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Top 5 Most Skilled Characters For Every Tier 5
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Like, explain his justification and where you think he goes compared to Goddess of Dawn, SMT protags, and Chase Young?
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Also kind of. Like, I think it's...Yobo Blue said:
Feats and concrete statements trump in-universe experience, when plausible.
Which is why I'm iffy on where Eternal Warrior should be in 9-A
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Depends. The fact that you are a war veteran (even if millenia old) can take you far, but not anywhere beyond superhuman.
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Experience < Skill
Experience plus skill >> skill
Experience alone dosnt mean much but is far more convincing when paired with good skill feats and lore
Experience plus skill >> skill
Experience alone dosnt mean much but is far more convincing when paired with good skill feats and lore
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I mean, the dude is superior to everyone in-verse in skill at his time, tough I'm not sure how impressive that is with it's iffy canonicity.Creaturemaster971 said:
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I mean, between a guy that trained in theory of any martial arts, and one that trained in the same but actually used in a fight, I think it's obvious which one is better.
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Yes... which is what everyone said. Experience alone is nothing to actually shownb skill.
Someone that showcases skill and experience is above someone that just shows similiar skill.
Someone that showcases skill and experience is above someone that just shows similiar skill.
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I can say a few things aboit Gilad: he has dominated 2500 combat styles across history, 500 of whose has perfectioned, was the one that trained the Visogods to fight against the Romans, dethroned King Arthur, infiltrated into the Nazis, has led Unity in several points across history, an one-man army that can pass throw army of demons (including its leader, apparently in even "moments" according to Ninjak). It could be more, but I do not remember right now.
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No, not completely. A guy with no formal training that was forced to fight for decades would whoop the ass of most modern martial artists.Yobo Blue said:
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Its comparing a martial artist to a seasoned soldier with the usual CqC training behind him. Assuming both are equally physically, who would win, someone who survived countless battlefields or the Kung Fu master, who propably never fought in a actual battle? Sure, one can do more things than the other, like doing backflip kicks and all that crazy kung fu shit. But that dosnt make him a better combatant.
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Exactly. Eternal Warrior has impressive statements and a ridiculous amount of experience that I think puts him pretty solidly above Corvo, but Claire, Hank, and the John Carter cast have some stupidly impressive feats and are on top of several very impressive scaling chains of skill (which is what a lot of these debates have come down to)
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The two... are the same, mostly. Skill in combat is your ability to beat the other effectively.
You can't say someone lacks skill because instead of using kung-fu they go for nutcrackers. Whichever is the more effective way to beat the enemy is considered the more skilled (which by definition being able to do something the most effectively).
You can't say someone lacks skill because instead of using kung-fu they go for nutcrackers. Whichever is the more effective way to beat the enemy is considered the more skilled (which by definition being able to do something the most effectively).
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https://www.pragmaticmartialarts.com/fighting-experience-matter/
A good explanation
You can ask Bambu to comment here, if you want, since he had more reasons iirc
A good explanation
You can ask Bambu to comment here, if you want, since he had more reasons iirc
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Yobo, literally everyone said the same thing.
Experience can be useful, but it gets you nowhere near top-tier martial artists alone unless you have something other than a timestamp for how long you were fighting.
Experience can be useful, but it gets you nowhere near top-tier martial artists alone unless you have something other than a timestamp for how long you were fighting.
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Then say it. Because all you've said is that skill and experience are unrelated, which is just false when experience is literally just beating the shit out of others in the most effective way possible, which you figure out over numerous battles.
Experience is not the do-all end-all, but it sure as hell translates to skill, just not to a superhuman (or even peak human) extent.
Experience is not the do-all end-all, but it sure as hell translates to skill, just not to a superhuman (or even peak human) extent.
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If possible yes. There's not much skill stuff on Tommy's page
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Also Goddess of Dawn has, like, nothing on her page, so is there anyone more knowledgeable on that?
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Aight. For Tommy Oliver
Before even becoming a Power Ranger, Tommy was a highly skilled martial artists. In his first actual fight, he matched Jason Lee Scott, who was already considered the best martial artist in Angel Grove and already went through tons of martial arts training even before meeting Zordon, after which he went through even more specialized training. Tommy was chosen as the best candidate for Green Ranger (besides the other Zack, and she chose him as a possible candidate more as a weapon against Zordon). Without any sort of powers, he single handedly defeated a squad of Putties, which the unmorphed Ranger team at this point still struggled to do together with multiple battles under his belt. After actually gaining Ranger powers, he mops the floor with the Rangers and even breaks into the Dino Megazord to completely defeat them. Even when he loses, its more because the spell making him evil is broken and the Rangers having gotten better overtime after repeated encounters. Just during his Green Ranger run, he's considered the best out of all of them even when his powers are 90% fried and regularly beats Goldar, the best melee combatant in skill out of all the monsters, who comes from a warrior race and has fought alongside Rita and Zedd for at least a thousand years.
Those sort of shenanigans continue on into his White Ranger run and his ninja ranger run, and his skill and training increase in the latter. Not too much important stuff, other than general ninja training stuff. The same sort of shenanigans also happen in Zeo, and he spends that season in a lot of battles against the Machine Empire, who are superior to Rita and Zedd. He does the same for half a season in turbo.
