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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36

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Since we can't post on old threads, we are doing a new one

Rules
  • Characters only qualify for a tier if they are physically in that tier themself. Tiers through amps that increases both Ap and Dura also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology.
  • Prep Time is only allowed if the character gets its tier via that.
  • Speed is equalized by default. Spots via speed unequal are valid, but without defeating someone at speed equal, both characters will share a spot.
  • SBA is assumed
Tier 0:

1. Characters from Manifold Trilogy

2. Characters from World of Darkness

3. Characters from Twin Peaks/ Cthulhu Mythos

4.

5.

Tier High 1-A:

1. The Leviathan (The Unwritten)

2. Bondye

3. Characters from The Elder Scrolls

4. Characters from Twin Peaks

5. Characters from Cthulhu Mythos

Tier 1-A

1. Characters from The Elder Scrolls

2. SCP-3812

3. Characters from Cthulhu Mythos

4.

5.

Tier Low 1-A:

1. Characters from Twin Peaks

2. Characters from Marvel Comics / Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared (Speed Equalized)

3. Horrorterrors

4. Rad (Dungeons and Dragons)

5.

Tier High 1-B:

1. Characters from The Elder Scrolls

2. Gan

3. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

4. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

5.

Tier 1-B:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

2. Characters from Magi (Speed Unequal) / Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared (Speed Equal)

3. Characters from Instant Death (Speed Unequal) / Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared (Speed Equal)

4. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

5. The Higher Entities

Tier High 1-C:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

2. Mother Eater / God (GURPS) / Characters from Doctor Who

3. Characters from Gurren Lagann (Verse) / Will of the Honkai

4. Characters from To Aru Majutsu No Index

5.

Tier 1-C:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

2. Characters from Digimon

3. Azathoth (GURPS)

4. Star Maker

5. Akashic


Tier Low 1-C:

1. Battler Ushiromiya

2. Meng Hao

3. Characters from Magi

4. Characters from Nasuverse

5.

Tier 2-A:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

2. Caliborn

3. Oryx, the Taken King

4. Characters from Puella Magi Verse

5. Characters from Final Fantasy

Tier 2-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse

2. Oryx, the Taken King

3. Xue Ying

4. Characters from Destiny (Akka, Worm of Secrets and Xol, Will of the Thousands)

5. Characters from Pokémon

Tier 2-C:

1. Vecna (Speed Equalized)/Magnus the Red (Speed Unequalized)

2. Other characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. The Nameless

4. Xuan Fang

5. The Dawn Machine

Tier Low 2-C:

1. Characters from World of Darkness

2. Vivec

3. Characters from Ergenverse

4. Characters from Vampire Hunter D

5. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

Tier High 3-A:

1. D (Vampire Hunter D)

2. The Old Man of Wandering Mountain / Characters from Lord of the Rings (Speed Unequalized)

3. Hoopa (Speed Unequal)

4. Kratos

5. Disembodied Thought

Tier 3-A:

1. Characters from Shinza Banshou

2. Xue Ying

3. D (Vampire Hunter D)

4. Characters from Senshinkan

5. Yang Qi / Kingprotea

Tier 3-B:

1. Xue Ying

2. Zhong Yue

3. Bai Xiaochun

4. Meng Chuan

5.

Tier 3-C:

1. Odin (Fortissimo)

2. Avenger (Space Ishtar)

3. Uriel

4. The White Queen (Blood Sign)

5. Characters from Saint Seiya

Tier 4-A:

1. Caine (World of Darkness)

2. Pelinal / The Emperor of Mankind (Speed Unequal)

3. Ynnead

4. Characters from Ergenverse

5. Nicol Bolas

Tier 4-B:

1. The Emperor of Mankind (Speed Equalized)

2. Oryx, the Taken King

3. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

4. Characters from Destiny / Characters from Doctor Who (Speed Unequal)

5. Characters from League of Legends

Tier High 4-C:

1. Characters from World of Darkness

2. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

3. Xue Ying

4. Mio Takamiya

5. The Quiet Deviless

Tier 4-C:

1. Ghost Emperor Yama

2. Rumplestiltskin (OUAT)

3. Hosuke Sharaku

4. Theodore Miller

5. Nono

Tier Low 4-C:

1. Dark Samus

2. Characters from Enter the Gungeon

3. Other characters from Metroid

4. Sonic the Hedgehog (Game Character)

5.

Tier High 5-A:

1. Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves the World) (Speed Equalized) / Ahzek Ahriman (Speed Unequalized)

2. Other Characters from Warhammer 40,000

3. Xue Ying

4. Du Tian

5. Amon (StarCraft)

Tier 5-A:

1. Nyarlathotep

2. Characters from BlazBlue

3. Methuselah

4. Anos Voldigoad

5.

Tier 5-B:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

2. Amakasu Masahiko

3. Ruphas Mafahl

4. Archaon

5. Characters from Digimon

Tier Low 5-B:

1. Doom of Malan'tai

2. Methuselah

3. Adam

4. Amon (StarCraft)

5. Flemeth

Tier 5-C:

1. Characters from Destiny

2. Atropus

3. Characters from Ergenverse

4. Iihiko Shishime

5. Kagami Shouko

Tier High 6-A:

1. Characters from Twin Peaks (The Fireman, MIKE, BOB)

2. Characters from Shinza Banshou

3. Vecna / Nanashi (Shin Megami Tensei) (Speed Unequal)

4. Characters from Honkai Impact 3rd

5.

