Toriko capture level scaling

[Joseph619]

Some of the Toriko characters (Zebra, Brunch) are inaccurately scaled directly from capture level (as a percentage). That's absolutely wrong since capture levels are not linear nor they represent direct attack potency. Even planets have capture level (Mitarashi Dango Planets). Capture levels as the title are just numbers which indicate how hard it is to capture. It usually gives idea about strength but not a linear representation of power

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, 4-C is definitely too high for a creature that is not implied to be that strong.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So maybe an Unknown should work then?

 

[Joseph619]

Yes maybe, Ashurasaurus attack Acacia when Acacia was trapped in Sky Deer's Back Channel. I absolutely don't see how it scales. Should you change? By the way, Brunch is also scaled from Ashurasaurus using the faulty logic

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Simply wrong. Ashurasaurus made a weakened Neo/Acacia scream in pain.

Neo is stronger than the Demon King who is very far into Large Star level. Base Neo ate all the stars in the blue universe, which includes hypergiant stars. So even if Neo had his power reduced by 90% he should still be Large Star level.

 

[Joseph619]

Bump. This needs to be highlighted

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

This thread is utterly nonsensical. Ashurasaurus is not High 4-C because of capture levels as I explained above...

 

[Joseph619]

This thread is utterly nonsense. Ashurasaurus is not High 4-C because of capture levels as I explained above...

I have changed the titles. You lied by saying your thread reached consensus when only 1 staff member commented.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Ashurasaurus is High 4-C via a direct feat rather than capture level, I suppose that changes things.

 

[Joseph619]

Well, if Ashurasaurus is High 4-C via a direct feat rather than capture level, I suppose that changes things.

Ashurasaurus damaged an incapacitated Acacia who was affected by Sky Deer's back channel, however that's not the main issue here.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Then what is?

Tengu Buranchi and Zebra were stated to be capable of fighting beasts with capture levels roughly the same as if not higher than Ashurasaurus who made a weakened Neo/Acacia scream in pain. Furthermore Buranchi & Zebra both consumed the same power-ups as Toriko.

Neo consumed hypergiant stars which are 1300x+ the size of regular stars. Even if Neo/Acacia had his power reduced by 90%+ he should still be very far into Large Star level.

Hence we can scale with a general sense of relative power. Which you even admitted capture levels give us.

 

[Joseph619]

You do not understand the basic fact that capture levels are not linear representation of power. You can't scale characters using capture level using percentage the way you did on the profiles. This will be resolved as soon as other staff members have a look at this.

 

[Joseph619]

You can use feats and statements, not capture levels to jusitify tiers. You literally used % to scale characters from the numbers. By your logic any character with capture level of 500 would be star level (hundreds of toriko fodders). I can't believe this has to be clarified. If you know dragon ball, compare this situation with 'the farmer with a shotgun'.

 

[Promestein]

I'm inclined to agree with Joseph here.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

You're ignoring the feat of Buranchi and Zebra consuming the same power-ups as Toriko though.It will be resloved, because beasts with similar capture levels are relatively the same power. Ashurasaurus made Neo/Acacia scream in pain. Neo/Acacia would be 130x into Large Star level even if his power was reduced by 90%.

 

[Joseph619]

It will be resloved, because beasts with similar capture levels are relatively the same power. Ashurasaurus made Neo/Acacia scream in pain. Neo/Acacia would be 130x into Large Star level even if his power was reduced by 90%.

So? Still doesn't make capture levels valid for scaling. Capture levels are no different than power levels, they do not fit with the attack potency chart. We use feats and statements for Toriko

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

You're ignoring the feat of Buranchi and Zebra consuming the same power-ups as Toriko though. Also there are some feats that Zebra, Sunny, and Coco have against Joa, let me find them.

 

[Joseph619]

Why should I ignore that? I only have problem with your analogy. I mentioned on Brunch's profile that he ate Acacia's full course for his speed rating.

Anyway, once the other staff members look at this we can solve this quickly. Farmer with shotgun is OP

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

• Zebra caused visible injuries on GOD. GOD is stronger than Neo who is 1300x+ into Large Star level as I explained before.

• GOD felt the need to dodge Coco's mold spears.

• Sunny tanked an attack from Joa.

• Joa felt the need to block Zebra's voice cutter with a shield.

• Coco's mold spears caused visible injuries on Joa.

 

[Joseph619]

I don't understand what you're trying to prove with the 1300x really. Are you trying to compare the attack potency chart to capture levels? I already told you why that doesn't work. I don't have problems with feats and scaling either, not sure why you're showing me these scans. Seems we have some miscommunication here

 

[-BANLK-]

@DocAnimeTheory Where was it stated that Neo ate hypergiant stars?

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

I don't understand what you're trying to prove with the 1300x really. Are you trying to compare the attack potency chart to capture levels? I already told you why that doesn't work. I don't have problems with feats and scaling either, not sure why you're showing me these scans. Seems we have some miscommunication here

Because they are actual feats that would place them at Large Star level. If both Cross and Prom are against the capture level scaling then it should not be used.

I'm brining up other reasons they should be Large Star level.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

@DocAnimeTheory Where was it stated that Neo ate hypergiant stars?

He ate all the stars in the Blue Universe. So it's a logical assumption i would think.

 

[Joseph619]

Whatever man please just remove capture levels and % from the profiles. I don't have probem with scalings. This is not a mass downgrade thread.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Agreed. Will do tomorrow.

 

[Joseph619]

Since you agreed we're done here. I don't have any other complaints.

 

[-BANLK-]

@DocAnimeTheory Where was it stated that Neo ate hypergiant stars?

He ate all the stars in the Blue Universe. So it's a logical assumption i would think.

Dude that is some serious assumption.

 

[Tirion_Highlord]

The Problem with Toriko is that the same as DB you CAN'T use Capture levels and there fore it might be logical that This thread is brought up here's are the strongest Feats that i found (brb gonna post some link after this

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[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with this. We shouldn't use Capture Levels. I'd be akin to using Bounty to scale in One Piece.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Pretty much what the others above said about not using capture levels.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

I agree with this. We shouldn't use Capture Levels. I'd be akin to using Bounty to scale in One Piece.

It's a bit different since it measures the actual difficutly of capturing/defeating a beast. But yeah, i agree.

 

[Antvasima]

So, has this been handled yet?

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Perhaps we should close this thread then.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Yeah. This thread can be closed now. It has reached its conclusion.