1)I was replying to someone who started bringing up future stat changes for a revision which has not even happened, why are you complaining about me going outside of the purview of the thread and not him also?
They mentioned it off hand. That is fine, it also doesn't matter because Ubel is already quicker than Gojo, that just exacerbates the problem as people kept arguing Gojo is somehow quicker.
2)I recently watched the anime which included that part (I found the show kind of annoying tbh so I haven’t gone and read the manga even though I’ve been spoiled), though I shouldn’t have to say that given it isn’t an argument- dare I even suggest your ass is off topic by bringing it up.
No not really, if you want to argue something, it's on you to actually factor in all the caveats and context, not cherry pick 1/10th of what's said and frame it as the only issue, while framing it in a way that was never actually said.
But the anime? If you watched the anime why even argue this, they straight up animate Zoltraak as far quicker than the Still's mach speed (which is actually pretty visually accurate, they cover about like 400mps a second), meanwhile the "fast" magic is animated to cover such distances in mere frames, while also doing stuff like making sonic booms?
It’s similar in that if you take the statement seriously it provides a cap. Though there’s a bit of a difference in that Frieren is a bit more relative in the scene and on the other hand isn’t a statement the author has expressed was probably dumb.
The "statement" is "This bird can fly faster than supersonic speeds". She never at any point says she can't react to it, the fact we're told she can react and dodge attacks that are ALSO stated to be mach speed, invalidates this, why ignore the fact she can and has statements saying otherwise? Why take a mach statement that doesn't convey what you think it does, and then just like, ignore other magic statements that put her higher than it if statements is all you care for?
Mind you, they say faster than, not at the speed of sound, they actually exceed it.
Whataboutism is a silly point because there are supposed to be precedents on the wiki. If I’m capable of successfully arguing my point people should oppose Frieren speed upgrades or support JJK speed upgrades.
Go upgrade JJK then.
3)I’ve seen these arguments now and I’m not sure what’s really being gotten at, from the anime they never reacted to it.
You really need to go back and check lad.
It was possible to catch it in spells but that’s because it was just quite slow to react.
That isn't what was said, nor shown. They even say in that exact same scene that
it's quick to react if mana is involved.
In fact they even say, and show, that after a point the Still's started escaping before they even got in range immediately at mach speed. Despite that, they still managed to tag them a few times with magic, it just didn't keep it down.
We saw it get captured before it actually used its fast speed, and once it employed that speed nothing could be done (even though one of the girls said she should be able to capture it in those large enough bodies of water, but that the bird would move at the speed she cannot in fact react to if she got close).
They also say that now that the birds are aware of their magic, a chance like that wouldn't come to pass again, despite that, they say they could do so again, it just wouldn't work because it'd break free.
You also like, literally just shot down your point. If she can't even get within like 20m of one to use her magic, how is she supposed to use her magic to catch it?
The problem was multifaceted but it wouldn’t be a problem that would work were the bird’s serious speed not totally impossible to react to (although you probably wouldn’t need much else if the bird was constantly going at that speed).
They LITERALLY do not ever say that, and actively say and show otherwise. They just can't chase it with flight magic should it escape, which it had, no less than 4 times, because mind you they did in fact encounter it again after it was alerted to magic and became cautious to where it would flee right away.
The only spell they had, was a spell where they needed to be within 0.5m of it to incap it. When it kept flying away usually right away, other magic that would work couldn't hold it down or effect it, it always knew they were coming, yadda yadda, the entire problem posed is different from what you speak. Obviously, getting within 0.5m to a thing that knows theyre coming 20m+ away and will flee into the sky at a speed quicker than the two chicks can chase it, is kind of a problem.
Frieren flight sucks so much the bird going that fast shouldn’t be relevant anyway, unless the point is that while the bird can be caught with those restraining spells normally, as soon as it starts moving seriously they are no longer capable of doing that.
The major caveat they point out is specifically at that speed, flight magic can't chase it should it escape. Not that they can't tag it, not that it isn't reactable.
They have no means to actually restrain it due to being as strong as a dragon and even offensive magic doesn't phase it should they try that method (next to a scan of one sitting in dug out trail, so evidently, they did so, hit it, and it just didn't do a thing), from there, it would escape and flee, at supersonic flight speed, they would not be able to chase it once it breaks free. This is what was said and explained. The speed issue is explicitly solely for chasing it as flight magic is limited due to its very principles.
Tagging it, reacting, and other magic speed is a nonfactor. We know it isn't, even just ignoring statements or feats that would put Frieren quicker (yes, statements), even basic magic like Zoltraak has generated sonicbooms while covering kilometers in a second, and everyone notable can react to that.
You're extrapolating the issue to extend to things it explicitly doesn't extend to.
Not that we should be arguing this here, it's derailment so I'm not replying to this shit again but.... You're being kind of obnoxious, it's accepted regardless.