Tier 6-A:

1. Characters from GetBackers

2. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

3. Satou (Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku)

4. Kenpachi Zaraki

5. Jorgen von Strangle

Tier High 6-B:

1. Characters from Shinza Banshou

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. D (Vampire Hunter D)

4. Akabane Kuroudo

5. Lavos

Tier 6-B:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Uvuudaum, Kezef the Chaos Hound, Zuggtmoy)

2. Characters from Honkai Impact 3rd

3. Hoopa

4. Kars (JORGE JOESTAR) / Lavos

5. Tirnoch

Tier Low 6-B:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Uvuudaum, Kezef the Chaos Hound, Zuggtmoy)

2. Characters from Honkai Impact 3rd

3. Characters from BlazBlue

4. Linley Baruch

5. Characters from Magi

Tier High 6-C:

1. Mage (World of Darkness)

2. Eaters

3. D (Vampire Hunter D)

4. Neriscyrlas

5.

Tier 6-C:

1. Ryougi Shiki

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Orcus, Demogorgon, Zuggtmoy, Balor)

3. Characters from Digimon

4. Characters from Isekai Mahou wa Okureteru

5. William The Duck

Tier High 7-A:

1. Yakagi Suimei

2. Avatar of Calamity

3. Akabane Kuroudo

4. Noah (Owari no Chronicle)

5. Linley Baruch / Devimon

Tier 7-A:

1. Lyla (World of Darkness)

2. Characters from Shinza Banshou

3. Characters from Instant Death (Rick (Instant Death), Vahanato)

4. Characters from Isekai Mahou wa Okureteru!

5. Aleister Crowley

Tier 7-B:

1. Characters from Shinza Banshou

2. Es

3. Characters from Puella Magi Verse (Homura Akemi and Avatar of Calamity)

4. Anos Voldigoad

5.

Tier Low 7-B:

1. Es

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. Aoi Hayanose

4. Friederich Tanner

5. Darquesse

Tier High 7-C:

1. Ragna the Bloodedge

2. True Dark Genie

3. Han Jee-Han / Announcer (Speed Unequal)

4. Road Kamelot

5. Idea of Evil (Speed Equal) / Fugil Arcadia (Speed Unequal)

Tier 7-C:

1. Yakagi Suimei

2. Characters from Senshinkan

3. Chrysalis (Eternity Girl)

4. Altair (Re:Creators)

5. Nocturne

Tier Low 7-C:

1. Yakagi Suimei

2. Meng Chuan

3. Sacred Eclipse / Cat Boy

4. Characters from League of Legends

5. Kurumi Tokisaki

Tier 8-A:

1. Caliborn

2. Lyliana Zandyke

3. Oracle

4. Sacred Eclipse

5.

Tier 8-B:

1. Characters from Destiny

2. Iihiko Shishime

3. Shigara Masami

4. Characters from Medaka Box

5. Characters from Lobotomy Corporation

Tier High 8-C:

1. The Dunwich Horror

2. Demogorgon

3. Void Knight

4. Heaven Ascension DIO / Characters from Digimon (Grimmon and GranDracmon)

5. Characters from Parahumans

Tier 8-C:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

2. Mage (World of Darkness)

3. Caliborn

4. Culexus Assassins

5. Bouichirou Yamato / Nanashi (Shin Megami Tensei) (Speed Unequal)

Tier 9-A:

1. Mage (World of Darkness)

2. Mercurius

3. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

4. Es

5. SCP-682 / The Doctor

Tier 9-B:

1. Gilgamesh (The Unwritten)

2. Kinzo Ushiromiya

3. Jill Presto

4. Enlil

5. John Taylor

Tier 9-C:

1. Little Treasure

2. Lucetta Quetzl / Mimi (World of Horror)

3. Cradle Robber

4. The Auditors of Reality

5. Protagonist-kun / Ritsuka Fujimaru

Tier 10-A:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

2. Barker Sullivan

3. Yogiri Takatou

4. The Administrator (SCP Foundation)

5. Characters from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (Rohan Kishibe, Funny Valentine, Weather Report)


Tier 10-B:

1. Madame Rausch

2. Beatrice

3. Mage (Marauder)

4. Molecule Man (Speed Unequal)

5. Hinata Himezuru

Tier 10-C:

1. Maria Ushiromiya

2. Culaina

3. Lord Kroak

4. Cueball (xkcd)

5. SCP-3930

Tier 11-A:

1. Characters from SCP Foundation

2. Bill Cipher

3. Gomez (Fez)

4. The Boneless (Doctor Who)

5.

Tier 11-B:

1. Disembodied Thought

2. D-1

3. King of Lineland

4. Queens of Lineland

5. Sandman (SCP)

Tier 11-C:

1. Characters from SCP Foundation (SCP-2747 and SCP-3930)

2. Monarch of Pointland

Tier Unknown:

1. Phillip Jeffries

2. Molecule Man

3. Jessica Sorrow

4. Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen

5.

