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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued

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the issue there is each of those could be 1 to 3 layers. Mind haxing multiple people who have 3 layers of resistance is only 3 layers of mind hax potency not 3 multiplied by the amount affected iirc

Edit: when i read the thread about recent changes to making number obsolete this is how i interpreted it. so i could be wrong.

hopefully that makes sense.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
the issue there is each of those could be 1 to 3 layers. Mind haxing multiple people who have 3 layers is only 3 layers of potency not 3 multiplied by the amount affected

hopefully that makes sense.
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Every individual with a notable connection to the force already has resistance. Everyone stronger than the last, scales higher. And some species resist even that.

What Sidious did dwarfs all of them.

As I said: In SW, big numbers = greater layers, as your presence in the force (your light, or darkness in the case of Sidious) overtake all others.
 
4 kings madness/ mind twisting < Base sailor arc1 < Metalia < Moon arc1 < Demand's demonic eyes < Sailors Arc2 < Wiseman.
Later in the same arc we saw all of the senshi got developed and hold themselves while being near True form Wiseman/ Nemesis and moon obviously scales to them
 
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i guess we can start counting layers of resistance negated by Sidious if the idea of Greater Numbers= Higher Resistances in SW get accepted
 
Average galaxy resident < average force sensitive < average padawan < average knight < average master < average Toydarian resistance (as their showing includes resisting someone like Qui-Gon Jinn) < average Hutt resistance (as even Plagueis noted their particular resistance to mind manipulation) < average council member < Count Dooku < RotJ!Luke < Darth Vader < Post-RotJ!Luke = Cronal/Blackhole < DE!Luke < Sidious

Ignoring any other scaling or statement about individuals force presence, something like this would be the lowest.

Cronal is also someone described as a black hole in the force and was comparable to a post-RotJ!Luke, stated above Vader. It can go higher by including specific individuals, but meh.

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The reason I mentioned Cronal in particular is because he is, similar to Sidious, stated to engulf the light in the galaxy, and even able to muster "fists of galaxies" to telepathically assault Leia, though her light was stronger than his darkness and resisted his assaults anyway. Luke could only beat him by amping himself, which would also be another layer in the chain, but this gets the idea plenty across.
 
well it looks like we have to go for really long chains of scaling but nvm, so continue with the previous chain(only resistances scaling this time)

Tokyo( and likely any other Earth's ) residents < Base sailor arc1 < Moon arc1 < Sailors Arc2 < Sailors Arc2( Serenity's buff enhanced them from the state which has already able to resist wiseman's brainwash which their base Arc2 couldn't resist) < Base sailors arc3 < Super sailor moon < Sailors arc3( later they all mananged to break out Tairon Crystal's ability which mind hax even Super Sailor Moon) =< HolyGrail Sailor Moon( basically has all of the sailors' abilities as well as resistances )< Sailors arc 4 < Tuxedo < Sailor moon + Tuxedo

The thing is, Pre-henshin Sailor Moon/ Tuxedo during the end this arc have higher resistance toward mind haxes than Post- henshin Tuxedo himself alone( who was already capable of resisting Zirconia's mind hax that affected Arc4 sailors) since together they broke Queen Nehellenia mind warp, which Tuxedo couldn't do alone( I'm going to look for scans if needed but it happened at 1h'0m'30s in Sailor Moon: Eternal movie2).

Soooo, what we need to do here is to replace ''Moon arc1'' with whatever 1-layer higher mind hax resistance than Arc4 Tuxedo and continue the chain as normal

*edit: Hmmh Eternal sailor moon and stuffs seem useless for this scale so imma put them away
also here is the full chapter for pre-henshin sailor moon/ tuxedo having stronger mind hax reistance than anyone else in Arc4( before they gain new forms ofc)
 
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Is that everything? Because, well... SW would be wayyyy bigger if I include every single individual. Even more if I include scaling from people like Vitiate, who Sidious is above. Like, I only mentioned the bare minimum and it's almost equal to your chain. That should say more than enough.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Is that everything? Because, well... SW would be wayyyy bigger if I include every single individual. Even more if I include scaling from people like Vitiate, who Sidious is above. Like, I only mentioned the bare minimum and it's almost equal to your chain. That should say more than enough.
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Apparently, you gonna need 3-4 more individuals added to the chain and 5 to outscale her completely which I think SW would fufill like it's not much a problem if what you said is true
 
Pain said:
Well yes, I didn't expect SM to get this far of mindhax- resisting tbh
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Debating SW is a pain because of their stupid mindhax, don't worry; and revising it is worse still

Also, I was mistaken. Sidious' has passive stuff even in Revenge of the Sith, as he could passively weaken Tyranus during the events of Yoda: Dark Rendezvous:
Physically, the Count's age was rarely a handicap. Deft as he had become with the Force—unimaginably more subtle than the boy who had watched waterskeeters in the Jedi gardens all those years ago—he wore his eighty-three standard years better than most humans half his age. He was still in superb physical shape, senses keen, health undiminished by even the memory of a cold.

Only in this situation, stooped before the image of his Master, did he feel his years. Even via hologram, the flickering figure of Darth Sidious, hideous in blue and shadows, seemed to strip his false youth away, leaving his bones brittle, his joints worn thin and knotted with tension.

What this means, essentially, is that Sidious' mere presence can weaken someone greatly, reducing even their connections to the Force. This is also consistent with statements of him being like a living dark side nexus, that can weaken people of the light side and can potentially induce madness and other things.

