Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

[Cire]

You’re

And let's say it is a bog standard explosion. It would be UMA Galaxy exploding himself from what we can see, but everything surrounding it after the fact is vague. What happened to Galaxy? Did it turn into the cosmos itself and lose all forms of sentience and its actual body?

I didn't answer cause I wasn't sure by what you meant. And I still don't, how does all of those celestial bodies moving at FTL speeds because of Uma Galaxy exploding means anything for his own scaling. Again, read up if it was from him exploding himself.

how is it vague? Galaxy expanded himself into the universe. He is still alive afterwards because Uma’s have to be alive for their rules to work.

And Uma Galaxy holding all of universe inside of him shows that he is literally strong enough to move the universe. It’s very blatant and you asking “how does this apply to Galaxy’s scaling” doesn’t make any sense. He is literally, on screen, carrying galaxies within him.

 

[Alexander]

Cire, put yourself a pfp, just a advice

 

[Cire]

Done

 

[Alexander]

Done

Looking good Cire, looking good.

 

[SDTaro]

Isn't the Master Room a pocket dimension inside the Sun?

I don't recall it being a pocket dimension. Only that it is a room inside the Sun.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I don't recall it being a pocket dimension. Only that it is a room inside the Sun.

Well here are the following reasons why I think the Master Room is a pocket dimension:
1)This space was first shown to be accessible through Uma Move's portals

2)In Chapter 191 Apocalypse says this:

And later when the protection returns and the gate is closed Andy gets teleported out side:

3) The things that the rules govern over are shown to be identical to it's real world counterpart, the sun being no exception. So I'd say that the Master Room being a pocket dimension is the most likely explanation for why it could be in the sun at all.


There is also the fact that Portal Creation falls under the rule Uma Move governs. So I think it's safe to say that portal that Nico opens using Language's power has the same properties as the ones that Uma Move uses, since a)she is shown to be capable of copying other UMAs, and b) Uma Move is the only one that Nico knows about who actually uses portals.
With that said, even assuming that Master Room isn't a pocket dimension I think it's safe to say that Language would still have it as an ability anyway.

 

[SDTaro]

Well here are the following reasons why I think the Master Room is a pocket dimension:
1)This space was first shown to be accessible through Uma Move's portals

2)In Chapter 191 Apocalypse says this:

And later when the protection returns and the gate is closed Andy gets teleported out side:

3) The things that the rules govern over are shown to be identical to it's real world counterpart, the sun being no exception. So I'd say that the Master Room being a pocket dimension is the most likely explanation for why it could be in the sun at all.


There is also the fact that Portal Creation falls under the rule Uma Move governs. So I think it's safe to say that portal that Nico opens using Language's power has the same properties as the ones that Uma Move uses, since a)she is shown to be capable of copying other UMAs, and b) Uma Move is the only one that Nico knows about who actually uses portals.
With that said, even assuming that Master Room isn't a pocket dimension I think it's safe to say that Language would still have it as an ability anyway.

No issues with Language being able to open portals. I just don't think it should be labeled as Dimensional travel. It seems (at least to me) a bit redundant for them to have their own subspace inside the Sun. It makes more sense for their Subspace to just exist as is. Also, if we treat it as a subspace then that means Andy's Soul somehow held them back from a separate Dimension which I don't think he did. We would also have to ask ourselves, how is Andy getting to this separate space without UMA Move?

 

[MysticBrawler]

We would also have to ask ourselves, how is Andy getting to this separate space without UMA Move?

It seems to me that Andy entered through the gate that Apocalypse opened.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You’re

how is it vague? Galaxy expanded himself into the universe. He is still alive afterwards because Uma’s have to be alive for their rules to work.

Not the case all the time actually, when it comes to UMAs having to persist for the rules to work. We have MRs for a reason.

Now, Galaxy wasn't a MR in the 100th loop if I'm remembering correctly, but I wasn't saying he'd be dead anyways. I'm saying its vague because we don't have the status of Galaxy afterwards, because again, he could have lost all physical form or thought from the process while still being alive.