Tier Varies:

1. Nyarlathotep

2. SCP-2747

3. Characters from I/O

4. Characters from Twin Peaks

5. Oblivion
 
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  • Overlord775
    Es should be higher than D&Ds in 9-A since she has 5-D powers
    SCP-682 shouldn't be in the 9-A spot, as he's just an inconclusive sponge and lacks ways to actually kill people

    Edited by Overlord775 19:44, September 22, 2020

  • Mr. Bambu
    reply to #2
    Overlord775 wrote:
    Es should be higher than D&Ds in 9-A since she has 5-D powers
    SCP-682 shouldn't be in the 9-A spot, as he's just an inconclusive sponge and lacks ways to actually kill people
    something something 4e 1-A powers

    19:52, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    There aren't gods or Far Realms monsters in 9-A Bambu

    19:56, September 22, 2020

  • Mr. Bambu
    reply to #4
    Overlord775 wrote:
    There aren't gods or Far Realms monsters in 9-A Bambu </div>

    Firstly, I didn't say it's restricted to gods or Far Realm monsters, secondly, there are indeed Far Realm monsters in 9-A, see Aboleths and Mind Flayers, thirdly, certain spells make use of the Far Realm to inflict shit like madness and warped perceptions, all the way down at level 1, much less level 5 when you become 9-A

    20:10, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Succubus (Dungeons and Dragons) are the best since they’re made of information maybe?

    20:19, September 22, 2020

  • Mr. Bambu
    Nah. Not even close, really. I'd need to track down a cerebrant, probably. Or just make a class page for them.

    20:20, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    The chaos gods should yeet Rad and maybe the chinamen too

    21:05, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #8
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    The chaos gods should yeet Rad and maybe the chinamen too
    Meng Hao has passive 1-A sealing

    21:09, September 22, 2020

  • 2 Kudos
    ZacharyGrossman273
    ....passive sealing?
    How TF does that work

    21:10, September 22, 2020

  • ÆONS
    I guess it implies people can seal others anytime without limitation, or that kind of bullshit.

    21:15, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Also GEOM has sealing

    21:19, September 22, 2020

  • Iapitus The Impaler
    I would like to nominate Sandman (SCP) for 11-B just due to lack of competition. No idea if he goes above or bellow King of Line Land. He can at least move in 3 axes from his perspective despite his lower dimensional power, although idk if that counts since the 3 dimensions do not exist from the main SCP narrative's perspective. How do we equalize this?

    21:26, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Reality fiction differences are unquantifiable but they’re equalized to one dimension/infinity in lack of better options
    So uh
    Good question

    21:27, September 22, 2020

  • PsychoWarper
    We totally need to revamp the rules for this cause at this point I feel like most of the people here dont actually know what the rules really are or how they are to be applied (From last thread).

    22:06, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    reply to #9
    Oblivion Of The Endless wrote:
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    The chaos gods should yeet Rad and maybe the chinamen too
    Meng Hao has passive 1-A sealing
    Sealing? I thought it was power null.

    22:24, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    It can seal powers as well.

    22:26, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    What does that even mean
    And Khorne has bullshit passive power null

    22:27, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    Can he powernull 1-A stuff on his High 1-B key?

    22:27, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    Khorne's power null isn't 1A afaik, so it wouldn't really be useful against 1A sealing.

    22:28, September 22, 2020

  • Zaratthustra
    This was disscussed in thread 32 and now again...
    Seal the Heavens Hex's has passive aura that will cause all skills/techniques/laws regonized by it as enemy to self-destruct. Also can seal ...pretty obvious with it's name .

    22:38, September 22, 2020

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    ZacharyGrossman273
    The chaos gods powers aren’t really skills or techniques. They’re inherent aspects of their conceptual nature.

    22:48, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    They still get sealed

    22:49, September 22, 2020

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    ZacharyGrossman273
    Doesent work like that.

    22:51, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    Yes it does. Its literally in the description.

    22:52, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    Mr. Bambu
    reply to #24
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    Doesent work like that.
    excellent argument zach

    22:53, September 22, 2020

  • Iapitus The Impaler
    reply to #14
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    Reality fiction differences are unquantifiable but they’re equalized to one dimension/infinity in lack of better options
    So uh
    Good question
    So should we just equalize that to "1D speed," so like, normal to athlete human speed but not in all the directions?

    Edited by Iapitus The Impaler 22:54, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    ZacharyGrossman273
    Meng’s skill sealing seals skills of others. Skills that come from a power source external from said others. The chaos gods and their “skills” are one in the same.

    22:54, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    @Zach
    Rad can incapacitate and resists everything they do
    Chinamen use 1-A finger and 1-A seal the heavens hex to yeet the true form of the chaos gods too [With their 1-A level being above that of the chaos gods]

    22:54, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    Oblivion Of The Endless
    "It's so powerful that all natural and magical Laws, all entities, all wills, all existence are to be sealed before it."

    22:55, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    ZacharyGrossman273
    Has it ever sealed someone as abstract as the chaos gods?

    22:59, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    Iirc, when Little Treasure created the 1A Seal he nullified the aura of the 1A bad guy and he could also affect karma, so the Chaos Gods using their concepts or whatever to attack does not seem that impressive.

    23:00, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    ZacharyGrossman273
    Also how would Meng survive the passive chaos corruption

    23:05, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    Iapitus The Impaler
    Is there more context for the Karma thing in universe? Because otherwise that does not seem enough for conceptual bullshit

    23:07, September 22, 2020

  • Zaratthustra
    Won't work cause Seal the Heaven Hex will self-destruct it and or seal it. He's basically High 1-B guy with 1-A hax that protects him be it offensive or defensive means.

