Trinity Seven Revision : The Worlds Will Become Multiverse level+

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out, Bobsican.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Clearly we're yet to get any.

Personally, let's see...

Well, there's quite a good amount of unecessary information for cosmological purposes (fate is brought up a lot yet nothing is really done with it premise-wise here), generally a explanation page goes in-depth for stuff that's relevant for our purposes, anything else is generally better left for another wiki.

I also disagree on rating the Heavenly Realm as 5-D, you know that's Low 1-C right? Way more details are needed for that for our purposes, it's even claimed by the blog to be the center of the multiverse, "higher-D" statements are far from being sufficient as much as we no longer rate characters to tier 1 by merely being stated to be 5-D or whatever. Universal structures simply being more difficult to reach by other characters isn't unheard of and at best would just be usable for having above baseline 2-A range (by a single universe). Similarly I also disagree on rating the Akashic Record stuff as 6-D.

Beyond that, the reasonings on 2-A out of there being a universe, and then there being infinite "worlds" like it make sense, now how anyone scales to that is beyond me as the blog doesn't go into that really.

I am aware, but I am busy right now, I will do some correction with @EldemadeDityjon , he at least include all information

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I also disagree on rating the Heavenly Realm as 5-D, you know that's Low 1-C right? Way more details are needed for that for our purposes, it's even claimed by the blog to be the center of the multiverse, "higher-D" statements are far from being sufficient as much as we no longer rate characters to tier 1 by merely being stated to be 5-D or whatever. Universal structures simply being more difficult to reach by other characters isn't unheard of and at best would just be usable for having above baseline 2-A range (by a single universe). Similarly I also disagree on rating the Akashic Record stuff as 6-D.

The Heavenly Realm, also known as the Center of the Universes / Microcosmos, is a Realm that is the Higher Dimension Realm, the Heavenly Realm itself is said to be unrecognizable by the human brain and unreachable by the body.

Because humans or known as magus, can live in a world that is 4 Dimensions (3D Spatial and 1D Temporal), and to be in Heavenly only humans who transcend space and time (5D) can be there, this proves that Heaven Realm is 4 Spatial Dimensions and 1 Temporal Dimension.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The Heavenly Realm, also known as the Center of the Universes / Microcosmos, is a Realm that is the Higher Dimension Realm, the Heavenly Realm itself is said to be unrecognizable by the human brain and unreachable by the body.

Because humans or known as magus, can live in a world that is 4 Dimensions (3D Spatial and 1D Temporal), and to be in Heavenly only humans who transcend space and time (5D) can be there, this proves that Heaven Realm is 4 Spatial Dimensions and 1 Temporal Dimension.

I mean yeah it does make it 5D. but it lacks something that makes it qualify as something with qualitative superiority. at least for me. getting the Tier 1 rating or evaluating the 5D and 6D realm should be done in another thread though and be evaluated by people knowledgeable in Tier 1

 

[ImmortalDread]

Actually, we never argued for tier 1. Why 5D and 6D are included? But whatever, this still needs to be evaluated.

But the cosmology will be later changed by me and Elde since I need to change the sentences to a little more formal

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I mean yeah it does make it 5D. but it lacks something that makes it qualify as something with qualitative superiority. at least for me. getting the Tier 1 rating or evaluating the 5D and 6D realm should be done in another thread though and be evaluated by people knowledgeable in Tier 1

qualitative superior how?, it has been said that higher-dimensional realm such as the heavenly realm are inaccessible to lower-dimensional existences.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Clearly we're yet to get any.

Personally, let's see...

Well, there's quite a good amount of unecessary information for cosmological purposes (fate is brought up a lot yet nothing is really done with it premise-wise here), generally a explanation page goes in-depth for stuff that's relevant for our purposes, anything else is generally better left for another wiki.

I also disagree on rating the Heavenly Realm as 5-D, you know that's Low 1-C right? Way more details are needed for that for our purposes, it's even claimed by the blog to be the center of the multiverse, "higher-D" statements are far from being sufficient as much as we no longer rate characters to tier 1 by merely being stated to be 5-D or whatever. Universal structures simply being more difficult to reach by other characters isn't unheard of and at best would just be usable for having above baseline 2-A range (by a single universe). Similarly I also disagree on rating the Akashic Record stuff as 6-D.

Beyond that, the reasonings on 2-A out of there being a universe, and then there being infinite "worlds" like it make sense, now how anyone scales to that is beyond me as the blog doesn't go into that really.

