Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued

[Setsuna_tenma]

same rules as last thread.

Tier 1-A:

1. Characters from World of Darkness

2. The Goddess of The Manifold

3. Characters from Megami Tensei

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10.

Tier Low 1-A:

1. Characters from Marvel Comics (Speed Unequalized) / Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared (Speed Equalized)

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9.

10.

Tier High 1-B:

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10.

Tier 1-B:

1. Gods (Magi)

2. Characters from Instant Death (Yogiri, UEG, and Touichirou)

3. The Dreaming Ones

4. Characters from Transformers

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 1-C:

1. Characters from Doctor Who (such as The Six-Fold God) /Mother Eater

2. Characters from Gurren Lagann (Verse) / Will of the Honkai

3. Characters from To Aru Majutsu No Index (High Priest mainly)

4. Sun Wukong

5.

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7.

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9.

10.

Tier 1-C:

1. Characters from DMC

2. Characters from Nasuverse

3. Characters from Kamen Rider

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6.

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8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 1-C:

1. Characters from Nasuverse

2. Xue Ying

3. Anos

4. Makina (Speed Equal) / Knives (Speed Unequal)

5. Characters from Marvel Comics

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 2-A:

1. Gu Ghensha

2. Characters from Puella Magi Verse

3. Characters from Final Fantasy

4. Lavos

5. Characters from Pokémon

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 2-B:

1. Characters from Pokémon

2. Rimuru Tempest

3. Characters from Tokyo Babel

4. Characters from Coiling Dragon

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 2-C:

1. Characters from Castlevania

2. Orcus and Demogorgon

3. The Nameless

4. Exdeath

5. Characters from Destiny

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 2-C:

1. Sertrous

2. Lavos

3. Characters from Destiny

4. VELDORA

5. Ecang

6.

7.

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9.

10.

Tier High 3-A:

1. Characters from God of War (Mainly Kratos)

2. Greeza

3.Disembodied Thought

4. Characters from Pokémon

5.

6.

7.

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9.

10.

Tier 3-A:

1. Satan

2. Greeza / Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (such as Diablo (Web Novel))

3. Every Man

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 3-B:

1. Zhong Yue

2. Saint-Emperor

3. Ji Ning

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6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 3-C:

1. Characters from Bastard!!

2. Odin (Fortissimo)

3. The White Queen (Blood Sign)

4. Sailor Moon (Character)

5. Characters from Saint Seiya

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 4-A:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. Li Qiye

3. Orloff

4. Ji Ning

5. Godcat

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 4-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. The White Queen (Blood Sign)

3. Senshi from Sailor Moon (Universe)

4. Balancer

5. Zhong Yue

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 4-C

1. Balancer

2. Xue Ying

3. Characters from Yu-Gi-Oh!

4.

5.

6.

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8.

9.

10.

Tier 4-C:

1. Nono

2. Theodore Miller

3. Teridax

4.

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6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 4-C:

1. Dark Samus

2. Characters from Enter the Gungeon

3. Other characters from Metroid

4. Sonic

5. HIM

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 5-A:

1. Du Tian

2. Xue Ying

3. Pink Panther

4.Teridax

5. Super Sonic (X)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 5-A:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Wang Lin)

2. Jerga

3 Zeref

4. Characters from Weakest Mage

5. Kamen Rider Lazer

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 5-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. Odin (Fortissimo)

3. Meng Chuan

4. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Allen Walker and The Millennium Earl)

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 5-B:

1. Rei Ayanami / Adam (Evangelion)

2. Mummy the Resurrection

3. Characters from Ergenverse (Bai Xiaochun and Ji Mo)

4. QiQi

5. Ji Ning

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 5-C:

1. Kagami

2. Characters from Ergenverse

3. Characters from Arifureta

4. Sigma

5. Kenshiro

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 6-A:

1. Golden King

2. Zhong Yue

3. Characters from Ergenverse

4. Ji Ning

5. Characters from Bleach (Yhwach, Sosuke Aizen and Lille Barro)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 6-A:

1. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (such as Diablo (Web Novel))

2. Characters from Ergenverse

3. Kidou En

4. Tendou Harima

5. Gremmy Thourmeaux

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 6-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. Kamen Rider Cronus

3. Ehit

4. Alte

5. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 6-B:

1. Yomoji Shinsei

2. Characters from Arifureta

3. Characters from Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu

4. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

5. Characters from Bleach

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 6-B:

1. Characters from Arifureta

2. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Road Kamelot, and Tyki Mikk )

3. Limbo

4. Ark

5. Ji Ning

6.