    23:08, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    No but like passive chaos corruption isn’t like a “spell” or anything. Like, literally just knowing the chaos gods exist can corrupt someone.

    23:08, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #36
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    No but like passive chaos corruption isn’t like a “spell” or anything. Like, literally just knowing the chaos gods exist can corrupt someone.
    Chaos Gods gets blitzed by Irrelevant speed passives, so that doesnt matter.

    23:10, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    The Hex worked on Heaven's Will, which as a Daosources is beyond the Dao, which is beyond the Ying and Yang, which are rappresent all platonic concepts
    So yes, the chaos gods can very much be affected
    Also it just says no the corruption itself
    also also
    "He can’t. He does technically have 1-A shit because far realm but Chaos Gods true forms are more abstract than far realm stuff. So the chaos gods just mindhax him or something."
    The chaos gods' true form isn't even sentient, it's litterally just the concepts they rappresent, so they wouldn't even try to mind hax Rad and besides higher tier forms of characters aren't allowed to directly affect the matches of their Type 9 lower forms

    Edited by Overlord775 23:12, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    They can also affect Essence which is abstract in nature.

    23:11, September 22, 2020

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    ZacharyGrossman273
    > Blitz
    No that’s not how this works. It’s like type 3 madness. You can’t “blitz” something like that. The moment Meng knows they exist he would be effected.

    Edited by ZacharyGrossman273 23:12, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    first thing, madness type 3 is not even instantaneus, as the light from the being has to arrive to the opponent, which is not instant
    second, auras are litterally the most common power in the verse, so no, the corruption gets noped as swell

    Edited by Overlord775 23:14, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    And the moment the Seal "senses" Meng will be affected it will protect him and kill the Chaos Gods.

    23:15, September 22, 2020

  • Zaratthustra
    1. Cultivators resist all types of madness.
    2. Essence itself is affected by the Seal the Heaven Hex.
    3. The seal is passive that affected 1-A dude so yeah High 1-B guy can't do anything without smurf himself.

    23:15, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    @Zara
    1) No I mean in the sense it’s not really a “power”, it’s a “trying to view or perceive or think about this causes x to happen to your mind” 2) Wdym? 3) Whay did it do to him

    23:17, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    @Overlord
    Emotional aura =/= infohazard. There’s a massive difference between someone like Othinus and the lovecraftian madness stuff.

    23:18, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    Do the match, it is becoming more derailing than what we need.

    23:21, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    But it’s who stomps who. Meng VS Rad would honestly be more interesting to me.

    23:22, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    Meng is above all concepts, he would have no trouble whatsoever perceiving the chaos gods
    also also
    "He can’t. He does technically have 1-A shit because far realm but Chaos Gods true forms are more abstract than far realm stuff. So the chaos gods just mindhax him or something."
    The chaos gods' true form aren't even sentient, it's litterally just the concepts they rappresent, so they wouldn't even try or be able to mind hax Rad and besides higher tier forms of characters aren't allowed to directly affect the matches of their Type 9 lower forms

    Edited by Overlord775 23:23, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Thats been debunked and their 1-A and Hogh 1-B keys were basically agreed to be merged, but it can’t happen till forum move so you’re “right” for now but I can’t change the profiles yet
    Also again
    Lovecraftian Infohazards aren’t really mindhax

    23:24, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    The Seal of The Heavens Hex would perceive/target Khorne even before Meng Hao so it seals him before it does anything to Meng.

    Edited by Oblivion Of The Endless 23:26, September 22, 2020

  • 1 Kudos
    ZacharyGrossman273
    Again, you don’t understand.
    Lovecraftian Infohazards arent “doing something” to someone. Doesent matter.

    23:27, September 22, 2020

  • Overlord775
    you can't Lovecraftian Infohazards a Lovecraftian entity
    besides, as Zera said he resists Type 3 Madness hax

    Edited by Overlord775 23:28, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    If Infohazards work based in the target understanding them or not, Meng can understand 1A things to some extent in this key iirc.

    23:28, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    The resistance isn’t on his page.
    Also define “understand 1-A things”
    I understand how inaccesible cardinals work. Doesent mean I would stay sane from looking at pennywise.

    23:32, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    Since it is a xianxia, i could explain that using basic xianxia knowledge about the Dao, but since i didn't read this specific xianxia it is better to wait for Zara to explain.

    23:38, September 22, 2020

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    Mr. Bambu
    reply to #54
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    The resistance isn’t on his page.
    Also define “understand 1-A things”
    I understand how inaccesible cardinals work. Doesent mean I would stay sane from looking at pennywise.
    this is from the man that didn't understand "4-D" from earlier

    23:40, September 22, 2020

  • Zaratthustra
    He got Seal the Heaven Hex just moments before he become 1-A himself, his comprehension comes from understanding, understanding the Essence itself. To become a step 4, a Daosorce Realm cultivator he had to understand and comprehend it, and his comprehension was so high that he not only reached Daosource but went beyond it. High 1-B madness doesn't have anything on someone whose mind can comprehend things on a scale higher than baseline 1-A.

    Edited by Zaratthustra 23:48, September 22, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    Essence is type 1 concept, btw

    23:46, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Again
    I understand inaccesible cardinals
    Doesent mean I have Hogh 1-A madness resistance

    23:48, September 22, 2020

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    None of this matters when Khorne gets sniped before Meng Hao even comprehends whats happening.