And Uma Galaxy holding all of universe inside of him shows that he is literally strong enough to move the universe. It’s very blatant and you asking “how does this apply to Galaxy’s scaling” doesn’t make any sense. He is literally, on screen, carrying galaxies within him.

You're going by visuals, yes? Has there been any concrete statements confirming that he's indeed holding the entire cosmos inside himself? Because the cosmos could just result from him exploding, and those celestial bodies being created afterwards from that process.

I'm saying all of this because I'm curious about the arguments you want to express. Really, I don't have much of an attachment to the scaling, but I am curious.

Also nice pfp btw.

 

[MysticBrawler]

No issues with Language being able to open portals. I just don't think it should be labeled as Dimensional travel. It seems (at least to me) a bit redundant for them to have their own subspace inside the Sun. It makes more sense for their Subspace to just exist as is. Also, if we treat it as a subspace then that means Andy's Soul somehow held them back from a separate Dimension which I don't think he did.

Oh yeah I forgot about this:

Doesn't this confirm that the Master Room is a pocket dimension?

 

[MysticBrawler]

By the way, shouldn't the Master Rules also possess Acausality(Type 1) since they can remember the Rules that were killed as well as previous loops even after they die?

 

[Cire]

Not the case all the time actually, when it comes to UMAs having to persist for the rules to work. We have MRs for a reason.

Now, Galaxy wasn't a MR in the 100th loop if I'm remembering correctly, but I wasn't saying he'd be dead anyways. I'm saying its vague because we don't have the status of Galaxy afterwards, because again, he could have lost all physical form or thought from the process while still being alive.

You're going by visuals, yes? Has there been any concrete statements confirming that he's indeed holding the entire cosmos inside himself? Because the cosmos could just result from him exploding, and those celestial bodies being created afterwards from that process.

I'm saying all of this because I'm curious about the arguments you want to express. Really, I don't have much of an attachment to the scaling, but I am curious.

Also nice pfp btw.

Addressing this, Galaxy was still alive after he released that giant explosion. His rule was still in place. The reason why I say that he carried all of the cosmos inside of his body was that we literally see the planets and stars inside of him. It’s not a big stretch. We don’t need a statement since he literally creates the entire universe from himself. Like it all comes out with a literal big bang. Thats why I think he scales to his own creation.

Even then, Sun himself was able to create Outer Space from nothingness with Luna. It was a giant white void at first before he turned it into space.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Addressing this, Galaxy was still alive after he released that giant explosion. His rule was still in place. The reason why I say that he carried all of the cosmos inside of his body was that we literally see the planets and stars inside of him. It’s not a big stretch. We don’t need a statement since he literally creates the entire universe from himself. Like it all comes out with a literal big bang. Thats why I think he scales to his own creation.

I'm not saying he's dead, in the posy you quoted I said he could have become nothingness while still being alive. As in the process stripped him of a physical form, so now he is the cosmos itself.

Even then, Sun himself was able to create Outer Space from nothingness with Luna. It was a giant white void at first before he turned it into space.

Did we see the process of this creation? I don't have any subscription on Manga Plus so I can't reread to remember. If it wasn't shown, then it could be chalked up to an overtime thing, or through an unknown process.

Geeeeze, it's like the story should have slowed down some to explain some of these events and plot threads more clearly

 

[Cire]

I'm not saying he's dead, in the posy you quoted I said he could have become nothingness while still being alive. As in the process stripped him of a physical form, so now he is the cosmos itself.

Did we see the process of this creation? I don't have any subscription on Manga Plus so I can't reread to remember. If it wasn't shown, then it could be chalked up to an overtime thing, or through an unknown process.

Geeeeze, it's like the story should have slowed down some to explain some of these events and plot threads more clearly

He couldn’t have become nothing because all Umas have a core. If the core gets destroyed then they die.



Here is Sun creating the Earth with Luna.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

He couldn’t have become nothing because all Umas have a core. If the core gets destroyed then they die.

And that core could still be there somewhere, out there, yeah? though honestly I did sorta forget about that part for UMAs

Here is Sun creating the Earth with Luna.

So it takes both of their combined power to create a single planet? I mean, I feel like that's sort of a big thing to consider.

