Ultimate Kars vs Bog

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Where? Show me where Ultimate Kars used acid when its not even on his profile.

Or we can just maybe use what he was shown to use instead of what is hyped to be able to use but never ACTUALLY used due to not using it in character. We dont allow this fr any other character, Kars is no exception.

And yet Kars never bothered to try to hypnotize Joseph to pacify him so he could kill him, never tried to use any mind hax in general.

I can count at least two dozen abilities from the Composite Organism that would have let Kars beat Joseph without killing him and allow him to kill him with his bare hands himself if he were actually willing to use them in a fight, but he never did. So yes, he was lucky that Kars didnt think to use any one of his hundreds of newly acquired abilities to incapacitate him so Kars could kill him.

There is quite literally nothing else to go off of from how Ultimate Kars fights other than his fight with Joseph where he displayed lethal overconfidence and refrained from using his massive arsenal despite supposedly having the ability to do so and very much wanting Joseph dead.

 

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Not ultimate normal did and he had absorbtion listed which in case ya forgot already pillar men use type of acid ta absorb.

Ah sorry except the plethora of rpg characters or gikgamesh.

Hamon. Why did Dio not do that or why did hamon masters do that on pillar men? Think about what ya say before ya say it because all this can be handwave with just a little bit of thinking.

I mean he wanted Joseph via dead via hamon for a karmic retribution what do ya want me ta do? And weekly ya do realize kars and ultimate kars are litterally one and the same. His personality did not change and he had confidence when he had all and every reason ta be confident man. Ya think he would act like that on an opponent he lacked any prior information on and something very obviously not of his ability of power? No he would act not that different from when he fought an opponent he needed worry about. He has a brain weekly and he would not treat bog on par with Joseph who he had multiple fight and preparation for fighting.

 

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Show me Ultimate Kars using it

RPG charcters and Gilgamesh actually DISPLAY said abilities. Kars on the other hand does not. Its stated that SCP-682 can adapt to counter ANY threat but we're not gving it a resistance to every ability ever unless its displayed. The same logic applies here. Not even Kars'

Except personality-wise theyre not. Not even close. I may need to catch up on a good deal of Jojo but Part 2 is the one part i actually have knowledge on and ive seen the final fight enough times to know that Ultimate Kars is MUCH more overconfident due to his abilities making him believe he cant lose, which eventually lead to his downfall. He demonstrated the power and ability to easily do whatever he wanted to to whoever he wanted, hell he cut off Joseph's arm ridiculously casually, he could very easily have killed Joseph right then and there if he wanted but his overconfidence is what made him refrain from doing so. His overconfidence lead him to being tricked into and nearly killed in in a volcano. His overconfidence is what lead him to chasing down Jojo by flying when he could have easily pinned him down with projectiles to stop him from escaping. His overconfidence is what lead him to mock Joseph when he was vulnerable instead of finishing him off which he easily could have done. His overconfidence is what lead him to become distracted which caused him to be hit by volcanic debris which prevented him from escaping being launched into space. His overconfidence is what lead him to try to use air jets to return to earth in the vacuum of space which resulted in him freezing himself solid.

Also no, he did not specifically want to kill Joseph with Hamon, he did that ONCE, he was perfectly willing to cut Joseph in half when he thought he was falling with a parachute, and he was going to let Joseph be launched into space by the eruption.

Which reminds me, his regen needs to be adjusted, he was in no way regenerating fast enough to save him from being melted by magma, it was very explicitly killing him and he literally only survived due to creating double layer armor over his entire body and even then he would not have survived for more than a few minutes before it broke through and killed him. Being able to control your body on a cellular level also des not constitute any level of Regenerationn.

 

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Yeah because somehow if normal kars had that ability ultimate jars did not.

Nope try again weekly. Gil had numerous weapon we let him have yet he never actually used just because of his "all weapon" statement. Plenty of room characters have abilities which had not once been used ever.

Except weekly ya wanna keep saying thinks which the manga itself explicitly noted had been wrong. Let just go and point out each flaw.

1.He demonstrated the power and ability to easily do whatever he wanted to to whoever he wanted.

Exactly ya just proved my point.

2.he could very easily have killed Joseph right then and there if he wanted.

And he just about did except Joseph whipped out aja.

3.His overconfidence lead him to being tricked into and nearly killed in in a volcano.

German Nazi out of litterally nowhere did.

4.His overconfidence is what lead him to chasing down Jojo by flying when he could have easily pinned him down with projectiles.

He actually did do that at one point man.

5.His overconfidence is what lead him to mock Joseph when he was vulnerable instead of finishing him off which he easily could have done.