    23:57, September 22, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    That’s... the only way to argue Meng wins. That Khorne’s entire being would be sealed into a state so small Meng can’t even see it before he even realizes Khorne is a threat.
    Not that this will matter after the upgrades post forum move fine, put Meng above Khorne. How bout Meng vs Rad?

    00:01, September 23, 2020

  • Mr. Bambu
    reply to #61
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    That’s... the only way to argue Meng wins. That Khorne’s entire being would be sealed into a state so small Meng can’t even see it before he even realizes Khorne is a threat.
    Not that this will matter after the upgrades post forum move fine, put Meng above Khorne. How bout Meng vs Rad?
    Rad loses to passive 1-A sealing.

    00:08, September 23, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Actually. What would happen if Meng fought the numidium? Unironically speaking.

    00:10, September 23, 2020

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    XDragnoir
    Numidium with 1A or 1A+ hax? Numidium would probably stomp in both cases, tho.

    Edited by XDragnoir 00:28, September 23, 2020

  • Overlord775
    reply to #59
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    I understand inaccesible cardinals
    Except you don't, you are litterally unable to and it's beyond the human mind's capabilities
    what you think you are perceiving isn't the Inaccesible Cardinal, it's just an interpretation of it, a pale shadow of it reduced in scale countless infinities that your finite mind can understand
    Meanwhile, Meng sees the infinites of the Daosource as a whole, in their entirity, and can truly understand it

    Edited by Overlord775 00:31, September 23, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    And affect it, due to the Heaven's Seal hex.

    00:34, September 23, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    I think TES profiles are outdated. When numidium was made zero sum was like, 1 or 2 levels above baseline 1-A but I’ve heard it should become Hoghb1-A
    ...and we can’t use profiles that need revisions so uh
    Remove numidium?

    00:37, September 23, 2020

  • 2 Kudos
    Mr. Bambu
    reply to #67
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    I think TES profiles are outdated. When numidium was made zero sum was like, 1 or 2 levels above baseline 1-A but I’ve heard it should become Hoghb1-A
    ...and we can’t use profiles that need revisions so uh
    Remove numidium?
    Can we just wait on more than Zach's hearsay for things for once

    01:31, September 23, 2020

  • Maxnumb231
    unless ultima says its outdated which is fine by me but if u have little knowledge of TES then i suggest to leave it be.

    01:34, September 23, 2020

  • XDragnoir
    reply to #68
    Mr. Bambu wrote: Can we just wait on more than Zach
    Yes, for sure.

    01:37, September 23, 2020

  • Ionliosite
    Agreed with Bambu.

    02:44, September 23, 2020

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    reply to #69
    Maxnumb231 wrote: unless ultima says its outdated which is fine by me but if u have little knowledge of TES then i suggest to leave it be.
    Ultima does this it’s outdated, just that he’s not sure how to change it

    6 days ago

  • Lapsad
    TES wil have a bit of revision but its still work under the discussion and numi is't one of that

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    reply to #67
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    I think TES profiles are outdated. When numidium was made zero sum was like, 1 or 2 levels above baseline 1-A but I’ve heard it should become Hoghb1-A
    ...and we can’t use profiles that need revisions so uh
    Remove numidium?
    Where did you hear this?

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    I vaguely remember ultima telling me
    @Lap
    The Zero-Sum's AP rating will be changed. Other than that the profile will stay the same.

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    Then I don't think the profile should be removed then, it's already number 1, and it is just getting stronger than it will still be number 1.
    Nothing really changes.

    6 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    Question, how strong are Ergenverse H1Bs without their 1A hax? Woulf they be able to defeat the characters below them, but still in the top 5, without it?

    Edited by XDragnoir 6 days ago

  • Zaratthustra
    Meng still has all of his hexes bare the 9th and 10th so he has three paths for them:
    1. Using them as they are
    2. Sealing by means of them
    3. Combining them
    So he is still pretty much has some nice powers as in: controlling all beginning and endings; real and unreal; time; countless him + ressurection from each; 5 elements + possitve and negative aspects of things, absorbing and sending back all things; life and death; Karma which is EE, reincarnation, vitality, cause and effects and more (karma is pretty op); space and sealing all things from body, mind, soul, power, etc and even making one become a painting.
    These being their normal use without "Sealing by means of Karma/Present-Ancient/Beginning-Ending, etc" and without combining them for more weird effects.

    Edited by Zaratthustra 6 days ago

  • 2 Kudos
    InfiniteSped
    I don't recall Ancient Realm Meng having the passive 9th Hex aura , he just had the statue and could unleash it manually, different from his Clone's soul, for example. I recall an aura when he entered the Dao Realm, but he doesn't have a key for that one.
    Although, that form lasted some 30 seconds, so just fusing it with the Ancient key should be doable, tbf.

    Edited by InfiniteSped 6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    @Warren
    We can't use outdated profiles in top srtongest profiles. Period.
    @Zara
    That's... not as high as Rad's powers. But he is above Rad because Ergen's 1-A stuff is above the far realm.

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    PsychoWarper is completely right, we need to redo the rules completely so they are clear and comphjresive, because what you are saying isn't in the rule list.
    Nearly every profile here is outdated in one way or another, that rule should only be applied if the revisions (additions, removals, upgrades or downgrades) are extensive.
    But if one thing on a profile is being changed, and is made even stronger, and he is already the strongest in the list, then I see no reason to remove him.


