Twin Star Exorcists Revisions

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ok, so can't help but notice that all the pages fro Twin Star Exorcist are inacurate, for one Kuranashi is rated as country level for lifting narukami, however it took him a lot of prep time to do that. Rokuro Enmadou pre training is listed as building level for a feat performed with his evolved arm, however that feat was with the help of Benio Adashino, they have a power called resonance which boost their strength exponentially, rokuro isn't normally that strong.

Post training rokuro is listed as Multi-City Block level for destroy a part of a forest, however that is filler feat. And he is listed as country level in kegare form with kuranashi's feat which he did prep as justification, this makes no sense. And then he he listed as supersonic+ for being comparable to benio, and benio is listed as supersonic+ for intercepting rokuro's bullets, rokuro's bullets have never been stated to be that fast though, the best speed feat i remember is from episode 2 where benio moves faster than people could see.

Anyway the characters should all be at unknown as the anime has deviated from the manga a lot, we would have to scale them with feats they performed from the manga, however i haven't read the manga so unless someone can post feats from it, for now they should all be put at unknown.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Is the anime even canon? I feel like I have been asking this question a lot lately.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

From what i have heard it has changed the order of some things, and from after the first fight with yuto, it's all filler, so don't think it's canon.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Then I agree with putting them all at unknown.

 

[Nibbler3100]

Yes I'm taking care of it all doing some hard research, I just have to finish the Manga and need some time I updated my Calc, Kuranashi is actually Mountain which makes more sense and most of the verse is City level I agree with the speeds however we need a good calculation

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Kuranashi was able to lift narukami cause of extensive prep, he is nowhere near that level of power normally, no feat in the series comes close to that, you can't scale off a feat done with prep time.

I am not even sure if kuranashi is canon, he might just be a filler character, for now we have to put them at unknown until manga feats are provided.

 

[Nibbler3100]

Well you're sort of right he's been gathering spell power for this feat by absorbing the other exorcist powers just think of it like an Infinite Tsukuyomi. He still has the necessary power to do so afterwards since he casted it successfully and Benio gives a nice explanation of how Spells work in the manga, you can add prep if you want .

Kuranashi is an Anime-Only character I have made a Note on the page accordingly

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ok, so here is what we should do since kuranashi is an anime only character, you can scale him to rokuro and put him at MCB normally as he was stronger than rokuro, and then you should get that feat of that dude who is strongest of the 10 exorcist when he was figthing momochi and made a big explosion, i think that could be like town level. Since kuranasi absorb all the 10's powers he is superior to them so he should have an at least rating for that form scaling from the strongest of the 10, and also put muntain level with prep.

As for everyone else you have to provide manga feats, as for kuranashi speed he should be at least subsonic benio in ep 2 moved faster than ppl could see.

 

[Blanked]

I am manga only when it comes for this and honestly I don't remember any impresive speed feats, after that subsonic speed no one has actually surpassed benio in speed by any relevant diffrence thou I could check and post tomorrow if I find anything.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Cool, help with gauging their ap would be appreciated as well.

 

[Blanked]

^fine I will see what I can do about AP as well, but I am gonna need help from a calc members probably since i am bad at calcs (so I will see to post relevant things in calc thread for what I find) and I also don't really have time during work days ,I am literally all day on work, so i am not sure when exactly will I post probably tomorrow maybe day after.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just posting the feats is ok, Nibbler seems to be able to do calcs, so maybe he can help, otherwise we will just have to request it in the calc request thread.

 

[Nibbler3100]

The one where you're referring to is Tenma vs Momochi here at about 18:18 it doesn't look like anything Major I could do it though, but maybe it's possible to do something with the Closing of the Dragon Spots if that's quantifiable in anyway at 18:48 somehow...

Kuranashi wouldn't be MCB because he would be at least comparable to a 12 Heavenly Guardian, he's the strongest of the Basara and they're City normally as I put in my post, it takes 1-2 Guardians in order to even give them a match with the exception of the two strongest of course (Tatara and Tenma)

Rokuro = Yuuto > Abe no Seimei > Arima = Kuranashi > Tatara > Tenma > Basara(Benio) > 12 Guardians > Regular Kegare = Regular Exorcists

I'll adjust Kuranashi and just give him another key for his evolved form and use your suggestions as well.

Not even reactions William? In the Anime alot of higher level people blitz her constantly

 

[Blanked]

^i saw like 8 episodes of anime so I can't tell anything about that,but in the manga she was always able to keep up with even much stronger enemies at least speed wise,from what I remember,but as I said I can check it better since the manga is slow and it passes some time from certain battles.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Closing the dragon spots aren't quantifiable, and the 12 guardians aren't city level, as i already said lifting a city after extensive prep doesn't scale to anyone, and there are no other feats even close to that.

