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Top 5 Most Skilled Characters For Every Tier 5

Firephoenixearl said:
He's already there. How he is above Shizuku who could perform body recreation on a celular level is beyond me but eh
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Shizuku doing that is an asspull and you know it
 
Ionliosite said:
Firephoenixearl said:
He's already there. How he is above Shizuku who could perform body recreation on a celular level is beyond me but eh
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Shizuku doing that is an asspull and you know it
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She's at least somewhat comparable to Kiriko who could take half of your cells to recreate the other half of the body so it's not an ass pull

Though it doesn't help that shizuku did mess up a couple of times and left her body with "injuries" cus she f-ed up big time

Thank god she didn't try that against Amane's probability she would have turned to actual vapor and become a cloud
 
I post it up and hit send but it just disappears and nothing is sent.

And no, Hayato Furinji pretty much goes above Shizuku. We are talking about a man that can perfectly match his level of skill to Miu's and Kenichi's level while dividing his brain to think and say two things at once. He went beyond battling two people at once and literally made different sides of his body do different things like there were two people controlling each side of his body, while fighting, not using any more or less power than what was needed and doing it all for a lesson while not really putting in much effort at all.

This plus just, being above all of the ridiculous uber masters and only being matched by... well, you could count the number of people that match him all over the world in one hand.
 
Never said Hayato is trash, Hayato is definitely good (i've seen kenichi so i know that much), but as i said when most people can fart out fire or wind she is a girl who can turn herself to vapor via using calculations on every single cell of her body without mistakes in a matter of seconds while having been cut in half.
 
Yeah but again, that's an intelligence feat and not necessarily a skill one. The fact that Hayato can divide his mind in two and talk with two people at once, somehow making two different voices come out in perfect synchrony is a pretty absurd thing, but unless I can feasibly imagine how this could be interpreted for his combat skill it is meaningless. The best I could say is that it's all the result of his martial arts so it shows great control of his body, or that it's something no one else in a cast of super skilled people has been shown to do, but only the last statement really has much weight.

I just think it gets muddled a little too much that intelligence doesn't translate 1:1 into combat skill most of the time, and sometimes it doesn't translate much of all because it's used for something unrelated. Which is why the Accelerator suggestion from before got me into a bad mood, it's nonsensical to put someone at the top of a category because "computs information like a super computer". If he hasn't shown being able to translate that to combat skill, does it really matter?
 
That's why I wish there was a separate section on character pages for combat skill, rather than having to group it into intelligence.
 
Yeah, but combat skill is a kind of intelligence one way or another. Intelligence is factorial and has many facets, there's no reason to overcomplicate it and we can just put all that stuff in there. But general intelligence feats have no reason to go in here without proper connection to combat skill because this is only about combat skill.
 
Just a quick little bump.

Also just looking at their pages, it seems like Sojirou Mibu might be about even with Nasuverse Sword Saints, and I'd need a second opinion on whether they compare to Nanami, let alone EoS Shichika.
 
I don't see any thing about that on his page. his fighting style seems to revolve around shaping his killing intent into physical slashes. He doesn't upgrade to concept-cutting until he becomes a god, iirc
 
Again, that's absolute bullshit.

That is not skill, that's a superpower. He trained to get it, but goku trained to be able to shoot lasers, and naruto trained to make cellural wind blades. Doesn't equate it to skill in swordsmanship beyond having a skill that let's you ignore durability.
 
It also says he knows everything there is to know about swords and every style of swordsmanship in the verse, so that's something.
 
FloweryAlex said:
Again, that's absolute bullshit.

That is not skill, that's a superpower. He trained to get it, but goku trained to be able to shoot lasers, and naruto trained to make cellural wind blades. Doesn't equate it to skill in swordsmanship beyond having a skill that let's you ignore durability.
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And I call Bs on that one. A character like Jin Mo-ri can controll wind with skill alone, while someone like Naruto uses chakra. You are taking characters from verses, that use some kind of supernatural energy vs a guy who has (apparently, Idk the verse) been stated to do it with skill alone. That's just a massive false equivalency!
 
Okay so if we've got any knowledgeable members for Masada characters, we should figure out whether in-story Mibu or the Nasuverse Sword Saints are more impressive.

Personally, I feel like dimensional refraction and probability-crushing seem more impressive than killing intent blades, but I also don't know the Masadaverse so I can't say.
 