“Eager to meet his captor, Luke learned that the dark side nexus he had sensed was none other than the cloned reincarnation of Emperor Palpatine himself.”
—The New Essential Chronology

“The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.”
—Dark Empire Endnotes

Mind hax is to SW what soul hax is to Bleach ovo
 
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Apparently, you gonna need 3-4 more individuals added to the chain and 5 to outscale her completely which I think SW would fufill like it's not much a problem if what you said is true
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Vader alone fulfills this, as he is someone whose presence grows with every peak of his power. He has:
Dooku = Anakin < 4 months Post-RotS!Vader < Force Unleashed!Vader < Force Unleashed II!Vader < ANH!Vader < Splinters of the Mind's Eye!Vader < EpV < RotJ!Vader

And a weaker Sidious than DE was already able to completely slap him telepathically whenever he even dared to think of betraying him. Vader couldn't do a thing.

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Boarding his shuttle, he ordered the pilot to lift off. A pity, my son, he thought. You could have joined me and together...we could have destroyed the Emperor and ruled the galaxy in his place. As he stared at the severed appendage in his hands, a sudden flash of insight struck the Dark Lord, realization dawning like the sunrise of Bespin. Perhaps, if you will not be turned, little Jedi, a suitable substitute may be arranged.

Suddenly, Vader was struck to his knees by the horribly powerful voice that rolled like fiery thunder through his brain. The pilots struggled vainly to ignore the Dark Lord's...discomfort. "Yes, my servant," the voice boomed in his mind, dripping raw evil. "Come to Mount Tantiss, immediately. I shall meet you there, and we will discuss my new trophy."

"Yes...my Master," Vader gasped, feeling an icy stab of dread in his soul, as the Emperor's mocking chuckle still echoed in his mind. His Master had detected his rebellious thoughts. This discussion would be most unpleasant. Most unpleasant indeed.

This was Vader post-EpV
 
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Ainz Ooal Gown for 4th 9-A, functionally Low 7-C, a bunch of haxes including his go-tos of Time Stop and Death Manip, he stomped a bloodlusted final key Snatcher and should be more then capable of just murdering Haruna in a variety of ways.
 
You sure? It does have a crap ton of hax and abilities like Nonexistence Physiology, Abstract Existence, Passive Law Manipulation, Mid-Godly Regeneration, Existence Erasure, Reactive Evolution and etc. on top of being far stronger than characters that stomp characters that can one shot characters that are far above 24,000x baseline High 3-A.
 
well yeah forgot abt the nep, then it gets 4th since it beats pokemon since it can beat them, but cant deal with DT, GoW or the Old Man
 
Wait what does Disembodied Thought have again? GoW characters like Kratos seems to have a bunch of abiltiies so I’m guessing they have something that bypasses pretty much everything Greeza has but what does Disembodied Thought have? It’s profile looks rather empty and Greeza seems to be able to do most of the stuff it could do. Also whose Old Man? Doesn’t seem like he’s on the High 3-A list.
 
Peter1129 said:
Wait what does Disembodied Thought have again? GoW characters like Kratos seems to have a bunch of abiltiies so I’m guessing they have something that bypasses pretty much everything Greeza has but what does Disembodied Thought have? It’s profile looks rather empty and Greeza seems to be able to do most of the stuff it could do. Also whose Old Man? Doesn’t seem like he’s on the High 3-A list.
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Infinite mind hax
 
Greeza is immune to mind hax though. Like it doesn’t even have a mind. It’s the embodiment of the void itself hence Abstract Existence Type 1.
 
Wait what how does that even work? Also I thought Disembodied Thought was from Everything so does it’s mind hax have the same effect as the Star Wars mind hax?
 
Old man isnt on the list atm but should be on it since no one can beat him due to passive plot stuff, DT has ae1, and its main schtick is possession, which is its first move, which reminds me, it doesn't have npi so it can't do anything to them
 
Peter1129 said:
Wait what how does that even work? Also I thought Disembodied Thought was from Everything so does it’s mind hax have the same effect as the Star Wars mind hax?
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Welcome to fiction. Never said it did, I just said that being immune to Mind Manip isn't exactly just being mindless lol
 
@deonment Ahh Old Man has Plot Manipulation. Yeah really doubt anybody is beating that. So I guess Greeza and Disembodied Thought tie for 3rd?

@DaReaperMan You know I thought when the Resistance page said lacking the thing for the hax means they are unaffected by it. But now I guess even if somebody lacks a soul they can still be affected by soul manipulation in another verse due to weird shenanigans.
 
i am 99% sure that the mind hax isnt affecting mindless objects because if I am remembering right, said objects have their own thoughts, you might be thinking of it possessing entire galaxies but that doesn't really matter since DT cant actually do anything to it due to nep and ae
 
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i am 99% sure that the mind hax isnt affecting mindless objects because if I am remembering right, said objects have their own thoughts, you might be thinking of it possessing entire galaxies but that doesn't really matter since DT cant actually do anything to it due to nep and ae
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I guess that is Fair but can they touch thought.
 
Peter1129 said:
@DaReaperMan You know I thought when the Resistance page said lacking the thing for the hax means they are unaffected by it. But now I guess even if somebody lacks a soul they can still be affected by soul manipulation in another verse due to weird shenanigans.
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There are two verses that I know of who can soul hax characters with no soul lol
 
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There are two verses that I know of who can soul hax characters with no soul lol
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…At this point I’m not even surprised. So does the resistance page need a rewrite that says even if you don’t possess a soul you aren’t immune to soul manipulation or is this just a verse specific thing and doesn’t affect normal soul manipulation immunity?
 
Peter1129 said:
…At this point I’m not even surprised. So does the resistance page need a rewrite so that even if you don’t possess a soul you aren’t immune to soul manipulation or is this just a specific verse thing and doesn’t affect normal soul manipulation immunity?
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It is usually an immunity the verses that can usually have it noted.
 
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