 

[SDTaro]

Oh yeah I forgot about this:

Doesn't this confirm that the Master Room is a pocket dimension?

Oh okay that's better confirmation. I didn't remember Nico saying that. That should work then

 

[Cire]

And that core could still be there somewhere, out there, yeah? though honestly I did sorta forget about that part for UMAs

So it takes both of their combined power to create a single planet? I mean, I feel like that's sort of a big thing to consider.

I don’t see why Sun and Luna creating the planet together is an anti feat. They said that they were going to make it together as part of their game.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I don’t see why Sun and Luna creating the planet together is an anti feat. They said that they were going to make it together as part of their game.

Maybe so, but its looking as if it's taking a while for the both of them to create it properly. It isn't an instant action from the both of their powers, which can further support the notion that all subsequent creation took a long ass time.

 

[Alexander]

Maybe so, but its looking as if it's taking a while for the both of them to create it properly. It isn't an instant action from the both of their powers, which can further support the notion that all subsequent creation took a long ass time.

Galaxy:i am a joke?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Galaxy:i am a joke?

Perhaps he is just the goat, he does have the best UMA design after all

 

[Alexander]

Perhaps he is just the goat, he does have the best UMA design after all

Uma gold will differ

 

[Cire]

Again, Sun created Uma Galaxy in seconds. Wouldn’t see why Sun wouldn’t scale to his own creation

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Uma gold will differ

a little too late for that the series is ending in like, 2 or 3 more chapters

Again, Sun created Uma Galaxy in seconds. Wouldn’t see why Sun wouldn’t scale to his own creation

Then we loop all the way back to creation hax shit, reality warping, whatever! We're (note: I am) going insane!

 

[Alexander]

a little too late for that the series is ending in like, 2 or 3 more chapters

at least it ends better than jujutsu

 

[Cire]

a little too late for that the series is ending in like, 2 or 3 more chapters

Then we loop all the way back to creation hax shit, reality warping, whatever! We're (note: I am) going insane!

Main thing: It’s hard to say that it is solely RW when it’s a a giant explosion. Like, we use creation feats for AP all the time. How is this different?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Main thing: It’s hard to say that it is solely RW when it’s a a giant explosion. Like, we use creation feats for AP all the time. How is this different?

I might be imagining things but I could've sworn that creation feats weren't AP anymore? Thought I saw a thread over that.

Either way, maybe it's best to save a discussion over this for a CRT so that everything's collected into one post.

 

[MysticBrawler]

By the way, shouldn't the Master Rules also possess Acausality(Type 1) since they can remember the Rules that were killed as well as previous loops even after they die?

Bump

 

[SDTaro]

I don't remember who asked, but to answer whether Andy can regen from his soul, I will say yes since that's where his regen comes from in the first place. Also, Andy and Victor can regen their souls since it was cut by unrepair, and they didn't die.

 

[Cire]

Has anyone calced the MRs flying back to Sun in one panel?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Would it be alright if I made a profile for Isshin and Tatiana?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Would it be alright if I made a profile for Isshin and Tatiana?

Bump

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Would it be alright if I made a profile for Isshin and Tatiana?

Sure, go for it.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I finished Tatiana's profile.

 

[Alexander]

I finished Tatiana's profile.

we also need for Top

 

[LeBronslegacy]

Shouldn’t language have subjective reality on her profile? Her whole word powers are based on how well you can use your imagination.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Shouldn’t language have subjective reality on her profile? Her whole word powers are based on how well you can use your imagination.

That does make sense.

 

[Cire]

I wanna get the AP buffs CRT but am lazy.

 

[Alexander]

I wanna get the AP buffs CRT but am lazy.

you need to be Unlazy

 

[Cire]

I just don’t want to deal with the arguments.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Shouldn’t language have subjective reality on her profile? Her whole word powers are based on how well you can use your imagination.

I did consider including that, but I thought Text and Conceptual Manipulation would already have that covered so I decided not to. If Language is to be given Subjective Reality then does that mean her Creation hax should be removed? Cause Creation is already under the possible uses for Subjective Reality.