In the Dino Thunder run, even before receiving the Black Ranger Powers, held back Mesogogs small army of Tyrannadrones (angry AI robots upgraded with dinosaur DNA) and escaped all his forces single handedly. He's also the only ranger able to match Trent Fernandez-Mercer at first, and they tie in their encounter despite Trent having a sizable AP and speed advantage. He fights a lot more monsters, but you probably could tell that by now. Though, at this point in the timeline, he's already equal to Anubis Cruger, who is not only pretty much the number 1 SPD (a massive galaxy wide peace keeping force) capable of skill-stomping experienced ranger teams singlehandedly and obliterating a hundred powerful bots, but was capable of matching Grumm, a experienced space warlord and his greatest subordinates in combat and was pretty much the only person to survive the war, which killed everyone else on the planet, before joining SPD.
Even after his Dino Thunder days, he still continued to fight off quite a few monsters using the Master Morpher. In Soul of the Dragon, despite being older, retired, having broken down powers, and a massive back injury, he's still a match for his son, a SPD Ranger in his own right, in combat.
At his peak in Super Ninja Steel, he is considered the only real chance the Ranger's have of overpowering Lord Drayvon's army and the only one capable of escaping him, and helps defeat a entire army of duplicate rangers and singlehandedly defeats Lord Drayvon. Because of his experience and skill, he is considered the greatest Power Ranger, and for all the silliness that comes with that role, the Power Rangers are still a multiversal organization of the greatest warriors across millions of years, and filled to the brim with master martial artists, ninja grandmasters, Master Samurai, ancient warriors and magicians capable of holding back entire armies singlehanded, and highly trained military operatives. Within his lifetime, the guy is already considered so legendary among Power Rangers that studying his life and feats is mandatory reading for all SPD rangers.
So yeah.
Before even becoming a Power Ranger, Tommy was a highly skilled martial artists. In his first actual fight, he matched Jason Lee Scott, who was already considered the best martial artist in Angel Grove and already went through tons of martial arts training even before meeting Zordon, after which he went through even more specialized training. Tommy was chosen as the best candidate for Green Ranger (besides the other Zack, and she chose him as a possible candidate more as a weapon against Zordon). Without any sort of powers, he single handedly defeated a squad of Putties, which the unmorphed Ranger team at this point still struggled to do together with multiple battles under his belt. After actually gaining Ranger powers, he mops the floor with the Rangers and even breaks into the Dino Megazord to completely defeat them. Even when he loses, its more because the spell making him evil is broken and the Rangers having gotten better overtime after repeated encounters. Just during his Green Ranger run, he's considered the best out of all of them even when his powers are 90% fried and regularly beats Goldar, the best melee combatant in skill out of all the monsters, who comes from a warrior race and has fought alongside Rita and Zedd for at least a thousand years.
Those sort of shenanigans continue on into his White Ranger run and his ninja ranger run, and his skill and training increase in the latter. Not too much important stuff, other than general ninja training stuff. The same sort of shenanigans also happen in Zeo, and he spends that season in a lot of battles against the Machine Empire, who are superior to Rita and Zedd. He does the same for half a season in turbo.
In the Dino Thunder run, even before receiving the Black Ranger Powers, held back Mesogogs small army of Tyrannadrones (angry AI robots upgraded with dinosaur DNA) and escaped all his forces single handedly. He's also the only ranger able to match Trent Fernandez-Mercer at first, and they tie in their encounter despite Trent having a sizable AP and speed advantage. He fights a lot more monsters, but you probably could tell that by now. Though, at this point in the timeline, he's already equal to Anubis Cruger, who is not only pretty much the number 1 SPD (a massive galaxy wide peace keeping force) capable of skill-stomping experienced ranger teams singlehandedly and obliterating a hundred powerful bots, but was capable of matching Grumm, a experienced space warlord and his greatest subordinates in combat and was pretty much the only person to survive the war, which killed everyone else on the planet, before joining SPD.
Even after his Dino Thunder days, he still continued to fight off quite a few monsters using the Master Morpher. In Soul of the Dragon, despite being older, retired, having broken down powers, and a massive back injury, he's still a match for his son, a SPD Ranger in his own right, in combat.
At his peak in Super Ninja Steel, he is considered the only real chance the Ranger's have of overpowering Lord Drayvon's army and the only one capable of escaping him, and helps defeat a entire army of duplicate rangers and singlehandedly defeats Lord Drayvon. Because of his experience and skill, he is considered the greatest Power Ranger, and for all the silliness that comes with that role, the Power Rangers are still a multiversal organization of the greatest warriors across millions of years, and filled to the brim with master martial artists, ninja grandmasters, Master Samurai, ancient warriors and magicians capable of holding back entire armies singlehanded, and highly trained military operatives. Within his lifetime, the guy is already considered so legendary among Power Rangers that studying his life and feats is mandatory reading for all SPD rangers.
So yeah.
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Ok that's pretty good. I'll put him above Goddess of Dawn, but I'll wait until I have more time to debate SMT protags
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Let me rephrase, I nominate this guy ^ for 8-A and low 7-B
