Truth-Seeking Ball

[Ryop]

Is the Truth-Seeking Ball effective against characters out Narutoverse? can it one shot them? i think it been said they only neutralise Ninjutsu so others peoples that not use Chakra's attack will survive get hit by this no? or i Confused

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

Well they can use it to incapacitate their opponents to give them their advantage.

 

[Reppuzan]

By our verse equalization rules the effects would probably extend to things like direct magical attacks.

 

[Ryop]

So the Truth-Seeking Ball are really useless and has no effect against someone outside Narutoverse or they still can trun the enemy to dust?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

No, someone said they turn things to dust similarly to how Dust Release does. I think Hiruzen.

 

[Ryop]

Yeah he said that he think so but after this it been stated that the TSB can neutralise every Ninjutsu,so i am not sure if he can turn peoples to ash becuse he neutralise chakra or the TSB can simply trun everything they touch to ash(which mean for exmplse one shot superman etc)

 

[Damage3245]

Neutralizing chakra wouldn't have anything to do with turning things to dust. Dust Release jutsu can still turn ordinary objects to dust as well as people.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

They turn targets to dust like Dust Release does. Dust Release doesn't neutralize ninjutsu. So, it's not because he can nullify ninjutsu. Well, as for it doing that to Superman, he has resistance to Matter Manipulation on a subatomic level, I think. Jinton/TSBs work on a molecular level, so I don't think he would be affected.

 

[Ryop]

So the TSB can one-shot every character that dont have immunity to somthing like turn- into-ash? it can one shot Yhwach Darkside Green Green Lantern Ichigo Goku etc etc or this have a limit?

 

[Dariel_Senju]

Chakra is only the name with which it is called the energy in the Narutoverse, call Ki, Reiatsu, Cosmos, all are energy and therefore all the attacks that are based on the same can be annulled.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, not immunity to ash but resistance to Matter Manipulation. As for what you asked on the issue of it working on Green Lantern or severely stronger characters, I was told it would even be effective on characters like Beerus since it's hax. That is, if they look on and do nothing.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Chakra is only the name with which it is called the energy in the Narutoverse, call Ki, Reiatsu, Cosmos, all are energy and therefore all the attacks that are based on the same can be annulled.

Actually, it would be reiryoku in Bleach's case. Reiatsu is the pressure exerted by flexing it.

 

[Ryop]

@Dariel Senju

I am pretty sure that wrong,Chakra in Narutoverse isn't just energy like ki-this is a actual physical thing they have in thier body just like Circulatory system Human digestive system etc

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, but at the same time it is also Ki-like energy, Ryop.

 

[Dariel_Senju]

Chakra is only the name with which it is called the energy in the Narutoverse, call Ki, Reiatsu, Cosmos, all are energy and therefore all the attacks that are based on the same can be annulled.

Actually, it would be reiryoku in Bleach's case. Reiatsu is the pressure exerted by flexing it.

Thanks for the correction, I do not mastered as much Bleach as I wish.

 

[Ryop]

But this not energy this is a actual system in their body that unique only to Narutoverse-others universes like Dragon Ball(Ki) and Bleach(reiryoku) dont have such system in their Body so we cant compare Chakra to Ki i think

 

[Dariel_Senju]

@Dariel Senju

I am pretty sure that wrong,Chakra in Narutoverse isn't just energy like ki-this is a actual physical thing they have in thier body just like Circulatory system Human digestive system etc

Really what you mention is the Keirakukei, the system that allows the chakra to flow through the body, chakra is only energy.

 

[Ryop]

I dont think that true but anyway back to the point i have another question- why isnt the TSB's ability to turn everything to dush considered as NLF just like the Amaterasu? i mean the Amaterasu for example cant one shot Goku\Beerus\others isn't it?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Amaterasu doesn't ignore durability, I think. The subject was brought up but we were told to wait for the impending revisions.

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

I don't think it does but not sure how to get rid of it until the person getting burned turns to ashes.

 

[Dariel_Senju]

I'm just describing what each thing is: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra and http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra_Pathway_System

The Gudodamas must have a limit clearly, it would be ridiculous to say that they can annul attacks of universal stature or the like. However they can nullify energy in their different variants of different series called the same Ki or Chakra that is true because they do.

The Amaterasu can be shot at Beerus or Goku, I doubt he can hit them but if they can shoot them.

 

[Ryop]

The Rasenshuriken for example staed to hit at cellar level but Third Raikage was able to blook with zero danmge and no reason,he never claim he has immunity to cellar level attacks it just that his body was "very strong",just like One Piece characters for comparison so it porbably the same about the TSB's molecular level,no? it should be NLF

 

[Omimi]

tsb only weakness is sage energy

TSB has lot of ability Matter Manipulation only 1 of them

tsb can also erase soul

minato lost part of his soul it was erased via tsb http://imgur.com/QHryerS

+TSB has power to combined any natures to manifest a variety of effects

naruto used tsb as lightning rod ,to immobilize/seal madara limbo and immobilise Black Zetsu and used it Platform for sasuke to use

obito used it to heal himself , to creat Six Red Yang Formatioand created Sword of Nunoboko which has power to shape the world and + its powered by user willpower

kaguya can create dimension and can erase dimension

Toneri Ōtsutsuki used to create Silver Wheel Reincarnation Explosio and Golden Wheel Reincarnation Explosio and create a cage

tsb has Dust Release/Matter Manipulation

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

KCM Naruto is Large Town level. The Raikage is Town level (and will probably be downgraded). Base Naruto's Rasenshuriken made the Juubi scream in pain and one-shotted Kakuzu who's >> Base Naruto. It also worked on Kaguya and she's casually above Naruto and Sasuke. It obviously ignores durability. Personally, I don't know what to think of the TSBs working on Goku or Beerus. I was also expressing reservations about it but I was told it would because it's hax. And hax ignores durability. It should work on stronger opponents, but opponents that are vastly above them, I don't know.

