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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36
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OTP for a spot in Low 7B, type 1 AE, reality warping, info manipulation, passive subject reality and lots of resistances
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For tier unknown Phantaminum could qualify. He is an Axis who cannot be hurt by anything other than another Axis. The idea is that he has a space and story that he is in charge of. This means that he has absolute control over every single thing within this space, which is done through plot manipulation (he is in charge of his own story). An Axis is also known as an author so yeah.
He has invulnerability to any harm caused by others that are not Axis themselves (other authors with control over their own spaces and stories) and can negate any actions or events from other non-Axis.
Sounds like NLF…..but that’s how it’s written.
He has invulnerability to any harm caused by others that are not Axis themselves (other authors with control over their own spaces and stories) and can negate any actions or events from other non-Axis.
Sounds like NLF…..but that’s how it’s written.
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Jessica says hi with 1B subject reality and existance erasure
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basically, DBT from all the threads about it is where non-existent shit goes and if you enter it you also get made non-existent and are so thoroughly denied from existence that you cant ever enter normal existent reality again, with dreams existing there you can guess how that would go for Lavos being a thing in there
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Aren't dreams = concepts? Isn't the DBT also defined by dreams, as in its made of concepts as well? That's what I understood from that thread.
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Yes dreams are concepts, and it itself contains dreams
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That would get countered by plot manipulation though
Rikimarox2
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Why can't she just erase it? They have never countered 1-B shit, iirc. Not to mention, she will delete everything since everything she doesn't believe in, disappears. At least, that's what I heard in threads.
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I don’t see how any kind of existence erasure would work on plot manipulation. I have no idea how this wiki treats that though.
if we go by how Phantaminum is described at least, he is invulnerable to anything that is not an Axis.
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Don't know that much about Jessica, so I can't comment about the first one.
But to the second, that is NLF at its finest. If the verse hasn't shown anything in 1-B shit, then it doesn't matter. Invulnerability ain't really do anything against 1-B existence erasure. That shit is countless infinities above Phantaminum.
But to the second, that is NLF at its finest. If the verse hasn't shown anything in 1-B shit, then it doesn't matter. Invulnerability ain't really do anything against 1-B existence erasure. That shit is countless infinities above Phantaminum.
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NFL big NFL he is invulnerable as long as isnt HD that is how the wiki treaths it
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Correction several infinites inmensurables actually
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I mentioned earlier that it was NLF, which is how it was written. Which I believe was the whole point. I won’t dwell on that though.
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umm no? the is not NLF refers that it can null everything that doesnt have plot, bypass invul bassed on plot or isnt HD
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I’m…..not understanding what you’re trying to say. I was talking about how Phantaminum is written in the story, which is NLF. We wouldn’t treat it exactly as it is written (which someone else mentioned would be when it touches higher dimensional stuff).
I am referring to specifically the plot manipulation which has nothing to do with tiers, dimensions, or anything like that.
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Can't she just powernull the plot manip? Is the plot and fate manip passive?
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Yes it’s passive, but I assume that plot manipulation would allow him to always have the “I win” option on.
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How would he win if he gets passively erased?
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But also passive.
But also passive.
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How would she erase him she’s passively fated to lose via plot?
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Cause her simply existing causes him to stop existing.
Also iirc Plot can absolutely be effected by dimensions and tiers at a certain level.
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Passive plot manipulation, him existing means winning.
It depends on how the wiki treats it, but I don’t see how being extremely powerful within the confines of a story allows said character to stop being affected by the story itself.
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Alright, if that’s the general consensus or how it’s treated.
Rikimarox2
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I don't recall jessica being 1-B herself. As if, her existence is still 3-D, so plot manip should work fine.
Not sure how it will work against 1-B SR and EE, though.
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But like… he doesnt exist and the plot hax wouldnt be able to stop the EE cause it doesnt have properly comparable feats.
Plot hax is just weird to deal with especially when its just basic 3-D stuff.
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Problem would be her powers tho, can something 3-D stop a 1-B power like that? Neither are faster so theyd go into effect at the same moment.
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would her power be existing within a 3-D space, therefore being susceptible?
I mean Phantaminum is existing within his own space, therefore it would have to reach him (I know it’s passive).
But also, depending on how they are interacting, she could start off within his space (which is massive) so she’d be affected right off the bat, including everything she has.
I mean Phantaminum is existing within his own space, therefore it would have to reach him (I know it’s passive).
But also, depending on how they are interacting, she could start off within his space (which is massive) so she’d be affected right off the bat, including everything she has.
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If she doesn't have HDE I think it should work then. But wouldn't the 1-B hax counter plot manip if passive?
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They would effect each at the same time no? Not like the plot hax can neg the EE/SR so they both get effected.
Jessica would be effected but so would the other guy (Cant remember his name) and him being effected means he no longer exists.
Jessica would be effected but so would the other guy (Cant remember his name) and him being effected means he no longer exists.
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Even Plot, Luck, or Type 2 Concept Passives won't help against Higher Dimension Passive Power Nullification if they are 3D.
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Since she is 3D herself though she should be affected by it either way.
At this point, it depends on who gets hit first. Which I’m trying to figure out her range but her profile isn’t helping.
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They should both be hit at the exact same time.
Her range tho… seemingly we don’t actually know.
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Its Power Null of everything around her and attempting to affect her on a Higher Dimensional level, aka enough to deal with a non-fifth-dimensional Plot.
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According to her bio, it’s whenever she anyone (erasing anyway). However she still met John? Wouldn’t he have been erased she laid eyes on him?
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