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Top 5 Best Written Characters for Every Tier

As the Kirby dude, I can safely say that no Kirby character belongs on this list. Same with Zelda. You might be able to get Count Bleck for 2-B for Mario.
 
EmperorRorepme said:
Guys you need to give reasoning.
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This

It's boring as hell to not have reasoning for this thread, makes it impossible to understand what makes them good.
 
If you want to rank people already on the list against each other, you can sorta tick off the points on the qualifications post I made and compare them when all is said and done. Light (Death Note), for example, is not dimensional, and is just barely believable enough to pass that quality. But, he is intriguing and compelling.
 
"1. Likable. Thanos (MCU) is not likable, but he is citied as a good character often."

As the infamous guy, Cole is not very likeable in the first game, mostly due to his morals and his Cold exterior

Infamous 2 Cole is very likeable however
 
Schnee One said:
"1. Likable. Thanos (MCU) is not likable, but he is citied as a good character often."
As the infamous guy, Cole is not very likeable in the first game, mostly due to his morals and his Cold exterior

Infamous 2 Cole is very likeable however
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And yet, Cole is well written.

Funny how that works out.
 
@Cal

Bill Cipher: Dimensional? Unless you're counting his ability to be 2-D, no. Intriguing? Definitely. Compelling? very much so. Believable? Not so much, but most Eldritch beings never tick that mark so.

Toguro: Dimensional? Not really. Intriguing?...Do I need to get the Orange Juice scene? Compelling? ...Guess so. Believable? Given his backstory and the world he exists in, yes.
 
@Schnee:

Cole is dimensional. He reacts to things differently given the scenario he's in. He has layers, parts of himself he never shows aside from very rare occasions

He is definitely intriguing, though this is his weakest aspect. The situation he finds himself in helps him hold interest.

Compelling? Cole's journey is a very emotional one of him struggling to move past his loss and failures and eventually being forced to meet with a fate he never signed up for. He ticks this one very easily.

Believable? Given his past, his experiences, all of his choices are believable for the time he makes them. Though, his evil choices are weaker, his evil ending (in 2) is more believable, so I'd say he only somewhat meets this
 
That I do agree with, it's one thing to make the decision to take a risk and save far more lives, but, unfortunately, it's less believable to have someone take that risk knowing they will die
 
N for 9-C

N is a good character bc he is the perfect foil for the player. He questions why Pokémon are used for cruel battles by humans, and sees pokémons as equals. His conviction is so genuine that, isntead of the usual "Trying to control the legendary pokémon by force", the legenday pokémon chooses N as the hero of ideals/truth, and decides to fight by his side, going as far as defeating the Champion before the Player

In lots of ways, N serves as the role of the "villain" in his plans, but he isn't a villainous character, as seen by Concordia's dialogue:

"I am Concordia. I give peace and comfort to N. N has been separated from people since he was young. He was brought up with Pokémon... Pokémon that were betrayed, mistreated and hurt by bad people... Ghetsis deliberately brought only those poor Pokémon closer to N. N was touched by their plight, and started pursuing idealsB/the truthW, thinking only of Pokémon. N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."

N's motivation is not power for the sake of power, it's to prove his conviction right. But that being said, N himself questions his own motivations, as seen by Anthea's dialogue:

"I am Anthea... Trainer. Before you go to confront my lord N, please take a moment to rest..."

"Ah, good. Both you and your Pokémon regained energy... Trainers battle to practice their skills and to grow in experience, but never to hurt their Pokémon. My lord N has realized this, deep down in his heart...but he has spent too much painful time here in this castle to admit it..."

Unlike many other final bosses where the opponent is either clearly superior/portrays itself as superior, N considers the Player his equal in both conviction and belief in your cause, that being examplified in both of your wielding the opposing legendary dragons from Unova and ducking it out on a final "winner takes it all" battle

After the final battle against Hydreigo Ghetsis(who is revealed to have been manipulating N since the beginning), N finally comes to terms with his own ideology and realizes that his beliefs where mistaken, and reveals his surprise over how many pokémon cared about their trainers:

"It's about when I first met you in Accumula Town. I was shocked when I heard what your Pokémon was saying. I was shocked because that Pokémon said it liked you. It said it wanted to be with you."