Edit: The guardians where indeed able to slow narukami's descent using that special technique so i guess city level makes sense, however that's vastly above what they are normally capable of, probably cause of that technique.

 

[Nibbler3100]

From what I read so far we have Ikaruga's little sister dodging Lightning and pushing Benio out of the way speedwise that Basara was in fact faster than Benio currently "Ch 26" he's only the 9th Strongest so we can Assume Kirjima the 4th Strongest is faster.

 

[Blanked]

problem with his lighting is the fact it's not acting like real at all, and you will see that later,like two or three chapters later where he can bend his lighting in many different ways so, about it's actual speed is really hard to tell and then there is the fact he should be the faster between them since the 4 one is strength concentrated.

Now I kinda feel bad to spoiler you things because the next 6 chapters from 26 are epic trust me.

And he is not much faster than benio especially after... And the fourth is also becoming faster because... Spoilers again lol

 

[Nibbler3100]

Damnit lol I thought that was legit Cloud-to-Ground Lightning, but I didn't get up to that part yet looks cool. Also I don't think anymore calculations are required at the moment since we can just scale from what we know now off of the Basara being a magnitude of 10 greater than the next one as they explained

 

[Blanked]

Magnitude 3 actually.

The only exceptions are top 3 since they are 1000+ years old, but we don't know their strength at all.

 

[Nibbler3100]

Wait, you misunderstand the scan; a Magnitude means a higher power of 10 in mathematics they were talking about Kamui being the weakest of the 11 and then they jumped right to talking about the 8th meaning 10^3 or 11-8 = 3, the 8th is that much stronger than the 11th, but the 10th is only 10^1, 9th is 10^2, and so on for the Basara we know of.

 

[Blanked]

^Yeah I see,but that won't really scale the characters since 9th and 4th barely had any diffrence if you actually look at the battle.

 

[Antvasima]

@Celestial Pegasus So, what is the conclusion here?

 

[Blanked]

I will add somethings for benio later today AP and speed wise and several others as well.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Antvasima for now all the characters except kuranashi should be placed at unknown as kuranashi is a filler character he scales from filler feats, everyone else though we are trying to gather manga feats to scale them by.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Blanked]

In about two-three hours I will place everything I gathered that's relevant for scailing.

 

[Blanked]

Benio shows up beetween 4th(base form) and 9th Basara(base form) without them noticing http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/7.html

Damage Benio's kick does with resonance (helped by Rokuro) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/17.html

9th basara(base form) moves so fast Benio couldn't see him getting behind her http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/36.html (in next three pages Benio is defeated with almost zero effort) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/37.html

http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/38.html

http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c026/39.html

9th bassara (base form) keeps pounding Mayura with no effort until she uses the power of a heavenly commander "byakko which is limited on 5 minutes

9th basara (in his base form) moves so fast Mayura can't follow him with her eyes http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c027/37.html

Damage Mayura does with byakko' power http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c027/40.html

9th bassara (let's call this lighting form for now) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c027/46.html

Strength of 4th bassara's attack (with equipped gear) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c028/7.html 4th bassara (with equipped gear easily overpowers Rokuoro and base Shinma during their battle)

4th bassara (equipped gear) damage he does with his attack being blocked by Rokuro http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c028/18.html

Shinma (with power of a heavenly commander limited on 5 minutes) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c028/29.html

9th bassara (lighting form) casually overpowers Mayura (with byakkura's power) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c028/30.html

Benio (for now let's call this "true form") http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/5.html

Benio (true form) overpowers and surpasses in speed casual 9th bassara (lighting form) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/8.html

http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/9.html

Full power Benio (true form) full power 9th bassara (lighting form clash) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/20.html

Result Benio loses conscious and 9th bassara is turned into his base form and has lost his leg http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/21.html

http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/23.html

Shimon (heavenly commander spell) overpowers 4th bassara (equipped gear) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c029/31.html


4th bassara's casual attack (after absorbing 9th bassara's power) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c030/19.html

Damage done from Rokuro's (bloodlusted) power up http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c030/44.html

Rokuro's speed http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c030/45.html

Rokuro hits 4th bassara (9th bassara absorb) before he even finishes his attack http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c030/46.html


4th bassara (9th basara absorbed) damage caused by a serious attack http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c031/24.html

Rokuro's(bloodlusted) attack speed http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c031/30.html http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c031/31.html

Rokuro (bloodlusted) overpowers 4th bassara (9th basara) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c031/36.html

Rokuro (bloodlusted) defeats 4th bassara (9th basara absorbed) and damage done by his hit (resonance with Benio) http://m.*************/manga/sousei_no_onmyouji/c031/41.html


Okay, this is pretty much a big part of what's gonna be used for scailing for couple of characters. It's only done this way because I don't have time at the moment so i will do a better version during this weekend,but at least you can get an idea of what am i going to post.

