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Transformers General Discussion

MadeByZiggy said:
why?
if they're stated to be one continuity
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Spoken as someone who has no idea.

Why would Starscream not know what the devil Dark Energon is at the beginning of Prime when he GUARDED IT FOR CENTURIES?

Same goes to Megatron, who states he has good memory!

There's more, but yeah, WFC and Prime have too many contradictions to be canon to eachother. Let alone everything Rise of the Dark Spark(Which IIRC is canon to WFC)
 
DaReaperMan said:
Spoken as someone who has no idea.

Why would Starscream not know what the devil Dark Energon is at the beginning of Prime when he GUARDED IT FOR CENTURIES?

Same goes to Megatron, who states he has good memory!

There's more, but yeah, WFC and Prime have too many contradictions to be canon to eachother. Let alone everything Rise of the Dark Spark(Which IIRC is canon to WFC)
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true it is because i don't have a single clue hence why i'm asking.
thanks for answering.
 
Rise of the Dark Spark is in a weird position, because it does have some notable continuity issues. As the TFWiki lists:
  • Despite the game's script clearly positioning it before the events of Fall of Cybertron, and the main menu background depicting him in his War for Cybertron body, Megatron is depicted in the new body he acquired only part-way through that game.
  • Ironhide and Sideswipe encounter an Insecticon Bruiser, despite Fall of Cybertron having established them as a creation of Shockwave.
  • The remains of Trypticon are apparently in Decepticon hands, unlike in Fall of Cybertron, where his remains are in Autobot hands.
  • Trypticon looks really different than from his War for Cybertron appearance. His head looks more dinosaur-like and his color scheme is completely different.
  • Apparently, Jetfire and Perceptor take ALL of the Energon remaining in Trypticon, along with the other amount Starscream needed for something, despite the BIG fact that the AUTOBOTS were USING Trypticon for the ARK, which would get them OFF of Cybertron in Fall of Cybertron.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
Rise of the Dark Spark is in a weird position, because it does have some notable continuity issues. As the TFWiki lists:
  • Despite the game's script clearly positioning it before the events of Fall of Cybertron, and the main menu background depicting him in his War for Cybertron body, Megatron is depicted in the new body he acquired only part-way through that game.
  • Ironhide and Sideswipe encounter an Insecticon Bruiser, despite Fall of Cybertron having established them as a creation of Shockwave.
  • The remains of Trypticon are apparently in Decepticon hands, unlike in Fall of Cybertron, where his remains are in Autobot hands.
  • Trypticon looks really different than from his War for Cybertron appearance. His head looks more dinosaur-like and his color scheme is completely different.
  • Apparently, Jetfire and Perceptor take ALL of the Energon remaining in Trypticon, along with the other amount Starscream needed for something, despite the BIG fact that the AUTOBOTS were USING Trypticon for the ARK, which would get them OFF of Cybertron in Fall of Cybertron.
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Transformers and their love for not being consistent is beautiful
 
Just got a translation, does this mean anything? Here's some info on Planet X

(Puranetto X no shōtai wa, jashin Yunikuron no supāku ga Masutā Megatoron ni yotte kyūshū sa reta nochi, so no nokosa reta nikutai no saisei kinō ga betsu uchū ni oite bōsō shita mono dearu.) =The true form of Planet X is of the Evil God Unicron's Spark which was absorbed by Master Megatron, and the regenerative function of its remains went haywire in a separate/alternate universe.
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SpookyGunShip said:
I’m thinking it’s the x dimension because it’s described as a universe of fire. I’m never seen a 2nd fire dimension.
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That's not enough proof '-'. Besides, if it was the same dimension, TF wiki would've probably indexed it in the same page

Edit: Also, if you read those pages it is pretty clear those are not the same '-'
 
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SpookyGunShip said:
Usually when someone absorbs something (like starscream absorbing Primus's spark/the omegalock and megatron becoming Galvatron) they gain a huge boost in stats.
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But there is no guideline to it, if there is no extra feat or statement about their power, it would just be "higher" in the profile
 
Drite77 said:
Alright, let me be real with you, if there is no active discussion about a topic, and there is no profile of said topic, chances are, people don't know about it. It won't really matter a lot of if you go here and ask about the tiers of Galaxy Force, because people will not know
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Got it.
 
Completely Off-topic: I think some of ya know there is a TTRPG that Habro released for Transformers... I can't put into words how much the system sucks '-'. If anyone ever wanted to do a Transformers TTRPG with friends, I would recommend Mutants and Masterminds, maybe it requires some modifications on some stuff, but it is so much better then what Hasbro pulled out, seriously, I could write a 20 page article explaining how bad that system and book is '-'
 
Honestly thankfully I just skipped it lmfao.

Can't believe the only decent Transformers game we've got recently is the goddamn Minecraft crossover.

I don't understand why Hasbro keeps on making these weird half assed TF games instead of focusing into a big proper project.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Honestly thankfully I just skipped it lmfao.

Can't believe the only decent Transformers game we've got recently is the goddamn Minecraft crossover.

I don't understand why Hasbro keeps on making these weird half assed TF games instead of focusing into a big proper project.
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I wondered that myself, then DMUA kinda that give a quick answer that I think makes sense: Transformers as a brand is not bad, the name itself sells, so they don't need to pull effort into a TTRPG because people will buy it because it is related to Transformers, other, indepedent systems, such as Mutants and Masterminds and the mecha TTRPG Lancer, don't have a brand, they need to do good or they'll die, which honestly kinda sucks
 
I suppose it makes sense, but it just sucks the last proper TF game we got was nearly a decade ago. I don't think it would hurt Hasbro to create something more ambitious.