    That's just a waste of time.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    But Meng's 1-A is higher than Numidium's current 1-A even if Numi will be stronger after the upgrades

    6 days ago

  • Everything12
    Won't this thread be lost when the forum move happens anyway?

    6 days ago

  • InfiniteSped
    Just save it before the forum is nuked.

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    Yeah, but one of us can just save it and then make it again on the new forum, right?

    6 days ago

  • Roun12
    Then the amount of people on this list that should be removed should be huge considering we ̶t̶h̶e̶o̶r̶e̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ haven't been able to make CRTs for over a third of a year.

    6 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Imagine how messy this could get if we just assumed that all the planned CRTs went according to plan.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Yeah but the numidium's thing is a bit more major since it's hax is currently lower than needed to actually be the strongest

    6 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Warren Valion
    Then lower him, and then after the revisions, put him back up.
    Don't just remove him entirely, if you do that, just remove everyone then.

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    reply to #87
    Bobsican wrote:
    Imagine how messy this could get if we just assumed that all the planned CRTs went according to plan.
    Revisions are revisions, whether they succeed in making changes or not.

    6 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Yeah, obviously that's not practical.
    Realistically it would be best to just stop this thread until a decent while after the forum move, as it seems it's finally happening next month or so, unless we want to proceed anyways with results that won't carry over just for enterntainment purposes.

    Edited by Bobsican 6 days ago

  • 3 Kudos
    Mr. Bambu
    reply to #87
    Bobsican wrote:
    Imagine how messy this could get if we just assumed that all the planned CRTs went according to plan.
    I've heard Bob say a lot of things but never have I heard him say one I agree with. The leopard can indeed change his spots.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    I still nominate Adramalech for High 4-C

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    I nominate Beiloune for High 4-C

    6 days ago

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    Seems like a match needs to be done.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    He lacks the resistance to beat Adra.

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Beiloune exists outside of Time and Space.I mean, I don't think Adre can do anything to him.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    2-A hax...

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Hax still can't influence Beiloune. Beiloune is Overshadowed. Those who are "Overshadowed" have lost their place in history and is no longer apart of reality, existing outside of space and time, and cannot be seen, heared, or interacted with, their very actions go completely unoticed to the world. Overshadowed beings do not exist in any universe or dimension. Adra can't touch Beiloune.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Good thing Adramalech has 2-A range

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    It's not about range, it's about the level of existence. Adra has not and cannot harm someone who exists at this level.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    She can unless he exists in 5-D or higher space

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    He exists in 0-D

    6 days ago

  • DxGenesis
    So it's 1-A?

    6 days ago

  • Overlord775
    reply to #100
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    Good thing Adramalech has 2-A range
    Adramalech's passive erasure doesn't have 2-A range

    6 days ago

  • InfiniteSped
    How does he attack people, then? If he can't interact with anything.

    Edited by InfiniteSped 6 days ago

  • Everything12
    It sounds like a type of NEP to me.

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    reply to #106
    InfiniteSped wrote:
    How does he attack people, then?
    Classification

    6 days ago

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #107
    Everything12 wrote:
    It sounds like a type of NEP to me.
    NEP was proposed for him but it was rejected iirc.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Non-1-A beyond dimebsional existence isn’t special to anyone with concept hax.

    6 days ago

  • DxGenesis
    It doesn't really look like its beyond Adra's NPI.

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    There are also ghosts in Shadow King, and there's a difference between being a ghost and being Overshadowed. So, it's not enough.

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Why not

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Even compared to ghosts, overshadowed have a low level of existence so much that even ghosts can't perceive overshadowed. Adra's NPI is not enough.

    6 days ago

  • DxGenesis
    Can't Adra erase like Type 2 Nonexistents of all things?

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Nothingness manip > double non-corp

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Can weaponize chaos, which is nothingness itself and erases anything it enters in contact with.
    Such a thing won't happen

    6 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    Chaos is 4-D

    6 days ago

  • Warren Valion
    Isn't "Classification" an ability?

    6 days ago

  • ÆONS
    Holy shit I have the ability to classify anything? Amazing!

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Just because an attack is 4-D doesn't mean it can touch something that is 0-D. Adra can't interact with Beiloune in any way.

    6 days ago

  • Mr. Bambu
    since when is Beiloune 0-D? There's a difference between nonexistent and 0-D.
    and, to be clear, Beiloune isn't 0-D. Sufficient NPI can hit him.

    Edited by Mr. Bambu 6 days ago

  • Revaret
    You're right about the suffician NPI hitting him, but Adra's NPI is not enough.

    6 days ago

  • TheDivineHost
    reply to #82
    ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
    But Meng's 1-A is higher than Numidium's current 1-A even if Numi will be stronger after the upgrades </div>

    LMAO

    6 days ago

  • Mr. Bambu
    reply to #123
    Revaret wrote:
    You're right about the suffician NPI hitting him, but Adra's NPI is not enough.
    Why not?

    6 days ago

  • Revaret
    Even compared to ghosts, overshadoweds have a low level of existence so much that even ghosts can't perceive overshadoweds. Adra's NPI is not enough.

    6 days ago

  • Overlord775
    Andra can hit people who are conceptually nonexistant, aka they don't exist even at the conceptual level, so no, she can very much hit him

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    For example?

