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Transformers General Discussion
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Ikr? I also did one with NTF and got 200 megatons
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oh wait, it was 13 Gigatons
Edit: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Transformers_IDW_Bomb_feat
Edit: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Transformers_IDW_Bomb_feat
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Now that I am home I am bit iffy on tier 7, specially for US, I'll go towards them
Shockwave can caporize the people in the stadium: I don't know if you mean the whole stadium or just the people, but either way, it was never stated Shockwave could do it in one shot, just that the people he hit would be doomed
Nothing short of nuclear can hurt Metroplex: Well... I sure hope so, almost sure Metroplex is tier 7 via sheer size '-'
Onslaught's Firepower is 3 kilotons: I think it only refers to when he is in vehicle mode, but even if it wasn't, the weapon itself, a missile that separates into 3 mini missiles, was never used in the comics
Rumble: Seems to be the only one with a clear tier 7 feat, but I wonder if it is even combat applicable
A lot of the other stuff is from the UK which, once again, also has the statement that Snarl was unharmed by weapons capable of leveling a Small Town and also has Swoop surviving a Thermo-Nuclear bomb that was said to be very high in density (Although he was quite far). But outside of Swoop, the other stuff are statements, and I don't know if the peeps here in the wiki would take those statements as 1 to 1 (Small Town being Low 7-C, Small City being Low 7-B, etc)
Also within the UK is a Bomb that was said to be 1.5 Megatons (Low 7-B) and it absolutely wrecked the bots caught within its explosion
I don't know, feels weird that the "main" tier 7 statement is from something that was never used, while the others are statements that say the name of the tiers instead of a number. Megatron's fusion cannon even one shotted Predaking. It is more plausible for the UK, but once again, they have more statements of the name of tiers instead of actual feats.
Just posting some food for thought '-'
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This is using a nuclear method iirc, the Iguanus thing is probably a more standard explosion so it'd likely be lower.
Bumblebee straight up says in one shot, and considering the stadium is filled with people, that would have to mean he'd be covering taht entire area.
I feel there's probably some example of Onslaught attacking someone in his vehicle mode?
It should be considering he can definitely survive the recoil of his own attacks.
Considering the standards differ a bit from stuff like the 7-A, I think they're generally fine unless they have further context to suggest otherwise?
Ya got the source for this?
Also funny thing, Ravage has 1 Megaton Proton bombs lmfao. Between, Rumble's earthquakes, Ravage's bombs and Buzzsaw one shotting Omega, why do the cassettes have all the good shit lmao
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Idk how to do the thing you did so I am just gonna do it normally '-'
"More standard explosion" I mean, Air-blast is normally considerably bigger then NTF so in any case it would still be... bigger '-'
"Bumblebee says in one shot", Once again I don't know if it would be all people... and even if it is all people, it would just be 5.7 Tons since it is just the people and not the whole stadium... might put it in a quick blog since it is another tier 8 feat '-'
"Onslaught". I checked every appareance of Onslaught, he only uses his gun to shoot and never shoots in vehicle mode or uses his mounted cannons
"Source for 1.5 Megatons" Here~ (If you want to skip all the dialogue, in the second image you can see Transformers getting wrecked and in the last image it says it was 1.5 Megatons)
"Ravage" To be fair, the profile states he only has two... but it is indeed weird the Casetes have all of that '-'
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Any spoiler discussion for the Transformers One movie can now go in this thread.
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I'll be sure to watch this movie on Friday when I have enough time
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Nah, in the Marvel comics he's 698 feet (according to the UK booklet), skyscraper sized basically.