I mean yeah it does make it 5D. but it lacks something that makes it qualify as something with qualitative superiority. at least for me. getting the Tier 1 rating or evaluating the 5D and 6D realm should be done in another thread though and be evaluated by people knowledgeable in Tier 1

It's not really center of universe. It's at the top of multiverse. People call it center of universe because of people ruling the multiverse itself.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I also disagree on rating the Heavenly Realm as 5-D, you know that's Low 1-C right? Way more details are needed for that for our purposes, it's even claimed by the blog to be the center of the multiverse, "higher-D" statements are far from being sufficient as much as we no longer rate characters to tier 1 by merely being stated to be 5-D or whatever. Universal structures simply being more difficult to reach by other characters isn't unheard of and at best would just be usable for having above baseline 2-A range (by a single universe). Similarly I also disagree on rating the Akashic Record stuff as 6-D.

Gods has shown enough superiority over the lower Dimensional multiverse. You can clearly see them being able absorb the world's as food. Anyway I am kinda busy. I may not reply back anytime soon this is all i can help.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

It's not really center of universe. It's at the top of multiverse. People call it center of universe because of people ruling the multiverse itself.

This is Official Translated.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is Official Translated.

It still states it is at the peak of the tree though

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

It still states it is at the peak of the tree though

Yes, but Heavenly Realm are Center of Universes and Dimensions

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yes, but Heavenly Realm are Center of Universes and Dimensions

Bruh it is center of the universes because it is at the top of the tree. It's not really talking about it being in the center.

 

[Bobsican]

Gods has shown enough superiority over the lower Dimensional multiverse. You can clearly see them being able absorb the world's as food. Anyway I am kinda busy. I may not reply back anytime soon this is all i can help.

...That "world" is clearly a planet, you can even see America on the surface.

It's clear they don't see "lower stuff" in a manner that'd qualify to tier 1 for our purposes.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Bruh it is center of the universes because it is at the top of the tree. It's not really talking about it being in the center.

the tower in the Heavenly Realm is Yggdrasil

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

...That "world" is clearly a planet, you can even see America on the surface.

It's clear they don't see "lower stuff" in a manner that'd qualify to tier 1 for our purposes.

Those who have gotten the Universe rating, you now want to downgrade to Planet rating?

That's really funny.

World is Universe (Low 2C), because world has a timeline

 

[Bobsican]

Man, if this is what they mean by "world" in context then they may indeed require a downgrade.

Planets inherently have a timeline as much as anything that's bound to time does, so that doesn't change anything.

Anyone that can affect infinite worlds (planets) would still qualify for High 3-A or so, however.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Man, if this is what they mean by "world" in context then they may indeed require a downgrade.

Planets inherently have a timeline as much as anything that's bound to time does, so that doesn't change anything.

Anyone that can affect infinite worlds (planets) would still qualify for High 3-A or so, however.

then?, Tensura and Maou gakuin become to Planet level

because they use a "World"

 

[Bobsican]

The term used for "World" in Japanese (Sekai) can mean either society, planet or universe, and going by the context it's clear it's meant to be planets here, Japanese is a quite context-reliant language, so while it isn't by default any of its meanings per say, you'd need stuff to claim it intents to mean universe. Tensura and Maou have gone quite explicit on those areas, unlike here as far i can see.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

sorry, the World in Trinity Seven is also said to be a Space-Time

 

[Bobsican]

Uh... citation?

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Master Liber that the Time Space left by Liese experienced a Collapsed Future

 

[Bobsican]

Please don't do multiple posts consecutively, just edit your latest post if you have anything to add.

Anyways...

Maou relies on tiering semantics that are basically irrelevant here, while Tensura has direct universe threatening statements, Japanese also has a proper term to directly say "universe" with no vagueness, but naturally it isn't used as often even if it may be appropiate as much as in normal English speaking "world" is a more common term than "universe".

Oh, I haven't read the OP, was I meant to read it too? That kinda defeats the point of an explanation blog, but here we are...

Eh, it seems "world" has different meanings in different contexts (I did already said before that JP is very context-specific), while i can still agree on the 2-A cosmology, the claim that gods see universes as insignificant still falls apart as in that case it's clearly regarding planets.

Edit: After seeing the reasoning they scale to it, I think they'd just be 2-B, as they only threaten "countless" space-times, but never the entirety of it as far i can see.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

The world in Trinity Seven is said to be Space-Time, but it is also said to be the Universe.

