Ultra Sonic vs Ego

[WeeklyBattles]

Has it shown to be able to do something like that though?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Fate hax is passive.

Plus has Ego's energy drain ever been used on a 2-A for the matter?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shadow Cool, how does it help Sonic here?

Yes, all of Ego's powers were amplified to 2-A level when Galactus granted him his power

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Has it shown to be able to do something like that though?

An example would be a beam that was supposed to kill Sonic instead made him turn into Super Sonic.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, cool

Has it shown to be able to negate passive abilities?

 

[MYHERO]

@Weekly How would that help your case that the fate hax won't affect his because its passive? I think its pretty simple that it will just rewire his abilities once its detected. It's not like it has a password or anything.

 

[Elizhaa]

How exactly would fate hax prevent something from passively happening?

It doesn't unless it has the feat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@MY If it doesnt have the feats of negating passive abilities you cannot argue that it would

 

[Christian_Higdon]

realizes I never voted

Hmmmmm.....this is why I never debate on my own.

 

[MYHERO]

@MY If it doesnt have the feats of negating passive abilities you cannot argue that it would

Why?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@MY Because that is making assumptions that the ability will do something that it has never shown to be able to do

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Shadow Cool, how does it help Sonic here?
Yes, all of Ego's powers were amplified to 2-A level when Galactus granted him his power

I asked if it has feats of working on a 2-A.

Even so, I question how effective energy drain would be on someone massively stronger than him.

 

[MYHERO]

But then again the Fate hax is random as hell but I see your point.

But what is it about passive abilities that makes it so special from the rest that it can't be negated?

 

[Wokistan]

They don't need to, shadow. Assuming that Ego being upscaled to 2-A actually only affected one usage of his powers and not the rest is quite frankly absurd.

Even on the file though it notes that Ego killed dudes comparable to Lifebringer Galactus.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Has he ever absorbed energy from someone who can stomp him by moving in his direction?

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree with WeeklyBattles's point on the feat. If Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave) doesn't have the feat, then to assume that he can is a No Limits Fallacy (NLF).

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Weekly It essentially works as a cosmic shove in the right direction. For example, Sonic using an ability that would end the fight instead of going in like he usually does. And no, it hasn't shown to be able to neg passive abilities (I think). It's been shown to have a situation essentially shift over into his favor through random means.

Sonic has bypassed Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation with Enerjak, he'd have no problem doing it here.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where are yall getting that Sonic is vastly stronger than Ego here?

 

[MYHERO]

Now that I think about it, this whole fate hax for Sonic is just a glorified version of a NLF

 

[Christian_Higdon]

>Sonic above Ego in AP

 

[Lightbuster30]

He's apparently 1000x his Super Self, who is comparable to people who create dream worlds from across the entire multuverse (I question it's legitimacy, but it got assumed to be 1 quadrillion baseline (again I find it questionable myself)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

They don't need to, shadow. Assuming that Ego being upscaled to 2-A actually only affected one usage of his powers and not the rest is quite frankly absurd.
Even on the file though it notes that Ego killed dudes comparable to Lifebringer Galactus.

We don't assume Bill's hax works on higher-dimensional beings for example because it has no feats of doing so, even if he's 2-A. Otherwise he wouldn't have a bunch of losses

Sonic has the AP advantage. Energy drain is more effective against beings that are weaker.

 

[MYHERO]

I agree with WeeklyBattles's point on the feat. If Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave) doesn't have the feat, then to assume that he can is a No Limits Fallacy (NLF).

My point is no longer that of the Fate hax for Sonic not doing anything. I'm asking why passive abilities won't get nulled out like others.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He's apparently 1000x his Super Self, who is comparable to people who create dream worlds from across the entire multuverse (I question it's legitimacy, but it got assumed to be 1 quadrillion baseline (again I find it questionable myself)

Ultra has a distinct AP advantage. I wouldn't put him more than 10K times baseline though.

Super Sonic is 285 times baseline, if my math was done right.

 

[Elizhaa]

I will be honest from what I have read Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)'s sound like an unimpressive Supernatural Luck since it essentially works as a cosmic shove in the right direction. Besides, Causality Manipulation is a better ability and argument than Fate Manipulation in any case.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Ultra has a distinct AP advantage. I wouldn't put him more than 10K times baseline though.

Well like I said: I don't 100% agree with it. (Being quadrillion x baseline)

 

[MYHERO]

I will be honest from what I have read Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)'s sound like an unimpressive Supernatural Luck since it essentially works as a cosmic shove in the right direction.
Besides, Causality Manipulation is a better ability and argument than Fate Manipulation in any case.

Then what would actual fate manipulation look like then?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Regarding Sonic's AP:

There are infinite zones (universes) in Sonic's multiverse.

There's Illumina's dreamworlds in Maginaryworld, each being universe sized and created from the dreams of everyone in the multiverse.

Mega Man has his own multiverse as well.

Super Sonic managed to affect all of this in Worlds Collide. Ultra Sonic is even stronger than that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Amend my above math to 428.5 times baseline for Super (not Ultra) Sonic.

 

[Wokistan]

Absorption would work fine on someone stronger than you. It'd just take a while.

 

[MYHERO]

How high is Ego in terms of baseline? If it's lower than cal's calc then we should agree that Sonic should have the Ap advantage and save the discussion about his actual ap somewhere else.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ego is comparable to Galactus who views being 2-A as an immensely small fraction of his true power

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It'd take a while making it less effective.

 

[Wokistan]

Ego's file seems to imply it's above lifebringer via its AP justification, but that doesn't make very much sense.

 

[Elizhaa]

Just caught this fact, Ego's AP and rating should actually be At least 2-A because he is on par with Galactus (Marvel Comics)'s Lifebringer key:

• Multiverse level+ (Empowered by the Wellspring of Life by Lifebringer Galactus, Capable of casually crushing and ripping in half Aspirants capable of fighting on par with Lifebringer Galactus)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Amend my above math to 428.5 times baseline for Super (not Ultra) Sonic.

Actually, you may need to divide this by 2, as I forgot Sonic shared his feat with Mega Man, halving it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Ego is equal to Lifebringer

 

[MYHERO]

Great now its gonna be an AP discussion

 

[Elizhaa]

I guess fixing the rating is just a clean up than since the justification is on Ego's profile. I will fix it then.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Regarding Sonic's AP:
There are infinite zones (universes) in Sonic's multiverse.

There's Illumina's dreamworlds in Maginaryworld, each being universe sized and created from the dreams of everyone in the multiverse.

Mega Man has his own multiverse as well.

Super Sonic managed to affect all of this in Worlds Collide. Ultra Sonic is even stronger than that.

Reposting this.