I would retract or stop any claims of not being quantifiable or making no sense when we don't really even know much about the character. Arguing vagueness doesn't give you much.
 
The false equivalency point doesn't really hold up, since both energies are also created through shher skill.

And you can take any superpower that someone trained to get, it still doesn't translate to skill like actual feats like predicting others, copying them, etc.

There is a guy that just learned to will a black hole "through skill", but you don't see me suggesting him here.
 
but it's always impossible to quantify skill. Not like you can say:"this is a seven on the skill tier list, while this is a four". It is always a case of "Umm... I think this is better"
 
No Alex, that's still a completely false equivalence. Chakra by nature lets you do things you shouldn't be able to with physical skills, that's it's whole use. Using it in an elemental way, with at least one element, is stuff almost any chunin can pull off. It's not a great skill feat and can't be compared at all.

Not to mention, downright making a blackhole appear because "skill" is not in anyway the same to cutting things you shouldn't even be able to cut. At least the second is related to swords and doing something that shouldn't be achievable, the first is downright gravity manipulation and has no logical connection.
 
FloweryAlex said:
The false equivalency point doesn't really hold up, since both energies are also created through shher skill.

And you can take any superpower that someone trained to get, it still doesn't translate to skill like actual feats like predicting others, copying them, etc.

There is a guy that just learned to will a black hole "through skill", but you don't see me suggesting him here.
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Do u even know the verses!? EVERYONE in DB and (at least almost everyone in) Naruto has chakra/ki.
 
No to both. In DB you need to train for decades to normally access it, and qi is the extension of your own ohysical power.

In Naruto, chakra has to be actively made, which is why the ninja academy is a thing, and they make it by taking energy from their cells and mind and combining it.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
No Alex, that's still a completely false equivalence. Chakra by nature lets you do things you shouldn't be able to with physical skills, that's it's whole use. Using it in an elemental way, with at least one element, is stuff almost any chunin can pull off. It's not a great skill feat and can't be compared at all.

Not to mention, downright making a blackhole appear because "skill" is not in anyway the same to cutting things you shouldn't even be able to cut. At least the second is related to swords and doing something that shouldn't be achievable, the first is downright gravity manipulation and has no logical connection.
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It dies have a logical connection. The dude is manipulating quantum entanglement with atoms in his brain, creating blackholes through quantum mechanics. Wonky as hell quantum mechanics, but quantum mechanics regardless, he has more of a connextion the the dude cutting concepts.

And being able to cut something you shouldn't be able to is not something that is remotely about skill. It's just that the verse let's you do that if you train enough.

It doesn't mean the dude can do anything compared to those that can predict his every move, copy his every stance, and simply disarm him a billion ways withoout ever giving him the chance to cut them at all.
 
FloweryAlex said:
No to both. In DB you need to train for decades to normally access it, and qi is the extension of your own ohysical power.

In Naruto, chakra has to be actively made, which is why the ninja academy is a thing, and they make it by taking energy from their cells and mind and combining it.
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Accessing =/= not having it. Edit: Just think about Videl lol

That's just false. It's a passive replenishment (iirc). Everyone in verse has chakra, due to kaguya. That's just how it is.
 
Every human being has muscles and the ability to use them effectively. Training them is needed in both cases regardless.

No, it isn't. And no, nit everyone has it by default, and not because of Kaguya for sure. Hagoromo gave and taught about chakra, but civilians can't combine the two components.
 
Umm, pretty sure kaguya ate that thing/brought chakra to earth, while also claiming that all chakra comes from her and belongs to her, but ok.

Edit: also, the onlyones that don't have it by default were some guys in a (I think) non cannon movie. (Not sure if Lee and Guy were too stupid or had none). Doesn't change anything though, since they never used any anyways, even though they were training like crazy to use it (far more than anyone else).
 
Yet you decide to not explain this and merely go "he skills black holes".

That's, pardon because this'll sound offensive, incredibly dumb. "Let's you do that if you train enough" is LITERALLY the definition of skill, doing something you couldn't do before by practicing until you can. I would be happy to hear you prove how cutting concepts is something you can do in that verse if you train enough, otherwise you are pulling it out of your ass with no base.

I never said it did, why are you bringing this up? My whole point is that you are making a baseless and very wrong false equivalence.
 
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