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I was almost sure the 8 and 6 were reversed kek. But even then, an human about that size is already 8-B, I would think Metroplex, being likely much heavier then humans, would sit at tier 7... hopefully at least '-'
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I have a Megatron (Galaxy force) profile completed. It just needs to be reviewed.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SpookyGunShip/Galaxy_force_megatron
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SpookyGunShip/Galaxy_force_megatron
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I gotta be honest, that profile doesn't look good '-'
First of all, every video linked is linked to the start of the video and not to the feat in specific, nobody is gonna sit for 10 minutes to see where the feat/statement is
Second of all: It assumes that the Rhisiling is the multiversal one/a Low 2-C version and not a random Rhisiling from a random Vector Prime avatar. I am not saying it isn't possible, I've never watched Cybertron/Galaxy Force, but I think you need to prove that, not every thing should scale to their Multiversal Singularity ones otherwise a lot of things would get inflated (And there is a difference between the Multiversal and normal artifacts AFAIK)
Third of all: Megatron's 1-B rating prob does not explains it at all. A black hole replicating itself across multivel realities is not 1-B, and even if you want to argue it consumed the entire Multiverse, Transformers' Multiverse is Low 1-C if I recall
Fourth of all: On top of the 3rd point, you point it to Primus' profile who doesn't even have a 1-B rating!
Fifit of all: The speed rating makes no sense. The MFTL+ links to the speed rating, the Speed Bomber link links to another video that starts from the beginning and is 24 minutes long. What is the actual explanation for the MFTL+ rating? Why is Speed Bomber MFTL+?
Sixth of all: Range is listed as a type 6, doesn't make sense
Seventh of all: Intelligence rating doesn't make sense
Eight of all: I'll add that Inorganic Physiology is weird in Transformers since they can contract diseases and there are likely poisons that can affect them, so I think a more in depth explanation is necessary
Nineth of all: Supernatural Willpower by holding a dimension from collapsing sounds wrong '-'
Tenth of all: The Booklets are barely readable
Tapkmiz
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I'm a bit late to this, but Optimus and Ultra Magnus survive Megatron blowing up (i.e
turning into energy) his ion blaster with his antimatter powers. I'll look for the scan; it was one of the two times he uses that ability at all.
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Issue 104 of TF UK
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I updated the blog.
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I'll be honest fan, I still don't know if Vector Prime there was the Multivesal Vector Prime, if that truly is Multiversal VP, that means that everyone in Galaxy Force is 1-A and Immesurable in or within those ratings, which, to say the least, is not the case. Galvatron's feat of holding a dimension together is interesting but I don't know if it would be Low 2-C
That INT rating is also so weird lol. If VP is Nigh-Omniscience from the get go of Galaxy Force, he wouldn't be tricked by Megatron at all, in fact, he was completely unaware of the conflict between the Autobots and Decepticons, which is a thing that is on almost every single universal stream so the version that is in Galaxy Force is clealy does not have that INT rating
I read more about the whole stick, I guess Galvatron might be 1-A cause that Black hole was later retconned to be the Unicron Singularity and all of that, but I don't think a tier 1 profile should just puff in existence, I think more people who have watched Galaxy Force should have a saying on it... also he might not even be 1-A because, from reading it, the Unicron Singularity would be something along the lines of "Eventually tier 1" or something like that as, apparently, Galvatron was going to use the Black Hole to destroy that universe. Once again, not only have I not watched Galaxy Force/Cybertron I also don't know/have no interest in Tier 1 stuff.
TLDR: More people knowledgeable on TF's cosmology should have a saying and I don't think Megs' profile should be launched until there is more confirmation from other more knowledgeable peeps that he is 1-A cause that's a big deal
Tapkmiz
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I'm sorry for replying to days old posts again, but yeah I've been reading them.
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I don't think Optimus should have resistance to heat manip, at least not to the extent that surviving reentry implies,
since he very clearly wasn't going to survive it in the latest issue.
As far as speed feats go there's also Arcee intercepting an RPG shot in issue 8 but I don't think that would get higher than subsonic, but fwiw it's entirely a movement speed feat.
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I'll calc Arcee's feat when I get home, you would be surprised by how fast rockets are IRL
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Not really by much, considering Devastator can survive several hits from it, and Optimus can also manhandle Devastator with ease. It's pretty clear Optimus and the fusion cannon are relative.
It was made before issue 12, I'll update it later.
They have a much better speed feat anyway in the upcoming issue 13, where Starscream and Jetfire fly to Cybertron's moon in presumably a few minutes.
