Since when fighting say The Mad Dummy, you have to use his own attacks against him.

Sans I feel like would be spatial manipulation. Cause he stretched or the box and shrinks it's height. Feels more like that then just that kind of range. And it would contradict the rooms size if it was that long.

Tens of meters sounds alright to me atm. I'll keep this open though and ask around a bit too. But we definitely need to update some like Tsunderplane
 
Well, what i mean is when a bunch of bullets are spawned and one spawns outside the box.

Tsunderplanes range is due to them originally being assumed as being a real plane dropping literal ivy mike nuclear bombs. Though depends on whether several or tens of metres is better for them.
 
I'll say, if the calc gets accepted and they get debuffed to a bit over 10 meters (since their attacks do come from off screen in the longer box, it should be a little longer, but even the long box was just barely over 10 meters. It's not a lot), we should really consider speaking about his win loss record. Cause there would be several fights that should probably get yeeted due to how much range he loses.
 
Have we had his teleportation range calculated, too? (Off-topic, but I still remember arguing for Saitama against Sans, due to Sans being unlikely to escape the range of Saitama's shockwaves.)
 
It again should be noted that sans is a much greater range due to being a good distance from the attack. And the gaster blasters are also able to go from one corner of the screen to the other iirc

Either way. He should be listed as tens of metres.
 
Ehh. That's iffy. He wasn't very far away. He was close enough that melee combat is possible. So we can't really say that adds much of anything. And the long box at best was slightly over 10 meters. Not even by a full number. If we assumed his attack range went across the entire screen, which would probably work for his only his Gasters, Than he could hit maybe into the 20 meters at best if we assumed the box was half of the screen, which is more than half. Meaning it's honestly likely under 20 meters.
 
Pretty sure frisk would have had to get close after he finished his attacks and he was far enough to not be affected by the danmaku. Plus hes far enough to not be affected by his own bones. I think it is safe to just outright reword the characters to say (at least) tens of metres. Just deciding which ones are more likely to have that range and which ones are likely to be below ten.
 
Nothing implies frisk moves closer to strike sans. Sans only makes movement when you strike. Him not being effected by his danamuka is more so he knew where he was attacking and none of it was heading his direction. So he didn't have to dodge it. And it's safest to go off of we can see and not assume more.
 
The burden is on you to prove frisk was close to sans while sans was attacking. Filling the whole area with bones is not knowing where to place his attacks, he was clearly nowhere near center of all that. If he was then he would have been required to dodge and we wouldnt have seen his sprite where it was. Ten meters is still tens of metres
 
Should asgore be given several metres with his trident? The thing covers the full length of frisks screen and even without that, is over two metres long on its own. Unless handheld weapons dont get several metres under most cases.
 
Yeah. That is the thing. I feel as though on occasion it can be a little inconsistent. Otherwise we would have doggos knife as being several meters or even so sorrys tail. Though i feel as though it can be scaled to some noticeably ranged danmaku patterns such as asgore and sans'.
 
Asgores staff should be fine since it's definitely very big. It's always bigger than him. So it should be fine with several meters considering their sizes
 
Well, the weapon itself is a couple metres. though he wouldnt be using the full extent of it as he swings it. I feel as though at least extended melee range works best.
 
"If we scale the size of Frisk's SOUL to the size of her actual body"

Which we shouldn't. We already got that one calc that shows frisk next to an actual Soul. We shouldn't scale her soul to her bodies size
 
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Well, the weapon itself is a couple metres. though he wouldnt be using the full extent of it as he swings it. I feel as though at least extended melee range works best.
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He could levitate swing it tho cant he? Though I guess it that's his magic really. At least does seem safer I suppose.
 
Lesser dog. He never uses magic. His most ranged attack is summoning a dog to leap into the opponent and the spears he uses. How do you think it should be worded?
 
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