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They would still have immunity to those concepts, but not an immunity to concept transfer ( which is kind of a rare ability to begin with)That was my original idea of ND vs TD
Bruh... it is like my idea for split the immunity to 2 partSo, if I understand, do you basically agree with that?
dt isnt gonna comment here, might as well get ultima or get this quickly resolvedYeah that's just, straight up wrong. Being able to have your immunity removed does not mean you should not be given an immunity. This was outright rejected in another thread. If a character lacks a thing, as nondual characters do, then they are immune to the manipulation of that thing - It does not need to be any more complicated than that.
I've already explained that the absence of something doesn't always make you immune to them in that battle. If you are independent of a binary system, you cannot get non-duality anyway, because the same standards apply to BDE. But if you lack a binary system, those concepts can be transferred to you by another force or created within you, in which case you are no longer immune.Yeah that's just, straight up wrong. Being able to have your immunity removed does not mean you should not be given an immunity. This was outright rejected in another thread. If a character lacks a thing, as nondual characters do, then they are immune to the manipulation of that thing - It does not need to be any more complicated than that.
An external force removing your immunity does not mean you never had that immunity in the first place, thoughBut if you lack a binary system, those concepts can be transferred to you by another force or created within you, in which case you are no longer immune.
There are many examples of this in fiction. Also Qawsedf seems to agree with me on this, but it would be best to ask him.
But it does not mean that you are completely immune to it. That's why "we don't give immunity or BDE to characters who are outside of space-time" because they can still be affected by that level. Just because he's outside that system doesn't mean he's inherently immune to it.An external force removing your immunity does not mean you never had that immunity in the first place, though
So are characters without souls no longer immune to soul manipulation, because they can have souls bestowed on them? Think about what this logic entails for literally anything outside of transduality, please. Hell, you haven't even given a real example of this "weakness"; It's just speculation.I've already explained that the absence of something doesn't always make you immune to them in that battle. If you are independent of a binary system, you cannot get non-duality anyway, because the same standards apply to BDE. But if you lack a binary system, those concepts can be transferred to you by another force or created within you, in which case you are no longer immune.
There are many examples of this in fiction. Also Qawsedf seems to agree with me on this, but it would be best to ask him.
Also like. do yall even have staff permission to keep commenting here lol
One example i can think off the top of my head is the black barrel from the nasuverse, it introduces the concept of death to beings shot by itSo are characters without souls no longer immune to soul manipulation, because they can have souls bestowed on them? Think about what this logic entails for literally anything outside of transduality, please. Hell, you haven't even given a real example of this "weakness"; It's just speculation.
@Georredannea15 mean they will still immune but not completely. We just will make ND and TD like BDE 1 and 2So are characters without souls no longer immune to soul manipulation, because they can have souls bestowed on them?
A soulless character is immune, yes. However, when a soul is transferred through an outside force or a soul is created within the soulless person, that character is no longer immune to spiritual attacks. Just as Lucifer gave a soul to a soulless angel and punished him.So are characters without souls no longer immune to soul manipulation, because they can have souls bestowed on them? Think about what this logic entails for literally anything outside of transduality, please. Hell, you haven't even given a real example of this "weakness"; It's just speculation.
The problem is that you can still conceptually attack a character with ND. In line with what I just said, and Qawsedf seemed to agree with me. But I would say that one of the biggest mistakes is to think that being outside a system gives ND. We have the same standards for BDE, but a character outside of space-time does not qualify for BDE. You have to be lack of space-time dimensions, not outside of them.@Georredannea15 mean they will still immune but not completely. We just will make ND and TD like BDE 1 and 2
Or can you say what the different if you have ND and you have TD if we not seperate the benefit of immunity between they two. ND will give immunity to duality and TD will give immunity to duality, so what the different???
My brother in christ who the **** is talking about things "outside" duality. The entire premise of this thread is based on those who lack duality.A soulless character is immune, yes. However, when a soul is transferred through an outside force or a soul is created within the soulless person, that character is no longer immune to spiritual attacks. Just as Lucifer gave a soul to a soulless angel and punished him.
Also, being outside a system or a cycle does not mean that you are immune to it. For example, if you are not in a burning forest, you are not cultivated by fire, but this does not mean that you are immune to it
I mean that's probably valid, but we're talking about duality specifically.One example i can think off the top of my head is the black barrel from the nasuverse, it introduces the concept of death to beings shot by it
Well... yeah.So are characters without souls no longer immune to soul manipulation, because they can have souls bestowed on them?