    5 days ago

  • Overlord775
    Angels characters of the serie like Seraph Eden

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    As an Overshadowed, Beiloune is no longer is apart of reality (Space and Time), existing outside of it completely, unable to be seen, heard or interacted with by those who exist within reality. Holy magic composes half of Chaos, which is the existence that spawned all of space-time from itself and has been implied to be part of space-time’s structure. So the fact that Adra can harm the Angels still doesn't mean that she can harm something outside of space or time.

    5 days ago

  • Overlord775
    Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2. Holy Magic composes half of chaos, which represents the non-existent void that existed before space-time itself, and that explicitly predates all concepts. Beings made out of holy magic are unable to be interacted with, even though Monster Lord’s Cruelty’s space-shattering and existence erasing effects)

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    In the begining there was chaos. The chaos divided into light and darkness. Holy magic composes half of Chaos, which is the existence that spawned all of space-time from itself and has been implied to be part of space-time’s structure. So harming holy magic still doesn't make much difference, and giving NEP to the Angels is illogical.

    5 days ago

  • Ricsi-viragosi
    First of all, that implied is nowhere on the profiles so the heck away with that, but you'd need some scans at the very list.
    And, by that logic 99% of primordial voids are not type 2 NEP because they spawned existence. Existence being born of a void predating is one of the most default concepts used ever since ancient egypt, just the top of my head. That does not make it not a void.

    Edited by Ricsi-viragosi 5 days ago

  • Setsuna tenma
    Horrorterrors for 3rd Low 1A.

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    What I said was a direct quotes from the gameand profiles
    The holy magic of Angels is something completely different. The reason they get NEP is because the original chaos has NEP and it's part of it, but holy magic is another part that makes up space-time's structure and everything that exists. Holy Magic represents existence in chaos. The fact that they have NEP is absurd, given their nature

    5 days ago

  • Ricsi-viragosi
    That quote has nothing to do with light not being NEP. The opposite, in fact. More importantly, it directly contradicts what is written on the profile.

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    Because void is NEP and Holy magic is a part of void, they were given NEP in profile, but their existence was the opposite of NEP. I explained in my previous post why it can't be.

    5 days ago

  • Ricsi-viragosi
    reply to #136
    Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
    That quote has nothing to do with light not being NEP. The opposite, in fact. More importantly, it directly contradicts what is written on the profile.

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    In profile, it is said that Holy Magic composes half of chaos, which represents the non-existent void.It is true that void is NEP, but Holy Magic represents existence in chaos, as I explained.

    5 days ago

  • Ricsi-viragosi
    No, because you are claiming they do not have type 2 NEP, due to light being the existence part of chaos, which is a direct contradiction of the abilities listed on the profile.

    5 days ago

  • Revaret
    What abilities are you talking about?

    5 days ago

  • Eganergo
    Make the match already.

    5 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    So, any ideas about what we should do with the rules? They clearly need a rework, but... well, idk.

    4 days ago

  • ÆONS
    Eight Million Gods for 4th on Varies list.

    4 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Ionliosite
    The fact so many people say the rules need to be changed, but no one knows to what, really amuses me.
    Anyhow, first change I'll say is make the whole "Speed equalized by default" idea an actual rule.

    4 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    @Ion
    Does Akuro Sai have High 1-A hax

    4 days ago

  • Ionliosite
    No. He has High 1-A immortality on Tier 1 keys, but not High 1-A hax.

    4 days ago

  • ZacharyGrossman273
    He might be a candidate for Low 1-A after he gets a key for that but we can’t do that rn

    4 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Warren Valion
    reply to #143
    XDragnoir wrote:
    So, any ideas about what we should do with the rules? They clearly need a rework, but... well, idk.
    First thing first, list all the rules that aren't in the OP.
    Then we can decide what rules need to go, stay, be changed/altered, etc.
    And then we can look at the list and edit accordingly.

    4 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    The only rule not in the OP i remember rn is that changing keys isn't allowed, even if the character can do it normally in all fights in-verse, example being the Espadas from Bleach and Vivec.

    4 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Warren Valion
    -Removing characters because they are being revised
    -Characters can't be viable considered one tier based on a weapon
    I think there are more, but these two should be either implemented or discussed.

    4 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Oblivion Of The Endless
    Eh, I think we should only remove outdated characters if their tier is going to be changed (since this thread works by tiers) or if its a major revision that could drastically change the spot/list they are currently in.

    4 days ago

  • Overlord775
    The Axiom for High 1-C

    4 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Lol no, it is basically Azzy levels of passively inactive for its tier, any other High 1-C just beats it up.

    Edited by Bobsican 4 days ago

  • Overlord775
    "Though The Axiom rarely interacts with the created world, it will sometimes act on behalf of humanity. On times of great suffering and despair, it will create a Messiah, a human of great power whose Observation can create a path for all mankind. "
    So no, he can do stuff
    also, which of said High 1-C can affect what is essentially the platonic concept of platonic concepts ?

    Edited by Overlord775 4 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Yeah, and those are lower dimensions, against someone else at its level it is essencially featless, and let's not talk over how it's baseline in terms of 11-D High 1-Cs.
    I could legit push for it being the weakest 11-D thing around, but that's off topic.

