Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier 5: The Last of the Forum

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[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I'm talking about number 1 over Puella Magi characters.

Given the SMT dudes totally stomp Madoka, and Vecna just seals the SMT dudes due to a lack of resistance, Vecna is logically > Madoka too.

That is an ABC logic right there. I'm still not convinced Vecna beating Homura just from that since recently, Homura Mindhax is on level of Infinite above baseline level, and that is just her 7-B form, not her 2-A form.

I'm gonna ask someone to reopen the thread.

 

[Ionliosite]

That is an ABC logic right there.

This entire thread is built on ABC logic dude.

 

[Livinmeme]

That is an ABC logic right there.

This entire thread is built on ABC logic dude.

yes but that not justifes the logic

 

[Ionliosite]

Huh, fair.

 

[00potato]

That was a weirdly quick opinion change.

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, his argument made sense to me, so I gave the point. I'm not that hard headed.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Vecna can't be on the list anymore since he has 1-A hax now

 

[Ionliosite]

Vecna can't be on the list anymore since he has 1-A hax now

Zach, can you at least have the decency of reading the thread before speaking? I know you're always really mindless on your doings, but this would save both of us a lot of effort.

 

[Livinmeme]

Vecna can't be on the list anymore since he has 1-A hax now

Zach, can you at least have the decency of reading the thread before speaking? I know you're always really mindless on your doings, but this would save both of us a lot of effort.

ouch

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I am pretty sure the thread still runs under "can defeat the most" logic.

Sometimes they can lose, but if it is due to compatibility (the opponent matches them rather well) and the person who beats them can't beat as many people, then they shouldn't be the strongest.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ok, I had a 15 minutes long chat with Bambu about 1-A Vecna, and what I got is as vague as it can get. Basically, Vecna has a spell on the 3.5e (which is indeed accepted on the wiki, unlike 4e) that allows him to show an image/glimpse of a 1-A creature, and that mindhaxes anyone who sees it. I don't even know how to label this tbh.

 

[The_Smashor]

Type 3 madness manipulation, probably. Not too different from Pennywise's manifestations showing people the Deadlights.

By the way, do we use 5e at all here? Just out of curiosity.

 

[Ionliosite]

By the way, do we use 5e at all here? Just out of curiosity.

Bambu said that all editions but 4e are used. (Now I wonder why we reject 4e stuff).

 

[The_Smashor]

I've heard 4e is really, really bad.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Ok, I had a 15 minutes long chat with Bambu about 1-A Vecna, and what I got is as vague as it can get. Basically, Vecna has a spell on the 3.5e (which is indeed accepted on the wiki, unlike 4e) that allows him to show an image/glimpse of a 1-A creature, and that mindhaxes anyone who sees it. I don't even know how to label this tbh.

The fact he can percieve 1-A creature should be enough to make him a smurf.

 

[The_Smashor]

It's not that he can see it, it's that he shows people it. So still a smurf, yeah.

 

[Ionliosite]

I never said he can see 1-As tho, I said he showed an image of one that mindhaxed other people.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok, I had a 15 minutes long chat with Bambu about 1-A Vecna, and what I got is as vague as it can get. Basically, Vecna has a spell on the 3.5e (which is indeed accepted on the wiki, unlike 4e) that allows him to show an image/glimpse of a 1-A creature, and that mindhaxes anyone who sees it. I don't even know how to label this tbh.

The fact he can percieve 1-A creature should be enough to make him a smurf.

I dont see how thats a smurf thing

 

[Ionliosite]

I dont see how thats a smurf thing

I know you needed 1-A senses to see 1-As on the old system, no idea if it still applies on the new system given the whole "muh math" basis it has.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Arnos Voldigod for a spot in 7B

 

[Ionliosite]

Arnos Voldigod for a spot in 7B

>High 3-A stuff

This is legit as far as you can go without being a smurf.

Anyway, put him vs Dante (Devil May Cry) and Lucia.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

If you're going to allow High 3-A stuff against Dante, then allow him to use his Sparda Devil Trigger

Otherwise it's spite

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, why wouldn't Dante be allowed to go into that given it's just rated as 3-A? Or does the Low 2-C apply even if we assume 3-A?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Dante has interdimensional range, so smurf

 

[Ionliosite]

Oh, another one that falls to the curse of Interdimensional range. Yeah, Arnos vs Lucia it is.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Wait, Alastor's Interdimensional sensing is smurf ?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Lucia also has it >_>

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Dante has interdimensional range, so smurf

that's when you are in sparda DT or in your post-dmc2 keys.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Nope Oliver, Alastor is in his base

Extended melee range normally, tens of meters with projectiles, several kilometers with sensing (scales to Vergil, who was able to sense Lady's presence when she entered the Temen-ni-gru) | Varies from extended melee range to tens of meters with projectiles and energy attacks (His Devil Trigger Explosion destroyed the top of a skyscraper), Interdimensional with Alastor (Alastor was able to sense Nero Angelo's presence despite him being in the mirror dimension) and Dimensional Travel, Universal with Yamato (Can create portals in the Demon World while in the Human World)

 

[Ionliosite]

Lucia also has it >_>

Man, then Arnos takes the spot by default XD

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

also the universal range of Arnos sounds very interdimensional to me

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

also the universal range of Arnos sounds very interdimensional to me

But its not

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

it literally says dimension that appeared in another dimension; Range: Hundreds of Kilometers, Universal with Venuzdonoa (Venuzdonoa was able to manifest inside an isolated dimension because it doesn't follow reason nor anything number related or things related to distance whether it be magical or conventional. Anything that can be reasoned returns to nothing before it).

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If you want to contest, take it up to Celestial Pegasus, since he is the expert

 

[Ionliosite]

Well, it does sound Interdimensional, so make a CRT about it because I'm sure that'll count as smurf.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Okay, but speaking of alastor's ability to see in other dimensions that would not be the same as precog (literally says minor precog in the profile) and there are people who can precog various futures (I mean timelines) and do not consider themselves smurf(ex: yhwach) or is there something i forget?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Arnos range is infinite, hence why it's currently universal, his sword essential makes distance irrelevant.

That said it has indeed reached into different dimensions like when it manifested inside an isolated different dimension and then, from what i remember one guy tried putting himself inside a space completely isolated from the world, which makes it impossible to interfere from the outside, it was useless against the sword, it got cut in half.

Arnos should have spatial manipulation for that now that i think about it, though it's just an application of his ability to destroy principles, reason doesn't exist in front of the sword, so things like dodging is useless, using decoys etc useless, enemies in front him just die.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I dont see how thats a smurf thing

I know you needed 1-A senses to see 1-As on the old system, no idea if it still applies on the new system given the whole "muh math" basis it has.

How can he create a perfectly image of a 1-A creature if he hasn't seen them himself?

 

[Ionliosite]

Which rises my question again: do you need 1-A senses to see 1-As on the new system?