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9.

10.

Tier High 6-C:

1. Ji Ning

2. Ard

3. Characters from Bleach

4. Zero-One

5. Bebe

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 6-C:

1. Characters from Puella Magi Verse (Mami Tomoe and Alina Gray)

2. Li Qiye

3. Szayelaporro Granz

4. Mephisto

5. Xue Ying

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 7-A:

1. Han

2. Zhong Yue

3. Characters from Arifureta

4. Edo Itachi

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8.

9.

10.

Tier 7-A:

1. Kumoko (Speed Equal)

2. Han Jee-Han

3. Characters from Arifureta

4. Characters from Death Mage

5. Geist Grace

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 7-B:

1. Grimm=Grimm / Eugo La Raviaz

2. Diablo (Web Novel) / Void Entity

3. Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry (Speed Unequal)

4. Noth

5. Honjou Masayuki (Web Novel)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 7-B:

1. Strahd von Zarovich

2. Theodore Miller

3. Characters from Godspeed (Speed Equal) / Giygas (Speed Unequalized)

4. Saten

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 7-C:

1. True Dark Genie

2. Han Jee-Han

3. Fran (with Master (Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita))

4. Tao Hua

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 7-C:

1. Klein

2. Beiloune

3. Eshita Inana

4. Characters from Bleach (Yumichika Ayasegawa, Izuru Kira and Rukia Kuchiki)

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 7-C:

1. Meng Chuan

2. Sacred Eclipse / Cat Boy

3. Rei Ogami

4. Natsumi

5. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Allen Walker and Yu Kanda)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 8-A:

1. Sacred Eclipse

2.Dragaux

3. Flowey

4. Fugil Arcadia

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 8-B:

1. Characters from Medaka Box (Iihiko, Medaka and Kumagawa)

2. Endou Kousuke

3.Shigara Masami

4. Janus (Nightmares of Alamir)

5. The Sorrow

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 8-C:

1. Void Knight

2. Anri

3. Henry Stickmin

4. Chowder (Character)

5. Bunny

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 8-C:

1. Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Such as Blood Tree, Dragon & Apondance Lemure Lemure)

2. Trazyn the Infinite

3. Characters from Nuclear Throne

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 9-A:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Such as Imp)

2. Sōya Azashiro

3. The Player (The Magic Circle)

4. Characters from Hellper

5. Haruna (Arpeggio of Blue Steel)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 9-B:

1. Klein Moretti

2. Hatou Manabu

3. Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Blood Tree, Wendigo, Bandersnatch & Zahhak) / Slappy (Books)

4. Aburatori

5. Characters from Owari no Chronicle

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 9-C:

1. Protagonist-kun

2. Shiba Tatsuya

3. Eztli-Tenoch

4. Tamamo (High School Inari Tamamo-chan!)

5. Scarlet Witch (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 10-A:

1. Characters from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (mainly Tooru & Rohan)

2. Jean Grey

3. Sheville Warhand

4. Sabrina Spellman

5. Subaru Natsuki

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 10-B:

1. Characters from What a Beautiful Series

2. Higashikawa Mamoru

3. Zach Noveda

4. Shinobu Oshino

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 10-C:

1. Mysterious Stranger

2. Wanambi

3. SCP-3043

4. Adeleine

5.The Grool (Goosebumps)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 11-A:

1. SCP-3450

2. Soul Sucking Death Worm

3. Characters from Flatland (Universe)

4. Little Circle

5. Mister Mxyzptlk (Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 11-B:

1. King of Lineland

2. Queens of Lineland

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 11-C:

1. Monarch of Pointland

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

The Player from Minecraft might get a 5-C key which has passive morality manipulation (Probably. Maybe. Perhaps. Possibly. I dunno)

 

[deonment]

watching

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

replaced R with Grandblue beatrix was beating him in a previous match
added alte by Yungi sugestition but she doesn`t seem to have passives to hit hades with the speed differance so she shares the spot for now

 

[The_Smashor]

Gunvolt for 5th 7-B, as well as a contender for 4th 7-B.

Mid-Godly regeneration on top of outspeeding a good chunk of the tier, not to mention having pretty high AP and being able to double it.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

added gunvolt in the empty spot

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

should we remove noth from Low 7B his ap section leads to an unkown and all the other who were used for scaling got upgraded to 2C

 

[deonment]

The Radiance for 4th 9-B, she has AE1, passive madness type 3 and mind hax, is small and can abuse surface area

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

should exdeath replace Nil. He can interact with type 2 NEP, has High-godly regen and a bunch of resisances

 

[The_Smashor]

added gunvolt in the empty spot

Gunvolt is 7-B when he has Mid-Godly regen, though he does have Joule's causality manipulation as just Low 7-B.

I guess I forgot there wasn't an empty spot in 7-B. Oops.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

should exdeath replace Nil. He can interact with type 2 NEP, has High-godly regen and a bunch of resisances

i think he should

 

[Epsilon_R]

6-B: 4th and 5th spot needs to swap spots. Monkey doesn't resist mind hax from both, especially Calyrex's, and a bunch other stuffs

 

[Nicetoderp]

Zeref Dragneel

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Zeref is no longer High 6-C so get him outta there

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Li Qiye to replace abeloth in 4A. Messing with his mind gets you sealed by 3Bs with scaling chains for their hax. Has 3B summons, law hax, mid-godly regen

 

[Nicetoderp]

Kamen Rider Saber for 5th 4-A due to Wonder Almighty open with plot hax.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Meliodas/Demon King for H6C

 

[Deceived3596]

Since the old thread got closed i'll reposed by placements here.

Multiple characters from Bleach need to be placed on the list.

For 5-A Characters from Bleach (Aizen, Yhwach, Ichigo and Soul King) need to be placed at the 3th spot given none of the previous characters can resist the Reiatsu Passives nor the Almighty Passives from Yhwach and Soul King.

For 5-B Yhwach needs to be placed at the 3th spot given he's previously stomp Nihilus multiple times in older threads and since Nihilus's profile hasn't changed since then he still get's stomp.

For High 6-A Aizen needs to be placed with Yhwach and have it rename to Characters from Bleach (Aizen and Yhwach)

For High 6-B Ichigo needs to be placed at the 5th spot given Hades can't resist nor regenerate from Ichigo's Passives.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Aight an actual question
do we allow HDE? since iirc Pokemon like Giratina and Arceus has those but are still in the ranking

if yes then
Characters from Granblue Fantasy for 5-A tie with Bleach (Cerberus Instinct, Olivia, Tiamat, Cagliostro) for 3rd spot
I think should make a match against Aisha using Captain or Cag

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

We do allow HDE if they are not smurf. The pokemon guys are 4D and have no smurf hax

 

[Deceived3596]

Aight an actual question
do we allow HDE? since iirc Pokemon like Giratina and Arceus has those but are still in the ranking

We allow them to have their HDE since it's on their dimensional tiering. They're 4-D characters and can manipulate/exist as 4-D constructs thus given them HDE.

Unlike Granblue's case since the characters are 3-D dimensionally but can interact with Primal Beast who are 4-D dimensionally thus putting them over the non-smurf category. It's explained in the top portion of the list i'll grab it for you to see.