As what is shown here, that Collapse Future is already a different universe from the previous Liese.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

countless

Infinite, you don't read thread and blog very well.

 

[Bobsican]

Again, the usage of a term depends on context, a mention of "world" clearly relating to universe doesn't mean that any usage of the term whatsoever also means "universe".

Also please remove the seemingly pornographic image, it's against Fandom's rules.

Infinite, you don't read thread and blog very well.

Uh...

Also, in the Trinity Seven Series: Liese Chrononicle Chapter 13, the Element Demon Lord can destroy Countless Space-Times.

The countless Space-Times here are the Space-Times created by Arata before.

A few panels later, coinciding in Trinity Seven: Liese Chrononicle Chapter 13, it is shown that there are still Space-Times left, even though at that time the Element Demon Lord had destroyed Countless Space Times, and it is also told that the Space-Times in Trinity Seven are infinite, this further proves that the Space-Times created by Arata are infinite.

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As for this, while this'd be usable for 2-A range at the very least and all, uh... I have to ask how this'd even scale to physical stats, Creation Feats standards and all.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Again, the usage of a term depends on context, a mention of "world" clearly relating to universe doesn't mean that any usage of the term whatsoever also means "universe".

Bro, I have explained that the context of the world here is the Universe, and even the world is said to be Space-Time (4 Dimensions).
You are nitpicking too much.

Also please remove the seemingly pornographic image, it's against Fandom's rules.

If that's the case, I can't give you the scene, because this is an ecchi manga.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

...That "world" is clearly a planet, you can even see America on the surface.

It's clear they don't see "lower stuff" in a manner that'd qualify to tier 1 for our purposes.

Nah. Goodnesses stated to be higher dimensional Concepts and also Goddess existence itself stated to be collapse the multiverse. ( The tree) i don't see how that make sense.

Those who have gotten the Universe rating, you now want to downgrade to Planet rating?

That's really funny.

World is Universe (Low 2C), because world has a timeline

This is not how you argue. LMAO

then?, Tensura and Maou gakuin become to Planet level

because they use a "World"

Don't bring Maoh Gakuin into this if you haven't read the cosmology page.

As for this, while this'd be usable for 2-A range at the very least and all, uh... I have to ask how this'd even scale to physical stats, Creation Feats standards and all.

More like destruction feat.

 

[The_Emperor4th]

Oh no, not this again

Let's not go back to the old days where all characters were given a tier 5 rating due to the word of "world".

Sure, in Japanese words, the word "World (Sekai)" has many meanings, it could be the earth, other planets or the universe. But as long as there is additional explanation and evidence, it can be a universe. Here it is already clear that the world there does refer to a universe that is space time (4D) and once told there is a timeline (past, present, future).

Which as already meets Low 2-C criteria based on Tiering system.

But the scene in the manga shows visually that it is a planet, so it must refer to a planet!!!.

Oh dear, even in real life we still don't know the exact look and shape of our universe, it's just a visual drawn by every artist. There are already many statements and support where "World" refers to the Universe or more precisely a space time (4D). Are we going to ignore it just like that?

I also remember that DC also once used the same planet visual to explain the existence of their universe that exist in its cosmology.

 

[Bobsican]

I've edited my previous post BTW.

Bro, I have explained that the context of the world here is the Universe, and even the world is said to be Space-Time (4 Dimensions).
You are nitpicking too much.

If that's the case, I can't give you the scene, because this is an ecchi manga.

Context matters and all, you can have planets and universes be a plot point in a single series at the same time, you'd need stuff to claim that in that context when talking over gods consuming, even as I quote, "the "worlds" where people live", we then even have in the same page statements relating such consumption to their society, and oh, "Sekai" also has within its possible meanings a society, it's clear that "universe" isn't the intent of the term in this context, especially when the visuals clearly show an Earth being consumed as said before.

Edit: Check the last part of this post.

Well, you can always just crop/censor the image.

Nah. Goodnesses stated to be higher dimensional Concepts and also Goddess existence itself stated to be collapse the multiverse. ( The tree) i don't see how that make sense.

See above, many series use dimensional terminology differently than what we do and we don't just rate them as tier 1, are we going to rate Popeye as tier 1 out of this? Of course not

More like destruction feat.

Well, the current destruction feat/potential I find on the OP is just 2-B as it didn't threaten the entirety of the cosmology.