Yeah on that one man.

6.His overconfidence is what lead him to become distracted which caused him to be hit by volcanic debris which prevented him from escaping being launched into space.

No? Joseph arm digging a hole via neck and Joseph bullshitted made him lapse for just fraction of a moment which had him fail debree he would move for man the narrator outright explained.


7.His overconfidence is what lead him to try to use air jets to return to earth in the vacuum of space which resulted in him freezing himself solid.

Man do ya have any clue what overconfidence even entail as that had nothing do with overconfidence or anything at all.


There ya go weekly. >Fast enough. Also ya excluded the fact he litterally healed all that damage moment later.

 

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Never said he didnt HAVE it, just that he didnt USE it. He could have easily used it to destroy the rocks that pushed him into space or Stroheim's or Joeseph's disembodied hands to destroy them but didnt.

Oh? Then Gilgamesh should recieve the same treatment.

2. My point being at any given point in time he could have flicked Joseph and it would have killed him but he didnt.

3. No, Stroeheim just shot his hand at him, Kars' overconfidence lead him to try to attack a very obvious decoy which let Joseph blindside him with a plane.

4. Not when it actually mattered, he could have easily stopped Joesph from getting to the plane, he could have stopped Joseph from even trying to run in the first place, but he didnt.

6. He literally stopped to mock Joseph before making his escape, which is what allowed him to get hit by all of those thing in the first place.

7. Yes, i do. He believed that he couldnt lse so easily and thus put too much confidence in his abilities without thinking about the consequences of doing what he did, leading him to be frozen solid and cursed to float forever in space.

He was never reduced to a puddle in the first place, he should not have Low-High Regenerationn. If he stayed in the lava he would have died.

 

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Yeah? Yeah right he did not. He still had the power though.

Well have fun with ya crt. Ya may have had a point if the entire premise of ultimate jars or gil did not revolve around this as a basis for that and we have no reason ta think otherwise MAN.

He wanted a hamon death for him man.

Mostly pis on the decoy but rudol is what made him fall into lava.

Yet he did the projectile anyway later when he had tired of Joseph and his lucky tricks and all bullshit.

Ya think him stopping for a moment to tell joseph he failed when he did and overconfidence is the same thing? He was right. Luck defeated him.

Ya confusing "suicidal overconfidence" with "not acting optimally and not doing exactly what he needed to do against an opponent he all right on defeating and had only been defeated via luck and unpredictable events by either joseph or kars excluding the fact kars actually attempted Joseph and his life multiple times on varying". Yeah he may have done better but he did good for having joseph defeated with ease and only lost via outside force and event.

Also once again ya wrong man. Yeah because kars will definitely treat bog as just on par with joseph. Ya think he lacks any form of intellect man because ya acting like kars would just let him do whatever man.

No? Dio on the other hand.

 

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Exactly, but he never used it even though he could have and i would have saved his ass on more than one occasion.

No, he didnt, he just wanted him dead and explicitly tried to kill him without hamon on at least three separate occasions (The multiple attempts to cause the plane to crash, trying to slice him in half with his wings when he thought he was on the parachute, and letting him get launched into space by the eruption). He claimed that hamon would be a poetic death, but never once does he mention that he wanted to exclusively kill him with hamon.

I mean given how consistently Kars lets himself be deceived with his confidence its hard to call this pis. Rudol isnt what made him fall into the lava, being hit by the plane made him fall into the lava, Rudol just held him onto the plane when he looked like he was going to escape.

Yes, when Joseph actually tried to fight back Kars actually bothered with projectile attacks.

Yes, stopping to mock your opponent instead of very easily killing them while theyre injured and can barely move or letting them die while you escape and survive is textbook overconfidence.

What im getting at is that Kars could have literally killed Joseph before he even got a chance to run away with the Stone, but instead decided to stand there and watch him get a head start and then give chase. If Kars killed him then and there he wouldnt have died and his plans would have been successful. If he literally just punched Joseph or cut him to pieces instead of using hamon for a 'poetic death' he wouldnt have been launched into space. There are so many instances where Kars let his overconfidence take over and it lead him to his downfall. And no, he did not 'do good' against Joseph, the fact that he even let Joseph, a guy who by all intents and purposes is complete and utter fodder to him, get more than a few steps away without killing him gets rid of the notion of Kars 'doing good against Joseph', let alone everything else that happened after that.

Never said he'd let Bog do whatever he wants but he would almost definitely underestimate him.

Dio never regenned from being reduced to a puddle either so im not sure why youre bringing him up.

 

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So, where is the thread going?