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Truth FMA Downgrade
- Thread starter ProfessorKukui4Life
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if Truth rlly has Omniscient statements, it is a proof that it should be Omniscient or something, the whole Truth character seems like it
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So, for the downgrade of Omniscient to happen, the downgraders would need to prove Truth was unaware of the actions Father and Edward Elric would make throughout the story.
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its more of you need to prove that Truth knows everything that might/will happen in the future, we can safely say he knows everything that happened and is happening but the future bit is the hardest to prove, but that is my stance on this
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From what I know of FMA(FMAB)'s story, the downgraders would have trouble proving Truth didn't know what would happen throughout the story.
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Is there anybody to answer that?
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Oh yeah, just realized Truth being surprised over Edward's choice is Anime-Only
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makes sense then
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Requesting a Gallery for Truth to be made and put/listed this image in the Gallery as “Anime Only”
Edit:Gallery was already made, oops still requesting the image
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As i said before, there is only a Anti-Feat for the truth, and at least 2 feats for omniscient.
also apparently as showed before, the "surprised" scan is from anime, not from manga. it can be considered canon/adaptation issue or whatever
also apparently as showed before, the "surprised" scan is from anime, not from manga. it can be considered canon/adaptation issue or whatever
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Considering that Low 2-C is 3-A, I am neutral for the moment
The last time I saw FMAB was a long time ago. so I doesn't remember well. Truth in both the Fullmetal Alchemist Bortherhood Anime and the Fullmetal Alchemist Manga (also in the first adaptation, but it is not canon and our profiles are based on the canonical work) have few appearances of the truth, however in his few speeches he only mentions being the Universe (that's for what i remember)
The last time I saw FMAB was a long time ago. so I doesn't remember well. Truth in both the Fullmetal Alchemist Bortherhood Anime and the Fullmetal Alchemist Manga (also in the first adaptation, but it is not canon and our profiles are based on the canonical work) have few appearances of the truth, however in his few speeches he only mentions being the Universe (that's for what i remember)
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Only Universe? I remember it saying “Truth” and “All” as well.
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He does iirc
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I checked and that's what he says:
"im what you call world, or perhaps universe, or mayhap founder, or even truth, or all these things together or none of these, however I am also you"
at least in italian Dub, should be the same as a sub, though ye i know he said more than a word in his quotes. though i think here the most impressive in terms of Attack Potenct is "Universe", though even founder and truth means something, but it isn't in vsbw standards
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Are you using the Anime that has Truth with a surprise face or the Manga?
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only in the anime truth has a surprise face
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Yes, and I’m assuming “Italian dub” means Anime
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yes, though, i can check the manga tho
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In this case, does Truth cover the time? What exactly are we talking about everything
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apparently in our standards being reallity is enough for Low 2-C, Truth can keep his Low 2-C
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So what do we do with immortality?
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type 8 aswell, also i propose to adding Abstract Existence type 1 (truth is everything whithin the universe and the law of equivalent change) Higher-Dimensional Existence (he is the entire reallity, he exist beyond the gate of truth) information and memory manipulation (someone already proposed it above)
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Wouldn't Truth need to be proven to be time as well? Or else the best you can assume via "being the universe" is 3-A?
Also, as this thread reminded me, we should probably have a thread that differentiates regular omnipresence from "is the form of X, so you scale to X's tier". Not every omnipresent being scales to the totality of the tier of the object they represent, so it makes this a confusing case between why a universal omnipresent isn't Low 2-C or 3-A but any generic character that is the universe gets either of the latter tiers.
Also, as this thread reminded me, we should probably have a thread that differentiates regular omnipresence from "is the form of X, so you scale to X's tier". Not every omnipresent being scales to the totality of the tier of the object they represent, so it makes this a confusing case between why a universal omnipresent isn't Low 2-C or 3-A but any generic character that is the universe gets either of the latter tiers.
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being everything or reallity is apparently considered Low 2-C in our standards
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That don't sound right...
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Even if we say that Truth is time itself, shouldn't we just take it as a single point in time since the context is so inadequate? Since the truth is not all points of time... so 3-A should be taken instead of low 2-C
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that's why DB is getting upgraded (or at least getting the CRT)
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Truth never stated to not be past and future. just said to be everything, in reallity and universe
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"Everything" in this case doesn't need to be literally past, present and future. You can be everything within a single point in time or space.
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I agree with Kukui, there are insufficient arguments to prove that Truth is past, future and present.
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everything with reallity*
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I think Truth should be "3-A, possibly higher" based on what I have read here, but that is my two-cents, this is my first time dealing with something like this
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Possibly Higher dosen't give a whole other tier here..
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I still think this is needed btw^
If being x object grants you x tier, then we need to differentiate the standard from omnipresent who are just that, omnipresents, and don't get the same kind of tiering. Otherwise, it's a big grey area of confusion.
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well in fact, the reason why ''possible'' can be written is that the character may be the future, the past and the present, but because the evidence is insufficient, "possible higher" can be put.
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the possibly higher meant a higher into 3-A, it would be useless for say that would be Low 2-C if it had context