P.S during weekend I will also post things for others characters with feats before and after the pages that I've linked above.

 

[Nibbler3100]

We never agreed to place them at unknown Celestial Pegasus; Me and WilliamShadow are trying to solidify the proper stats on everyone plus my calculation was updated in the comments just not sure to go with the low-end, high-end, or mid-end

Why do you say 9th and 4th Basara had no difference, Higano was much weaker than Kirjima he fought weaker opponents it took Shimon's spell which increased his power by tenfolds just to fight base Kirjima and weaken him, whereas even Mayura was putting Higano on the ropes until Benio just used a portion of Ashiya Domon's power (like how Rokuro used a portion of Abe no Semei's power) to fight a Transformed Higano which is still very much weaker than Base Kirjima by roughly 3 magnitudes as the manga stated we can't discredit their scale. Really Great Fights by the way

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well the stats are inaccurate at the moment, so placing them at unknown would be best however that is probably not necessary, can just change them after all the feats are gathered and calculated.

 

[Antvasima]

Calculating all of the feats does not seem realistic. Just select the most impressive ones, and calculate them.

 

[Blanked]

@nibbler first Shinma(with heveanly commander) overpowered with realitive easy the 4th bassara in fact that attack would of killed him if Higano didn't step in front of him and saved him and it was not his base but with his gear equipped.

Second: Higano is 9 the other dude is 4 that's not just magnitude 3 that would be magnitude 15 which considering their power diffrence is too much.

Mayura also had her base upgrade by tenth fold(with heveanly commander byakko),but he still beat her casually as she stated herself how he was just toying with her (and of course Benio and Rokuro are pretty much equal in strength in the manga so saying she is a weak opponent is funny actually and with the transformation she got several times more powerful than Rokuro and yet her battle ended up with her somewhat losing anyway) so, saying the diffrence beetween 4th and 9th is of magnitude 15(or could be even greater if magnitudes are counted by diffrence in their age,but need to read that again) is a serious overdoing actually he only seemed that much stronger once he absorbed Higano.

^that why I am against scailing them beacuse of that magnitude statement since it seems more like a hyperbole too me.

There is also to consider how Rokuro overpowered 4th bassara (with Higano absorbed) while he barely fought his equipped gear form which looks like pis, but there is to consider that 4th bassara stopped because of some reason... as if he felt pain in his stomach or it could of been another person that affected him anyway it somewhat explains why Rokuro was able to overpower him of course I will go trough this better during weekend.

@ant well even with saying all feats we are maybe talking about 5 at max so it's not that big of a deal I guess.

Anyway as I said during weekend things will be more clear and if possible I would also like to discuss about their magnitude power scailing since it looks as nothing more than a hyperbole.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then. Can the members in this thread calculate the feats on your own, or do you need help from the calc group?

 

[Blanked]

^ I am not sure about nibbler he might be able to do so.

If not I guess we will just ask at least one person to help us anyway i go on work now... have a nice day everyone.

 

[Nibbler3100]

Unfortunately I suppose you're right it's best to take that as a hyperbole which kind of sucks. As for the calcs they're pretty straight forward I can do them myself, I just have very little time now and I know the wiki is pretty busy so I wouldn't want anyone to focus their attention away from the bigger problems so if anything I'll try do get some stuff done during the weekend, and if there's anything wrong that's what the calculation evaluation thread is for anyway, you guys can leave the Anime Feats in the Profiles though because of the Scaling in my recent blog and the feats/scaling already calculated and for the other feats.

Benio's speed should be Subsonic+ and Everyone above her would be at least that until speed calcs are made

I wanted to ask about Abe no Seimei though, so in the Anime he was stated to make the Dimension of Magano which is a parallel to the Earth Dimension I previously lowballed this feat at country level being that we haven't seen anything passed Japan but in the Manga there's actually this King of All Impurities that was stated to be able destroy the entire world and Abe sealed it inside herself like a jinchuriki whilst also creating Magano which was shown to be a reflection of the Earth itself does this warrant Planetary levels of power seeing that all the spells they used are fueled by their own bodies Spell Power.

 

[Blanked]

The King of all impurities sealed himself in her... It wasn't her that sealed him. Anyway i am not sure how we should scale the fact she created magano i suppose country lvl as well and maybe we could add a possible planet lvl since I am not sure if magano effects the entire planet.

For King of all impurities I guess we could scail him with her for now since,we don't know what does the statement of being capable of destroying the world mean,cause it might as well be progressive destruction rather than a single attack or similar. But with not having any picture for his profile from the manga we might as well leave him there for now.