    Edited by Bobsican 4 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    Warren Valion wrote: -Removing characters because they are being revised
    -Characters can't be viable considered one tier based on a weapon
    I think there are more, but these two should be either implemented or discussed.
    I disagree with the 1st, as long as they wouldn't change the placement of the character/verse.
    I think everyone already agreed with the "no weapon" rule, also, i think the first rule in the OP is about that.
    And about not allowing changing keys, i disagree with it, since it is 100% based in something non-related to what characters can do in their verses.

    Edited by XDragnoir 4 days ago

  • Overlord775
    it's still conceptual in nature, so people like Gurren Lagann can't even affect it

    Edited by Overlord775 4 days ago

  • Bobsican
    It still wouldn't do anything in return. and the profile doesn't have abstract existence or stuff like that indexed.

    4 days ago

  • Setsuna tenma
    The axiom is still 10D.

    4 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Huh, I thought it was 11-D, but yeah, in that case it'll never be listed on High 1-C with the current way it's taken.

    4 days ago

  • Stupits
    why isnt giorno top 5 in 8C

    3 days ago

  • Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #162
    Stupits wrote:
    why isnt giorno top 5 in 8C
    Because he isnt strong enough to be there

    3 days ago

  • Stupits
    reply to #163
    Oblivion Of The Endless wrote:
    Stupits wrote:
    why isnt giorno top 5 in 8C
    Because he isnt strong enough to be there
    This makes me realize that GER isnt invincible in the lower tiers after all

    3 days ago

  • Bobsican
    Grab some popcorn, I think I found someone to match Scion with for High 4-C

    3 days ago

  • Stupits
    I checked the profiles for the top 5 in 8C and I honestly feel like Giorno should be there

    3 days ago

  • 1 Kudos
    Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #166
    Stupits wrote:
    I checked the profiles for the top 5 in 8C and I honestly feel like Giorno should be there
    Literally all people in 8-C have either resistances to causality or passive higher-d hax to deal with him.

    3 days ago

  • Stupits
    reply to #167
    Oblivion Of The Endless wrote:
    Stupits wrote:
    I checked the profiles for the top 5 in 8C and I honestly feel like Giorno should be there
    Literally all people in 8-C have either resistances to causality or passive higher-d hax to deal with him.
    Yes but those come from their higher tier keys which wouldnt make it fair

    3 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    reply to #167
    Oblivion Of The Endless wrote: Literally all people in 8-C have either resistances to causality or passive higher-d hax to deal with him.
    Most have both, actually, Culexus and Orcus are the only ones that do not have both.

    3 days ago

  • 3 Kudos
    Oblivion Of The Endless
    reply to #168
    Stupits wrote:
    Oblivion Of The Endless wrote:
    Stupits wrote:
    I checked the profiles for the top 5 in 8C and I honestly feel like Giorno should be there
    Literally all people in 8-C have either resistances to causality or passive higher-d hax to deal with him.
    Yes but those come from their higher tier keys which wouldnt make it fair
    It doesnt. It comes from the 8-C ones. They just have hax on that level
    Also, this list is for the strongest people, of course you'll find absolute unfair stuff lol

    3 days ago

  • Stupits
    reply to #170
    Oh i understand your point I forgot Higher D Attacks can bypass causality manip

    3 days ago

  • XDragnoir
    Question, if all the offensive spells of some characters are in X tier while their physical stats are Unknown, in which tier they would be allowed?

    a day ago

  • Warren Valion
    Unknown.


    Unless the magic is strengthing the character's physical attacks, Magic should be considered something apart from the user.

    a day ago

  • XDragnoir
    Well, Ashiok should probably be removed then.

    a day ago

  • Warren Valion
    Well, that's just my thoughts on the subject - maybe you should wait for others before doing anything.

    a day ago

  • Edwardtruong2006
    reply to #172
    XDragnoir wrote: Question, if all the offensive spells of some characters are in X tier while their physical stats are Unknown, in which tier they would be allowed?
    X tier.
    If they fight in X tier then they're X-tier. I don't think the striking strength of a mage should preclude them from a tier they normally fight in.
 
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As nice as she is right there, I'm pretty sure it was agreed that Herah should lose her position in High 6-C, since she isn't physically within that tier and is only in it through her flame attacks. Unless, I'm misremembering.
 
I think sora should be in high 4C at the bottom of scion since they had a thread where roxas fought scion and since roxas was in no way stomped and sora is stronger than roxas.
 
Duedate8898 said:
As nice as she is right there, I'm pretty sure it was agreed that Herah should lose her position in High 6-C, since she isn't physically within that tier and is only in it through her flame attacks. Unless, I'm misremembering.
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it does state in her profile that she is only High 6C via fire so you make a good point
 
oof nvm i revisited the thread and roxas gets hax stomped by scion

not sure about beiloune so i will make a thread about it
 
How would Anos fair in 7-B category? can he take any of the 5 guys from the list or no? of course this is without his sword LULW unless the rules can count his sword
 
I'm not going to argue how he does against an LoL character, and I'm unsure how he would do against Grimm, but I don't think he has any chance against Homura even with his sword out.
 
Grimm is an Astract type 1 so unless arnos can affect type 1

Also I think before using arnos he should get his profile updated cus as his profiles is now, is missing a lot of things from what I have been told
 
Anos' sword has Type 3 Concept Manipulation which I think should be enough to deal with Grimm's physiologies. And updated Anos would have both keys be Tier 5.
 
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