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Off topic but what is your opinion on MT getting a slot in the 1-A tier milly?
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If it does, it does. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. I (try) not to be on the site too often unless I’m bored, so I figure I would attempt to alleviate with the fruits of the old revision.Off topic but what is your opinion on MT getting a slot in the 1-A tier milly?
The Great Reason.Who's the strongest character in SMT? (Within the context of 1-A)
Out of curiosity why is this? You said that if all SMT protags battled with Persona protags the persona users would win, so I hope you understand my confusion.Nanashi is stronger.
They would, for the most part. Thing is, Joker barely survived a full power Adam Kadmon, and shot his weak point. Nanashi survived a full power Stephen, in a full fair battle.Out of curiosity why is this? You said that if all SMT protags battled with Persona protags the persona users would win, so I hope you understand my confusion.
the attack only applies said effects when it hits someone, so if adam power nulls it before it can even hit him and take effect, why would it matter what it can doDo you have evidence this would apply to mental/spiritual/informational/conceptual attacks? Because they take spiritual energy, which is equal to the other factors.
and also to on to this, nanashi is also the only messiah to actually use his observation in characterThey would, for the most part. Thing is, Joker barely survived a full power Adam Kadmon, and shot his weak point. Nanashi survived a full power Stephen, in a full fair battle.
But that doesn’t matter, considering he only did so after a significant understanding of YHVH.and also to on to this, nanashi is also the only messiah to actually use his observation in character
I’m not understanding. Has he been shown affecting conceptual beings and phenomena?the attack only applies said effects when it hits someone, so if adam power nulls it before it can even hit him and take effect, why would it matter what it can do
Ah, didn't know Stephen was going full out. I thought he was just trying to push Nanashi and his crew to their limits.They would, for the most part. Thing is, Joker barely survived a full power Adam Kadmon, and shot his weak point. Nanashi survived a full power Stephen, in a full fair battle.
the attacks themselves are not conceptual, they only attack on that level, the attacks still rely on the physical phenomena that manifest to cause the effects, if an attack is dodged the effects won't go through, the only difference here is that he is negating the phenomena that would cause the effects rather than just dodging itI’m not understanding. Has he been shown affecting conceptual beings and phenomena?
They… are conceptual though?the attacks themselves are not conceptual, they only attack on that level, the attacks still rely on the physical phenomena that manifest to cause the effects, if an attack is dodged the effects won't go through, the only difference here is that he is negating the phenomena that would cause the effects rather than just dodging it
Not currentlyRegarding the Granblue characters at 5th 5-A, do they have any smurf-hax? If not, how potent are their hax?
Equal or greater than 8 iircHow many layers above baseline is Ren Amamiya? Is he also 8 layers or is he lower?
Judging by the revisions I don't think much changes tbh the PMMM characters are still untouchable (Type 5 acausality go brrr...) and Exdeath Vs Lavos still ends the same way on both this list as well as the non-smurf version.The revision regarding the Nonexistent Physiology just got accepted, which makes it far less OP than it was before.
We should probably check the characters that were in high positions only because of NEP Type 1 or 2 and lower their placement accordingly.
Probably they aren't that many.
Huh. And are the hax listed on their profiles all they can do? If so then can I nominate Characters from Ergenverse for 5th 5-A? They have soul /mind /memory /empathic /fear-hax to a potency of over 100 billion, power null, can take control of one's energy, aura that can do all of those things, law-hax based invulnerability and resistance to pretty much everything Cerberus and Olivia can throw at them and more.
They scale to Woodlin cardinals. Which means they give baseline Tier 0s the business the way TOAA gives Spiderman the business.Wait, manifold is strongest now? How?
so woodlin cardinals are berkeley cardinal level? arn't they a mahlo cardinal?They scale to Woodlin cardinals. Which means they give baseline Tier 0s the business the way TOAA gives Spiderman the business.
No, but they are still pretty bigSo woodlin cardinals are berkeley cardinal level?
Mahlo cardinals are one thing, Woodin Cardinals are another (the latter being much higher). Manifold scales to woodin, as clearly stated on the profile.arn't they a mahlo cardinal?
That's for the 2-As. There might be other characters that are high because of having NEP 1 or 2.Judging by the revisions I don't think much changes tbh the PMMM characters are still untouchable (Type 5 acausality go brrr...) and Exdeath Vs Lavos still ends the same way on both this list as well as the non-smurf version.
Not really. Anos has a spot in 5A because of his layered concept hax and regen.Weren't Maou Gakuin characters also high due to NEP Type 2? Seems like that might affect their ratings.
I sincerely believe that they would only be high 4-C, and this listme when i see DMC nowhere on there:
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They would still be conceptually non existent. Which the aspect would still be NEP type 2. Idealistic None existant for that matter. So this upgrade probably doesn't change their ratings, at least in MG's case.Weren't Maou Gakuin characters also high due to NEP Type 2? Seems like that might affect their ratings.
However, now all they would get with that NEP is immunity to Conceptual Manipulation and not much else.They would still be conceptually non existent. Which the aspect would still be NEP type 2. Idealistic None existant for that matter. So this upgrade probably doesn't change their ratings, at least in MG's case.
No?, they have conceptual None existance as an aspect. They are idealistic None existant, they exist beyond material non existance (NEP type 2), (that's what the page says).However, now all they would get with that NEP is immunity to Conceptual Manipulation and not much else.
I doubt their position change that much, but the NEP revision definitely made them much less OP.