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What's MT?
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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation
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Are they just 5-D? Or 6-D?
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Shin Megami Tensei (or MegaTen)
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From what I heard, SMT is 8 layers above baseline, it being fifth on this list makes sense
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I agree, especially with the amount of hax all the characters have
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Knowing 1-A as a tier we should probably wait in case there's a verse that is above 8 layers...
Even though Warhammer is going 1-A+ soon lol
Even though Warhammer is going 1-A+ soon lol
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Any verses in mind that are possibly above 8 layers?
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for low 1-C, everyone bar nanashi is not getting past magi, low 2-C, they need to have resistances to passives, but even then they are not getting past ergen who passively haxes unless they have smurfery which i dont remember, for high 6-A, they have to have either smurf or above baseline resistances to soul, mind, and deconstruction down to the quarks, and also resistances or a way to bypass passive power null that works on energy overall, matter (down to photons and subatomic particles) and electromagnetism, for 7-B, they need resistances, and a lot of them
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Er Gen passives are mostly 4-D (and it's mostly fate, mind and law-hax that are 4-D at that tier). That said, Fang Mu can turn people 2-D via 1-A space manip and Lord White can manip concepts of curses, time and extermination on a similar scale. Guess it depends on MT passive hax scale at that tier.
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Wait, what?
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Yessir, there's honestly a good amount of support and such for 1-A to 1-A+ Warhammer lol
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the guys in low 2-C dont actually have any passives from memory, its from low 1-C and on where it starts
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Huh. I can understand countless or at least more than a few layers into 1-A and such since the current descriptions of the Warp already kinda makes it sound fully 1-A. Didn't think others thought the same.
Guess we'll see.
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Why?
Like?
Such as?
And same old, what are they? Mind & Soul are easily dealt with.
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high 1-B passive fate hax
This and control+F and type in passive, d's fear, para and empath hax, WoD's passive disbelief + Caine's Curse, and Ergen just also has multiple 1-A haxes
for anyone who scales to the stuff from the diamond realm or demons, anyone else no, they also cant deal with the deconstruction or the power null, while, for 7-B grimm has passive madness and fear, anos is anos, homura has passive 2-A mindhax + Curses, the AoC has dumb passive power copy and other stuff that i cant remember off the top of my head, Es is a blazblue character, and shinza is shinza
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Don't take my word but IIRC SMT characters have 1-A passive fate hax
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No, they have passive 1-A RPL
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I apologize but I am really bad at acronyms, what does RPL mean?
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1-A Mind/Soul/Info/Concept/EE/Absorption/Fusionism, that’s the bulk, forgetting the rest.
Gonna need to think on that, thanks though.
Not doing anything.
What are both? Can you explain?
Says who? They resist both.
Resisted.
And…?
And…?
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It’s also Reactive Evolution.
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Thank you! Also what tier is, say, 1-C Jokers fate hax?
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It’s not combat applicable anymore, so.
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Oh alright, thanks for letting me know.
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Can't say for the other but for Er Gen, basically 3rd Step cultivator can manipulate a specific concept or concepts, which are 1-A in scale. Fang Mu can manipulate the Essence of Space and 2 other unspecified ones, Song Que has Life and Death etc. and resist them as well (though higher cultivation allows for better Essence use and can overcome those resistances).
Tho, if the MT Low 2-Cs have blanket resistance to 1-A concept-hax then I suppose it greatly diminishes their effectiveness. How do the Low 2-Cs handle manipulating 1-B space or being trapped in 2-D planes? Also, is their range smurf as well?
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They could simply make a barrier, strong enough to resist the effects of the Kadath Mandala, a deeper layer of the CU, which on its own has the hax I listed earlier. Even casual fairies can do this.
Low 2-C Demons should have Low 2-C range.
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Is this in response to the concept-hax?
I see.
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they literally do not resist adam's power null and dont have a way around it and they don't resist deconstruction down to quarks
Caine is a tier 0 smurf that reflects anything done to him back 7 times over, this includes hax that doesn't physically damage him like mind, concept, plot etc etc etc, has a gigantic wall of hax, can literally make new powers on the fly with already existent powers for include stuff like outpacing the storyteller themself, has the power of all vampires which includes this wall of hax
Blazblue has passive, layered (to an inane degree), low 1-C PI, layered high godly, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't remember and Shinza is a 1-B smurf
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Anything, really.
So, question towards these guys. While the Demons are physically Low 2-C, they are capable of damaging each other. Demons can casually withstand the effects of the Collective Unconscious, which inflicts 1-A mind/soul/info/concept hax, and Demons themselves are made of those concepts. Every attack they hit afflicts those essences of existence on a 1-A level, and afflict each other with Ailments.
Can any of them withstand that? The attacks can spawn on you, by the way.
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Are you aware of the fact they can survive in the Collective Unconscious, which is mind/soul/info/concept EE? Are quarks more fundamental than concepts? Power Null is pretty easily dealt with considering they deal with moves like Bind/Seal/Forget, which negates powers, on a mind/soul/info/concept level.
Cool. No fight there, then.
Over 80% of those powers are resisted. And I still don’t have info on Shinza.
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Welp, looks like they move down a number. None of the Er Gen gang really have 1-A soul resist so far.
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Alright, then. What does Vivec do?
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it only causes ego death, as stated directly on the scan for the resistance itself, undergoing ego death and basically zero-summing back into the collective unconscious does not mean that your physical body is affected, all effects mentioned only are those that exist on the mental level, not on the physical one
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high godly regen + is a 1-A+ soon to be high 1-A smurf
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Yeah Vivec is kinda where they stop, he throws his penis staff and GGs
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You’re aware the entire verse is a product of the mind, yes? Even if this weren’t the case, this is blatantly untrue. It is directly called a void, and the game over screen from Persona 1 corroborates this assertion, stating “your heart and soul will return to nothing”. QDS is the final nail in the coffin, stating this:
All in all, I fail to see how your assertion holds any significance.
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They don’t need to regen if they can simply incapacitate, can you be more descriptive, please?
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forgot abt this, but anyways, yeah they resist someone negating their powers, adam doesn't do that, they can still do stuff, the effects will never come because the phenomena that would allow for it to occur never happen as the energy that would be made in an agi spell for example, the heat energy that would manifest in order for it to happen becomes negated and as such doesn't do anything
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Do you have evidence this would apply to mental/spiritual/informational/conceptual attacks? Because they take spiritual energy, which is equal to the other factors.
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