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

The thing is when it comes to durability negation, we don't know its extent like if it's gonna work to characters that are vastly leagues ahead of them. Since it doesn't really say anything so it varies whether that stats are too high, too low, or just the same.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yes, what Byakuya said. NLF is always an issue.

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

Yeah one thing I remember in VS Threads someone was saying that Kaguya can beat Goku because of her BFR so I'm not sure if that's a good reasoning since that right there is very controversial.

 

[Golden_Void]

Sasuke was able to shoot them down with Susano'o arrows and he doesn't have senjutsu, so anyone who is roughly equal to the user in power or greater could potentially one-shot them imo.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Which version of Sasuke was that? Naruto/Sasuke vs Obito is regarded as PIS for the most part and he already had Jugo's senjutsu.

 

[Omimi]

Sasuke was able to shoot them down with Susano'o arrows and he doesn't have senjutsu, so anyone who is roughly equal to the user in power or greater could potentially one-shot them imo.

if u r talking about rinnagan sauke then he has six path chakra

tsb only weakness is sage chakra/six path chakra

 

[Golden_Void]

@Burning EOS

@omimi 2nd Hokage says senjutsu , as Naruto and his toad summon could affect the TSB before he got six paths chakra, though it would be a NLF to assume the TSB has the possibility to do what it does against someone just as strong as the user, if not stronger.

 

[Omimi]

@Burning EOS
@omimi 2nd Hokage says senjutsu , as Naruto and his toad summon could affect the TSB before he got six paths chakra, though it would be a NLF to assume the TSB has the possibility to do what it does against someone just as strong as the user, if not stronger.

six path chakra = juubi chakra = natural energy




TSB user/rsm user cant

affect natural energy/senjutsu

reason natural energy/senjutsu is part of juubi/ juubi herself

its easily understandable that naruto/madara /obito/TSB cant null/delete there own power source

 

[Dariel_Senju]

The Rasenshuriken for example staed to hit at cellar level but Third Raikage was able to blook with zero danmge and no reason,he never claim he has immunity to cellar level attacks it just that his body was "very strong",just like One Piece characters for comparison so it porbably the same about the TSB's molecular level,no? it should be NLF

Lol, A3 had a body that allowed him to be teleported at the speed of light without any damage, and even with that resistance and having lightning armor that increased his resistance exponentially he received slight damage from that attack.

Your argument is nonsense, you say that if A3 could withstand the Rasen Shuriken of Naruto then for some magic reason the Gudodama and its destruction at atomic level is a fallacy of no limit what does one thing have to do with the other?

After all, what's your point? We agree that the Gudodamas are not almighty and there will be things within the fiction that can not cancel or destroy, however that in no way contradicts the fact that they cancel most attacks that are made of energy and can destroy any Which do not resist atomic level damage.

 

[Omega998]

Tsb not effect minato clothes

 

[Omimi]

Tsb not effect minato clothes

PIS

 

[Damage3245]

TSB didn't affect Minato's clothes because he teleported the instant they touched him. The moment they were taken out of Madara's range, he was safe from them.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Chakra = Physical Energy + Spiritual Energy

Ninjutsu = Techniques that manipulate said energies to achieve various effects, Nature Manipulation, Elemental Creation, Energy Projection, etc.

TSB Abilities = Molecular Disintegration (Instant and disregards durability) | Matter Manipulation (Relative to itself) | Ability Negation (On physical abilities that doesn't incorporate Natural Energy)

The TSB can't negate or disntegrate Attacks or Physical Objects that incorporate Natural Energy similar Energies, like Power Cosmic for example. Strong enough attacks that aren't negated or disintegrated can destroy them (At Least Country AP in the case of Obito). They have no affect on abilities with no pbysical form (Illusions and such) or abilities that Manipulate Space-Time. Logically, Hax that does damage on a lower level will get over TSB disintegration hax (Provided it has Nature Energy or the like or no physical form). Reality warping (Superior to what's in HST).

So, honeztly, they aren't NLF. Powerful energy blast from characters like Goku for example wont blast it apart unless it's shown harming someone with resistance to molecular manipulation or lower.

Durability = how tightly packed molecules are in a specific area.

Ki blast = Pushing those molecules apart via a force. TSB = Separating the molecular bonds regards of density.

Force can't bypass a technique a that removes molecular bonds. The attack itself will get dismantled on a molecular level.

 

[Ryop]

TSB didn't affect Minato's clothes because he teleported the instant they touched him. The moment they were taken out of Madara's range, he was safe from them.

It only been sataed you cant control them after the 70 meter range,that not that their ability disappear or stop working after the 70 meter range

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Except as Minato Provez, they don't work after exiting that range.

 

[Ryop]

When it been said they dont work after they out they range?