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Off topic but what is your opinion on MT getting a slot in the 1-A tier milly?
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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation
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If it does, it does. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. I (try) not to be on the site too often unless I’m bored, so I figure I would attempt to alleviate with the fruits of the old revision.
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SMT can have a spot at 1-A given the fact the 5th Placement is open, so literally anyone nominating a character/characters for a placement at 1-A will have it.
Just anything regarding higher-placement in 1-A needs to have a versus thread created for it.
Just anything regarding higher-placement in 1-A needs to have a versus thread created for it.
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Oh, well I nominate the Great Reason
Or Joker cus he's the strongest protag iirc and that will make things more interesting
Or Joker cus he's the strongest protag iirc and that will make things more interesting
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Nanashi is stronger.
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Ah alright
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Who's the strongest 1-A character in SMT?
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The Great Reason.
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Alright, they've been added.
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Out of curiosity why is this? You said that if all SMT protags battled with Persona protags the persona users would win, so I hope you understand my confusion.
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They would, for the most part. Thing is, Joker barely survived a full power Adam Kadmon, and shot his weak point. Nanashi survived a full power Stephen, in a full fair battle.
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the attack only applies said effects when it hits someone, so if adam power nulls it before it can even hit him and take effect, why would it matter what it can do
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and also to on to this, nanashi is also the only messiah to actually use his observation in character
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But that doesn’t matter, considering he only did so after a significant understanding of YHVH.
I’m not understanding. Has he been shown affecting conceptual beings and phenomena?
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Ah, didn't know Stephen was going full out. I thought he was just trying to push Nanashi and his crew to their limits.
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the attacks themselves are not conceptual, they only attack on that level, the attacks still rely on the physical phenomena that manifest to cause the effects, if an attack is dodged the effects won't go through, the only difference here is that he is negating the phenomena that would cause the effects rather than just dodging it
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They… are conceptual though?
- Non-Physical Interaction and Durability Negation via Mind, Soul, Information Manipulation, and Conceptual Manipulation: As seen above, Demons have the ability to launch "spiritual attacks," which damage opponents on both the physical and the underlying spiritual/mental/informational level, and are perfectly capable of directly harming each other, who exist as entities of quantum information devoid of the restraints of matter.
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How many layers above baseline is Ren Amamiya? Is he also 8 layers or is he lower?
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Not currently
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Huh. And are the hax listed on their profiles all they can do? If so then can I nominate Characters from Ergenverse for 5th 5-A? They have soul /mind /memory /empathic /fear-hax to a potency of over 100 billion, power null, can take control of one's energy, aura that can do all of those things, law-hax based invulnerability and resistance to pretty much everything Cerberus and Olivia can throw at them and more.
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The revision regarding the Nonexistent Physiology just got accepted, which makes it far less OP than it was before.
We should probably check the characters that were in high positions only because of NEP Type 1 or 2 and lower their placement accordingly.
Probably they aren't that many.
We should probably check the characters that were in high positions only because of NEP Type 1 or 2 and lower their placement accordingly.
Probably they aren't that many.
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Equal or greater than 8 iirc
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Judging by the revisions I don't think much changes tbh the PMMM characters are still untouchable (Type 5 acausality go brrr...) and Exdeath Vs Lavos still ends the same way on both this list as well as the non-smurf version.
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Wait, manifold is strongest now? How?
Also, how are magi gods and yogiri superior to wild last boss with speed unequal?
Also, how are magi gods and yogiri superior to wild last boss with speed unequal?
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They scale to Woodlin cardinals. Which means they give baseline Tier 0s the business the way TOAA gives Spiderman the business.
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so woodlin cardinals are berkeley cardinal level? arn't they a mahlo cardinal?
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No, but they are still pretty big
Mahlo cardinals are one thing, Woodin Cardinals are another (the latter being much higher). Manifold scales to woodin, as clearly stated on the profile.
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That's for the 2-As. There might be other characters that are high because of having NEP 1 or 2.
For example, if I remember correctly Void Knight was really high into High 8-C because of him having NEP Type 2, with HA Dio and the characters from Digimon that couldn't interact with him.
Now, things might be much different since they should be able to affect him with their abilities.
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Not really. Anos has a spot in 5A because of his layered concept hax and regen.
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me when i see DMC nowhere on there:
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I sincerely believe that they would only be high 4-C, and this list
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They would still be conceptually non existent. Which the aspect would still be NEP type 2. Idealistic None existant for that matter. So this upgrade probably doesn't change their ratings, at least in MG's case.
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However, now all they would get with that NEP is immunity to Conceptual Manipulation and not much else.
I doubt their position change that much, but the NEP revision definitely made them much less OP.
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No?, they have conceptual None existance as an aspect. They are idealistic None existant, they exist beyond material non existance (NEP type 2), (that's what the page says).
So their NEP still op regardless.
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