Oh no, not this again

Let's not go back to the old days where all characters were given a tier 5 rating due to the word of "world".

Meh, this is more so arguing against gods being tier 1 or whatever, the argument still falls apart for other reasons, but I wanted to sort my current perception of the matter as well.

Sure, in Japanese words, the word "World (Sekai)" has many meanings, it could be the earth, other planets or the universe. But as long as there is additional explanation and evidence, it can be a universe. Here it is already clear that the world there does refer to a universe that is space time (4D) and once told there is a timeline (past, present, future).

Which as already meets Low 2-C criteria based on Tiering system.

But the scene in the manga shows visually that it is a planet, so it must refer to a planet!!!.

Oh dear, even in real life we still don't know the exact look and shape of our universe, it's just a visual drawn by every artist. There are already many statements and support where "World" refers to the Universe or more precisely a space time (4D). Are we going to ignore it just like that?

I also remember that DC also once used the same planet visual to explain the existence of their universe that exist in its cosmology.

Well, we do know it's far bigger than a planet, the observable universe is generally a good way to portray it, but anyways, we aren't an authority to how authors should portray stuff as you've said. Either way, claims that gods see universes in a manner that'd qualify for tier 1 is a big no as then they're clearly on the same existencial level as the universes they're consuming to begin with, so they'd just be physically 4-D (for our purposes) at most., anything else is just too vague, and tier 1 is a rather strict tier to qualify in the first place.

 

[The_Emperor4th]

we aren't an authority to how authors should portray stuff as you've said.

Yeah, we don't do that, but we also take into account every evidence, statement and other feats to support a claim, not just looking at what is visualized.

It's like saying that the word "World(Sekai)" and the visual of the “planet” will only get a tier 5 rating, even though there are many feats and additional proof that it is said to be a universe.

 

[The_Emperor4th]

Also @Bobsican , I suggest that you should look and focus on infinite space time stuff, instead of God and Heavenly (Tier 1).

The purpose of this thread in the beginning is to give a tier 2 rating to some characters.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, tell that to @Rendynoc0unter , not me, all I'm doing is responding to what I'm provided with.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Well, tell that to @Rendynoc0unter , not me, all I'm doing is responding to what I'm provided with.

Say what?

This thread was originally to give tier 2 to some characters, but someone told us to make a cosmology page to explain this cosmology verse.

Well, we do know it's far bigger than a planet, the observable universe is generally a good way to portray it, but anyways, we aren't an authority to how authors should portray stuff as you've said. Either way, claims that gods see universes in a manner that'd qualify for tier 1 is a big no as then they're clearly on the same existencial level as the universes they're consuming to begin with, so they'd just be physically 4-D (for our purposes) at most., anything else is just too vague, and tier 1 is a rather strict tier to qualify in the first place.

Gods are Super Higher Dimensional beings, even Aryans who are one of the Gods are said to Transcend Time and Dimensions, and with their awakening, all dimensions, space-time, worlds, will become one with them.

This already shows the qualitative superiority that exists in the term tiering system. Which makes Gods get a Low 1-C rating.

A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is qualitatively superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

for the world, it has been shown that the context there is the universe, as it has been clearly told

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

while Tensura has direct universe threatening statements, Japanese also has a proper term to directly say "universe" with no vagueness

Which one?

 

[The_Emperor4th]

This thread was originally to give tier 2 to some characters, but someone told us to make a cosmology page to explain this cosmology verse

I don't remember that we should do a full cosmology explanation (including Gods and Heavenly). No?

All I remember is getting explanations especially at higher 2-A part which is in the Liese side story, or if you want to go a bit further in the chapter, that is to get to Arc Dante Gate only.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I don't remember that we should do a full cosmology explanation (including Gods and Heavenly). No?

it's just an addition

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out, Bobsican.

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Thank you for helping out, Bobsican.

What are the conclusions here so far?

not yet available

 

[The_Emperor4th]

Gods and Heavenly can be done again in another thread with a new argument. As for now, only 2-A for this thread.

After seeing the reasoning they scale to it, I think they'd just be 2-B, as they only threaten "countless" space-times, but never the entirety of it as far i can see.

Just to clarify that the countless space time is actually refers to the destruction of capacity from Demon Lord Factors and Chronos Trinity, not the entirely universes (Infinite Space times).

Thats why for those who have Demon Lord Factors will rated as 2-B.