"Basically only characters who don't have higher-dimentional abilities or stats then their dimentional level (I.E. a 10D character can't have 11D hax, for example). Even if said stuff is pratically useless. This also includes protection from a higher dimentional being, range and resistances. Only the base stats are considered (I.E. if a character has a High 3-A technique but is only 9-A by itself, then the character will only count for 9-A and not for High 3-A)"

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

aight got it.
So i wait for the actual Bleach Reiatsu crush
see if Captain, Amira or Cagliostro can Tie

 

[Deceived3596]

aight got it.
So i wait for the actual Bleach Reiatsu crush
see if Captain, Amira or Cagliostro can Tie

Who do you believe is the strongest amoungst those three?

 

[YungManzi]

replaced R with Grandblue beatrix was beating him in a previous match
added alte by Yungi sugestition but she doesn`t seem to have passives to hit hades with the speed differance so she shares the spot for now

She has a passive lightning shield, and her lightning is power null, petrification (possibly Soul Manip), poison, and paralysis of whatever comes close to her. And they all bypass baseline resistance.

She also has passive fear that makes people paralyzed or unconscious kek.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

DMC 1 Dante stomps Eru, so Devil may cry for the last 2-C

https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-devil-hunter-vs-the-supreme-being-and-creator.125671/

 

[deonment]

Is dante not in the process of becoming a smurf? yes range is smurf

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Is dante not in the process of becoming a smurf? yes range is smurf

yes but that will be after a time like months(since Dmc threads die quickly)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Who do you believe is the strongest amoungst those three?

Captain definitely.
Captain's Resistance on the other hand all scales from battling Bahamut which is above the entire scaling chain of resistance inside Granblue.

 

[deonment]

Aight an actual question
do we allow HDE? since iirc Pokemon like Giratina and Arceus has those but are still in the ranking

if yes then
Characters from Granblue Fantasy for 5-A tie with Bleach (Cerberus Instinct, Olivia, Tiamat, Cagliostro) for 3rd spot
I think should make a match against Aisha using Captain or Cag

we consider hde a smurf thing if said hde is above the dimensionality of the ap tier in which the character resides, it is not smurf for pokemon as their hde does not exceed their tier, or in the case of something like the entities of worm, their hde is less higher infinity and more extra axis so it wouldn't be smurf under our system

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Unlike Granblue's case since the characters are 3-D dimensionally but can interact with Primal Beast who are 4-D dimensionally thus putting them over the non-smurf category. It's explained in the top portion of the list i'll grab it for you to see.

they did not interact with the Primal beast's true form that is 4-D. they simply nullified all the abilities and interact with the avatars of the primal beast. them negating their regeneration and immortality. the resistance they have outside HDE is resistance from their manifestations and avatars that are 3-D. them nullifying and being able to put them down scales from the Avatar's own feat, not HDE.
They only have HDE on paper because it was said that they have but that's just it. none of the non-primal beast cast actually interacted with their true form.

so people like Beatrix/Captain/Cagliostro are still usable but not primal beast

 

[Deceived3596]

they did not interact with the Primal beast's true form that is 4-D. they simply nullified all the abilities and interact with the avatars of the primal beast. them negating their regeneration and immortality. the resistance they have outside HDE is resistance from their manifestations and avatars that are 3-D. them nullifying and being able to put them down scales from the Avatar's own feat, not HDE.
They only have HDE on paper because it was said that they have but that's just it. none of the non-primal beast cast actually interacted with their true form.

so people like Beatrix/Captain/Cagliostro are still usable but not primal beast

Alright thanks for the clarification.

Captain definitely.
Captain's Resistance on the other hand all scales from battling Bahamut which is above the entire scaling chain of resistance inside Granblue

Alright then either you or i can make the thread between him and Power-Absorbed Yhwach as Yhwach is the strongest character right know for Bleach until i get around upgrading Prime Soul King.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Until further clarification are shown on the profiles themselves (through updates or CRTs) and Vs matches are done, the places shouldn't be changed since it's all well and good making claims and statements but until the profiles are reflective of those remarks it's just speculation tbh.