And honestly, I've kinda given up hope on Reactivate by this point 😭
 
I'm almost done watching Transformers Armada, here's some stuff I compiled (will update with scans and references overtime, it's very much incomplete right now):
Feats
Hydra Cannon/The 3 Weapons Scaling Chain
Some abilities
  • Energy Manipulation/Energy Projection (Characters shoot lasers and some weapons can manifest the energy).
  • Space Survival (Everyone can survive in space and on the moon).
  • Fusionism & Statistics Amplification (Fusing with Mini-Cons can greatly amplify the stats of the characters. Optimus can also fuse with Jetfire).
  • Resistance to Temperature Manipulation (Cold: Nearly all of the characters have shown having no issue with being in cold areas).
  • Resistance to Heat Generation (Characeters like Hot Shot can withstand being in fire).
  • Limited Teleportation via Warp Gate (All Decepticons can use the Warp Gate at will, though they can only teleport back to the Decepticon space-ship).
  • Accelerated Development Starscream (Galvatron noted that Starscream got seemingly much stronger out of nowhere)
I don't plan on checking out stuff beyond Armada in the Unicron Trilogy, cause I don't have the time for more right now, nor does it interest me.
 
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Ednaxel2 said:
I'm almost done watching Transformers Armada, here's some stuff I compiled (will update with scans and references overtime, it's very much incomplete right now):
Feats
  • Hot Shot and Side Swipe survive this enormous explosion, being quite near the center.
  • Starscream does major damage to a forest.
  • Starscream dodges Sideway's laser, though there doesn't seem to be anything supporting these lasers being SoL so oof.
  • Tidal Wave and Starscream travel from the moon to Earth in a few minutes (Happens for a good chunk of Episode 34 "Regeneration").
  • Starscream (End of Series) can launch an energy beam that nearly reaches Unicron (who is a moon in this universe) from Cybertron (Planetary Range).
Hydra Cannon/The 3 Weapons Scaling Chain
  • Hydra Cannon destroyed a comet, causing a light that reaches both the Earth and Moon. It was also stated by many characters to destroy the Earth, though Red Alert assesses it'll only destroy 1/3rd of it.
  • Using the Matrix of Leadership, Optimus can completely overpower the Hydra Cannon. It killed him but the Matrix was untouched.
  • The source of power for the blast is the Star Saber, Skyboom Shield, and Requiem Blaster, making them each around 1/3rd the power of the Hydra Cannon.
  • Optimus Prime (Normal Mode) and Wheeljack are able to withstand the Star Saber, even though they are inferior meaning they downscale.
  • End of Series Starscream (with his wing-blade) can clash with Galvatron (with the Star Saber) and seemed to actually be overwhelming him. Galvatron noted that Starscream got seemingly much stronger out of nowhere, which is supported by the fact that early on in the series Starscream lost to a hand-to-hand fight against Megatron (Accelerated Development too ig).
Some abilities
  • Energy Manipulation/Energy Projection (Characters shoot lasers and some weapons can manifest the energy).
  • Space Survival (Everyone can survive in space and on the moon).
  • Fusionism & Statistics Amplification (Fusing with Mini-Cons can greatly amplify the stats of the characters. Optimus can also fuse with Jetfire).
  • Resistance to Temperature Manipulation (Cold: Nearly all of the characters have shown having no issue with being in cold areas).
  • Resistance to Heat Generation (Characeters like Hot Shot can withstand being in fire).
  • Limited Teleportation via Warp Gate (All Decepticons can use the Warp Gate at will, though they can only teleport back to the Decepticon space-ship).
  • Ghosts? (When I was checking the wiki I found out Starscream comes back as a ghost or smth? weird but ok).
I don't plan on checking out stuff beyond Armada in the Unicron Trilogy, cause I don't have the time for more right now, nor does it interest me.
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Where are the links
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I'm almost done watching Transformers Armada, here's some stuff I compiled (will update with scans and references overtime, it's very much incomplete right now):
Feats
Hydra Cannon/The 3 Weapons Scaling Chain
Some abilities
  • Energy Manipulation/Energy Projection (Characters shoot lasers and some weapons can manifest the energy).
  • Space Survival (Everyone can survive in space and on the moon).
  • Fusionism & Statistics Amplification (Fusing with Mini-Cons can greatly amplify the stats of the characters. Optimus can also fuse with Jetfire).
  • Resistance to Temperature Manipulation (Cold: Nearly all of the characters have shown having no issue with being in cold areas).
  • Resistance to Heat Generation (Characeters like Hot Shot can withstand being in fire).
  • Limited Teleportation via Warp Gate (All Decepticons can use the Warp Gate at will, though they can only teleport back to the Decepticon space-ship).
  • Accelerated Development Starscream (Galvatron noted that Starscream got seemingly much stronger out of nowhere)
I don't plan on checking out stuff beyond Armada in the Unicron Trilogy, cause I don't have the time for more right now, nor does it interest me.
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About the Star Saber stuff, it just seems to be LS rather then actually scaling to it (Specially on Optimus' case)
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The explosion look to be decent Tier 7 ish.

Also make sure to add references to your feats.
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I'll be adding episode numbers to each link as I go on

Is it fine to separate the two shows after Armada? (That being TF Energon & Cybertron). They have many more additional transformations and weapons, and it's 10 years after the main show so characters can be stronger stats wise too
Drite77 said:
About the Star Saber stuff, it just seems to be LS rather then actually scaling to it (Specially on Optimus' case)
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Sure, the same case can be for Wheeljack. Characters get oneshot by the Requiem Blaster which is also one of the three weapons
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Is it fine to separate the two shows after Armada? (That being TF Energon & Cybertron). They have many more additional transformations and weapons, and it's 10 years after the main show so characters can be stronger stats wise too
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Depends ig. Energon could just be another key. Whether or not we should add Cybertron to the mix is.... debatable.
 
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