To expand further with this commentA soulless character is immune, yes. However, when a soul is transferred through an outside force or a soul is created within the soulless person, that character is no longer immune to spiritual attacks. Just as Lucifer gave a soul to a soulless angel and punished him.
Thanks QawsedfWell... yeah.
If you bestow a soul onto something and they can't resist that ability, they would now be susceptible to soul manipulation. Its how power bestowal works.
Okay, so we should nuke immunity to soulhax entirely, yeah? Because nobody with that power meets the bullshit criteria you're proposing. Same for any "immunity", actually.Well... yeah.
If you bestow a soul onto something and they can't resist that ability, they would now be susceptible to soul manipulation. Its how power bestowal works.
You could be a little more calm. It won't be nice for you if you don't.Okay, so we should nuke immunity to soulhax entirely, yeah? Because nobody with that power meets the bullshit criteria you're proposing. Same for any "immunity", actually.
Soulhax is manipulation of a soul. It's why if you have no soul there's nothing to manipulate. If you can give that thing a soul with an a ability then soulhax can manipulate that soul. But soul hax on its own isn't going to do anything. A secondary power would be required.Okay, so we should nuke immunity to soulhax entirely, yeah? Because nobody with that power meets the bullshit criteria you're proposing. Same for any "immunity", actually.
I've taken the day off before, i am even one of the first to take permission and write a comment so it's cool man.lol
You're not even supposed to be commenting here at all man. See you in the RVR!
Right soSoulhax is manipulation of a soul. It's why if you have no soul there's nothing to manipulate. If you can give that thing a soul with an a ability then soulhax can manipulate that soul. But soul hax on its own isn't going to do anything. A secondary power would be required.
iirc, he did get permissionlol
You're not even supposed to be commenting here at all man. See you in the RVR!
The thread is a month and a half old so I don't exactly rememberWhere? In any case, staff permission only allows for a single post, at least as far as I know.
Where? In any case, staff permission only allows for a single post, at least as far as I know.
Thread Moderators and Administrators can only grant permission for one post at a time; only Bureaucrats have discretion to grant indefinite posting rights.The thread is a month and a half old so I don't exactly remember
That was clarified with the recent Staff Thread. So I wouldn't say people before that should be punished for not knowing all the nuances.Thread Moderators and Administrators can only grant permission for one post at a time; only Bureaucrats have discretion to grant indefinite posting rights.
I was saying that in a rare case that someone can impose a system onto someone else, I don't see why a ND character would be immune to that. Just having death hax or life manipulation wouldn't be enough to target someone with ND.To sum up my points, saying that being able to be bound to something means you aren't immune to it would necessitate the removal of all immunities and resistances
Yeah, that makes more sense.I was saying that in a rare case that someone can impose a system onto someone else, I don't see why a ND character would be immune to that. Just having death hax or life manipulation wouldn't be enough to target someone with ND.
I swear, that's all I was trying to say.Yeah, that makes more sense.
And I'm saying that that's an excruciatingly rare scenario, one where the basis of nonduality being treated as a form of immunity is still acceptable because the only case where it wouldn't work like that... Is in a hypothetical scenario that won't even crop up 99.99% of the time. Like the fact that I still haven't seen a single, genuine example of a character being bound to duality and rendered vulnerable to attack because of it shows how weak this argument is.I was saying that in a rare case that someone can impose a system onto someone else, I don't see why a ND character would be immune to that. Just having death hax or life manipulation wouldn't be enough to target someone with ND.
I'm not saying it is common MDF, I'm explaining what one of the differences between ND and TD would be. Same with the other person who was just trying to quantify the difference between the powers.Is in a hypothetical scenario that won't even crop up 99.99% of the time. Like the fact that I still haven't seen a single, genuine example of a character being bound to duality and rendered vulnerable to attack because of it shows how weak this argument is.
Yeah your draft is fine.
If only any other mod would comment
I, who was just appointed today, am personally fine with Nonduality and Transduality being different Natures of one power the same way NEP has its three Natures. The Types would, I'm assuming, remain Specific Nonduality, General Nonduality, and Plurality.Ping em again then, we have a couple more than we did last week.