Similar to Vs threads where characters don't get P&A, scaling, feats, etc unless it's shown on the profile as well as backed by evidence.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Alright then either you or i can make the thread between him and Power-Absorbed Yhwach as Yhwach is the strongest character right know for Bleach until i get around upgrading Prime Soul King.

im a bit hesitant to making a match with Captain atm since the upcoming event in granblue is likely to upgrade him and might possibly give granblue smurfs ability.
which would make him not usable in this list anymore.but I won't affect characters like Beatrix, Amira and Cagliostro as their respective event has concluded

 

[Deceived3596]

im a bit hesitant to making a match with Captain atm since the upcoming event in granblue is likely to upgrade him and might possibly give granblue smurfs ability.
which would make him not usable in this list anymore.but I won't affect characters like Beatrix, Amira and Cagliostro as their respective event has concluded

Then'll re ask the question as before. Amoungst those three you've listed who is the strongest then.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Oh man, I really need to revise Keys to the Kingdom, I vehemently object Mister Monday being there, as there are characters who are verifiably stronger than him in the same tier as he is.

I wanted to submit the Shrike, but it can alter four-dimensional constructs, (I'd mention that more dimensions in Hyperion aren't treated as inherently more powerful, but I digress) so I guess I'll insert Fedmahn Kassad for Low 7-B, with Nemes (whose page I haven't finished revising) being a close second, arguably even in the same tier, as she has way more abilities, but slightly worse physical and time manipulation feats and lacking one of Kassad's greatest resistances. Taking speed into account, I'm fairly sure he can beat over anyone, except maaaaybe Strahd. Without speed... I'd still bet on him winning over Theodore, with Godspeed characters at least being solidly beaten by Kassad.

 

[Tyranno223]

Think LOTR characters should be in High 3A, since they downscale fro. Low 2C.

 

[Rocker1189]

Oh man, I really need to revise Keys to the Kingdom, I vehemently object Mister Monday being there, as there are characters who are verifiably stronger than him in the same tier as he is.

I wanted to submit the Shrike, but it can alter four-dimensional constructs, (I'd mention that more dimensions in Hyperion aren't treated as inherently more powerful, but I digress) so I guess I'll insert Fedmahn Kassad for Low 7-B, with Nemes (whose page I haven't finished revising) being a close second, arguably even in the same tier, as she has way more abilities, but slightly worse physical and time manipulation feats and lacking one of Kassad's greatest resistances. Taking speed into account, I'm fairly sure he can beat over anyone, except maaaaybe Strahd. Without speed... I'd still bet on him winning over Theodore, with Godspeed characters at least being solidly beaten by Kassad.

I can see him beating Akira but I am unsure how he is meant to get past Amalda's conceptual defenses or attacks. Even his death manip is some sort of blast.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Li Qiye to replace abeloth in 4A. Messing with his mind gets you sealed by 3Bs with scaling chains for their hax. Has 3B summons, law hax, mid-godly regen

any objections

 

[EliminatorVenom]

I can see him beating Akira but I am unsure how he is meant to get past Amalda's conceptual defenses or attacks. Even his death manip is some sort of blast.

Yeah, re-reading the profiles, I missed a lot of abilities that they had, lol

I'd rank him just below the Godspeed characters.

 

[PainKiller07]

Sailor Moon(manga) for 5th 3B
also she should be 2th 3C instead of Uriel( from Bastard!!?) via basically resists everything he can do while possibly get rid of his low-godly regen by performing a large planet-range existence erasure.
*edit: nah i've changed my mind since Eternal Atoms exist on different planes of existence/ dimensions which Usagi couldn't capable of damaging till her Low2C key I think. Still, why not saior moon instead of some random blonde jerk.

 

[Deceived3596]

Both Calypso and Adeleine both need to be removed from 5-A given different reasons.

Calypos is only 5-A with a specific techniques which isn't allowed from my recollection, you actually have to on that tier physically to be placed their.

Adeleine isn't 5-A anymore but rather 6-A so she needs removed.