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Type 5 Acausality Issues/Clarification

I'm not getting your point?

Type 2 isn't Plato's idea. It's something that is inspired by it that happens to be a thing in fiction
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Before we get into that heated philosophical debate, can my question be answered? The question in question: can a type 5 acausal horse be affected by type 3 and 4 conceptual manipulation?
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No, unless those concepts are higher dimensional compared to the horse.
 
But that's an oxymoron. I'm inclined agree with Uldmaster, by virtue of them being bound by Space and Time they no longer should be considered platonic Forms.
 
They aren't considered Platonic Forms

Edit: Going to sleep, will answer again tomorrow
 
Kaltias said:
I'm not getting your point?
Type 2 isn't Plato's idea. It's something that is inspired by it that happens to be a thing in fiction
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However, my point is, it's no longer a Platonic concept, True or False, it simply isn't.

It's based on Plato's Idea in the first place, hence the name and the fact it's stated to be near identical to a real Platonic concept.

But the thing is, it's flat out not a Platonic concept in any sense of the World.

The whole basis for "Type 2 affecting Type 5 Acausality" is based on the notion that Type 2 works on a similar way to Type 1 just on a Dimensional level.

But that's wrong for one. The mere fact it's bound by Time and Space, it means it is bound by Laws, it's bound by accidentals like Time and Space, it is no longer unchanging and is no longer able to affect things like Type 5, as Causality is a concept that is also bound by Time and Space, the Platonic concept is bound by this.

And since it is thus bound by this, it cannot touch Type 5.
 
However, my point is, it's no longer a Platonic concept, True or False, it simply isn't.

It's based on Plato's Idea in the first place, hence the name and the fact it's stated to be near identical to a real Platonic concept.

But the thing is, it's flat out not a Platonic concept in any sense of the World.

The whole basis for "Type 2 affecting Type 5 Acausality" is based on the notion that Type 2 works on a similar way to Type 1 just on a Dimensional level.

But that's wrong for one. The mere fact it's bound by Time and Space, it means it is bound by Laws, it's bound by accidentals like Time and Space, it is no longer unchanging and is no longer able to affect things like Type 5, as Causality is a concept that is also bound by Time and Space, the Platonic concept is bound by this.

And since it is thus bound by this, it cannot touch Type 5.

What you suggest is that acausality type 5 should be only available for 1-As?
 
No, you can be Transcendant of Causality without being 1-A.

But you cannot be Platonic (Conceptually) without being Atemporal and Aspatial.
 
PaChi2 said:
>Uldmaster: they are bound by time and space! They are not Platonic concepts!
>Kaltias: that's exactly why they are called false.

>Udlmaster: but they arent platonic!

>Kaltias: ...
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Point in case when over simplification ignores much to do with the argument on both sides.
 
It's platonic in name only because it's a trend in fiction to call it such when authors don't know alot about things (or at least everything about it) even though they intend it to be so. We already treat it such with other powers like with elemental manip (true vs false lightning, electricity, fire, etc) and black holes. If it doesn't display every properties of a phenomena and exactly the way it is in real life then we just tack the prefix 'pseudo' in front of it. Often times I need to consult a specialist (scientists or philosopher) to distinguish an ability being either real or fake.
 
In WoD there's:

The Supernal, a Realm of Nigh-Infinite Platonic truths.

The Vulgate, a Realm of Platonic thoughts, where idea becomes reality.

The Umbral Realms, the Platonic examples of Heaven, Hell, Nirvana etc.

The Spires, Mountains made out of Platonic concepts, where the idea of Movement loses meaning.

The Epiphanies, where the very idea of a concrete reality loses meaning, and contains an infinite amount of Realms exactly like itself, where each of these are for each different person's view of the realm, as each person sees it differently.
 
I'm gonna jump into this, as I have a question. In a verse that I am in the middle of explaining, every single minor god and deity actually lives in a plane that in completely unaffected by time. Time, therefor, does not actually matter to them. Is that grounds for Type 5?
 
Crimson Azoth said:
I'm gonna jump into this, as I have a question. In a verse that I am in the middle of explaining, every single minor god and deity actually lives in a plane that in completely unaffected by time. Time, therefor, does not actually matter to them. Is that grounds for Type 5?
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Sound like Type 4. For Type 5, they need or the realm they live in need to transcends Causality itself not just time
 
You can have causality in a place with no time, though the two concepts are usually tied together in some way. On its own, I don't know if we'd really give any sort of acausality for it.
 
having causality in a place with no time would synonymous to characters with Type 4 as it would a different Type of Causality from our own.

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.
 
Question, is it possible to have resistance to Fate manipulation, and precognition type hax and not be acasual?
 
Well yeah you can just have resistances.

Those are just granted by default for x type of acausality.
 
So question

Since I just found this

Could I get cliff's notes plot synopsis on what is considered the counter to Type 5 Acuasality
 
So Type 2 does allow interaction. I'd heard this was the case. Thanks for the quick info boyo, I shall see myself out.
 
From what I can gather, abilities that do not function on a causality system.

Type 2 Concept manipulation isn't an answer, because it's bound by concepts like Time and Space etc. and thusly, would be bound by causality, as to be affected by time is to experience change, hence my tirade on why Type 2 is stupid in everyway.
 
Dude, not every type 5 acausality is 1-A, and people above have pretty much agreed that it does.

And please quit the "type 2 is stupid" rant because while I understand that you think it goes against what Plato said etcetera, you get what it is supposed to be.
 
Your main reasoning for the Type 2 tirade, it seems, is the name referring to concepts that truly transcend reality as a True Platonic Concept, whereas Type 2 is only transcendent of one level of reality, making it not a platonic concept at all
 
I really don't care for a appeal for Popularity, I more so care about being factually right.

You can be unbound by Space and Time and not be 1-A, I'm not even sure why you're bringing up 1-A for, we're talking about Acausality, not Atemporal and Aspatial.

And, there hasn't been a reason given for why a Type 2 concept, which as described, is bound by time and space, would affect something that lacks any causality?
 
Udlmaster said:
I really don't care for a appeal for Popularity, I more so care about being factually right.
You can be unbound by Space and Time and not be 1-A, I'm not even sure why you're bringing up 1-A for, we're talking about Acausality, not Atemporal and Aspatial.

And, there hasn't been a reason given for why a Type 2 concept, which as described, is bound by time and space, would affect something that lacks any causality?
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By "Space and time" we mean "Spatio-temporal dimensions".
 
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