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Neat, but either way, not everyone has jet modes, and that would scale to their robot modes' running speeds so it is worth consideration.
Still on the topic, would Jetfire's and Starscream feat apply to their reaction speed? I just have a general feeling thise normally don't apply to reaction speeds
Tapkmiz
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I was thinking with how easily it chewed through Reflector (and later that same issue how much it wounded Starscream) that it'd be at least higher, but fair enough
mb lol
I think it's still probably worth doing, mainly because as I said it's movement speed for the non fliers
EDIT: ninja'd
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My bad
I think it does, considering they do fight and react in their jet modes. Plus, I don't think this would fall under an interstellar feat like Jetfire did from Void Rivals #1. Have you read that comic?
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Frenzy '-'
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No mention of Frenzy
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I kind of like how they compress the Cybertronian War to a few centuries in that universe. It's a bit too short, but a war/civilization being almost completely stagnant across millions and millions of years in the other series never made sense to me (with the exception of TFA).
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Nah, it is millions of years
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Yeah, which is why I was confused when I read this:
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It might not've been a blunder, the 200 years might've been DWJ's original intention but either Kirkman or Hasbro themselves asked to be changed... Or that was his original intention and Optimus just doesn't know how long he has been ceashed landed
Either way, it still means Beachcomber was on the moon many years without going crazy, props to him
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I think it's only 200 years from Optimus' perspective. Like he probably doesn't know how long he slept.
So Optimus has only been in the war for 200 years, but afterwards, it went on for the next four million years.
So Optimus has only been in the war for 200 years, but afterwards, it went on for the next four million years.
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Pretty insane stamina feat ngl, even if Beachcomber did jackshit for four million years straight.
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While I am still at it, take a look at Fish-Eye Hot shot from the comics, it happened so consistent that I wondered if that was in his design sheet
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There is a lot of universe level stuff for Cybertron/Galaxy Force that should scale to Optimus/Megatron and the other Key Leaders, but it is very much an avatar of Vector Prime in that show. There is not really a way to scale anybody to Vector's best showings/lore based on the show and its tie in information.
I don't agree in general with scaling the Unicron Singularity to anyone but Primus who closed it. The Singularity is extremely convoluted and difficult to scale linearly because it manifests both inside universes/timelines while also acting outside of them. Thus from the perspective in one universe, you witness it slowly suck in planets and destroy the universe, even though it is also destroying time outside of this and affecting the multiverse as a whole.
Despite Vector saying in the show the Singularity will destroy all universes, Galvatron only ever says specifically he is going to use the Omega Lock to survive the destruction of their universe and create a new one. That is pretty solid grounds for not scaling him or any of the other main cast to the black hole. Primus was also running on fumes up until the very end of the show and it isn't "True Primus" regardless who has never appeared since the 80s and exactly one panel of a Regeneration One flashback, so no justification for Primus-scaling either.
I am honestly quite happy that Cybertron is as strong as it is though, it's a fantastic show with a cosmic scope I miss. It's the strongest cartoon continuity by a fair margin and it deserves that spot.
I don't agree in general with scaling the Unicron Singularity to anyone but Primus who closed it. The Singularity is extremely convoluted and difficult to scale linearly because it manifests both inside universes/timelines while also acting outside of them. Thus from the perspective in one universe, you witness it slowly suck in planets and destroy the universe, even though it is also destroying time outside of this and affecting the multiverse as a whole.
Despite Vector saying in the show the Singularity will destroy all universes, Galvatron only ever says specifically he is going to use the Omega Lock to survive the destruction of their universe and create a new one. That is pretty solid grounds for not scaling him or any of the other main cast to the black hole. Primus was also running on fumes up until the very end of the show and it isn't "True Primus" regardless who has never appeared since the 80s and exactly one panel of a Regeneration One flashback, so no justification for Primus-scaling either.
I am honestly quite happy that Cybertron is as strong as it is though, it's a fantastic show with a cosmic scope I miss. It's the strongest cartoon continuity by a fair margin and it deserves that spot.
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