"I couldn't understand it. I couldn't believe there were Pokémon that liked people. Because, up until that moment, I'd never known a Pokémon like that. The longer my journey continued, the more unsure I became. All I kept meeting were Pokémon and people who communicated with one another and helped one another. That was why I needed to confirm my beliefs by battling with you. I wanted to confront you hero-to-hero. I needed that more than anything.

"There's no way a person like me, someone who understands only Pokémon— No, actually… I didn't understand them, either. No way could I measure up to you, when you had met so many Pokémon and were surrounded by friends…"

This is the climax of his character, it's when he shakes off his beliefs and comes to term that his ideology can't be forced upon others. This is later seen in his B2W2 dialogue:

"It's the place that made me notice the harmony between Pokémon and humans living together… I will protect the Pokémon and humans who live here!"

"Please understand. Pokémon are not tools. Pokémon and humans take each other to greater heights. They are our wonderful partners. Some humans understand this. Why can't you?"

N embodies the process of accumulating knowledge via experience, of opening yourself to other views and realizing that rejecting your previous ideals/truth is not something that signifies everything being in vain, but rather as a mark of maturity and growth.

During the event of Black and White, N is the perfect anti hero, in the sense that he is a primary antagonist for the player but his motivations are honorable and he himself is not a villainous character
 
I gotta say really quick this thread is already vastly better then the worst written thread (not that that's hard too accomplish) and I highly appreciate Emperor and Cal for their essays on Meruem, Bill and Toguro respectively. I really missed interested and thought provoking posts like these tbh.

Edit:also appreciate the respect for N who happens to be one of my favorite Pokémon characters of all time.
 
Js250476 said:
I gotta say really quick this thread is already vastly better then the worst written thread (not that that's hard too accomplish) and I highly appreciate Emperor and Cal for their essays on Meruem, Bill and Toguro respectively. I really missed interested and thought provoking posts like these tbh.

Edit:also appreciate the respect for N who happens to be one of my favorite Pokémon characters of all time.
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This is because talking about what's better is far less flameworthy then discussing what's worse.
 
ChocomilkAlex said:
Naofumi is the only well written character from any Isekai smh my head.
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Sarcasm i hope.

I think Subaru is decently well written, he is multi-layered character but you can boil some of it down to him thinking he is the protag in an isekai, and deserving of everything like a typical protag, power and girls, but instead only has the power to go back in time upon death.

Basically he thinks he is the protag, he feels he has to be in the center of everything cause only he can fix things. Instead he is shown that the world doesn't revolve around him and broken down mentally.

Going to another world doesn't make you a different person, he is still that guy who is awkward around others, hence why he acts over the top and what not cause he thinks that's normal, this lead to problems with making friends before being isekai'ed. I can get into his backstory but this will get long so i won't here.

Subaru realizes all his faults but he just never wanted to confront them, and being mind screwed forced that on him, that he is weak, he can't save anyone on his own, he's never done anything etc etc.

And from that he starts trying to change, the change didn't happen upon being isekai'ed, cause just being in a new place doesn't fix your problems.

Then there is the whole aspect of him having a really severe inferiority complex and being altruistic, which isn't exactly a good thing, he wants to save people but has to die to do it, eventually he would have stopped caring about his life, and kill himself over the most minor things like knowing the weather for the day, if this didn't get resolved, by someone who has brought him pain of all people, teaching him to value his life.

There is really too much to go over in just this with Subaru, he has anxiety, ptsd, depression etc, and there is always that lingering thought in the back of his head wondering if he has really saved/can save anyone, he couldn't save the person he loved, and his ability isn't invincible, it's possible the worlds he left continue after his death.
 
Well obviously yeah positive topics like these rarely cause controversy and hatred (and they shouldn't)
 
The last thread went down in flames because of people wanting to have threads over controversial topics that only get heated up discussions. I'd rather have this thread closed before it happens again.

Most importantly positivity is not controversial unless it's made to be.
 
AogiriKira said:
>Bill Cipher

XD
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I personally find Bill great for the reasons stated above. He's not a number 1 of all time by any means but I feel like he deserves his spot in at least 11-A.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
AogiriKira said:
>Bill Cipher

XD
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I personally find Bill great for the reasons stated above. He's not a number 1 of all time by any means but I feel like he deserves his spot in at least 11-A.
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Not trying to shit on Bill, but i'm just kind of shocked he's the only Low 2-C on the list.
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
I'll nominate GLaDOS for Unknow.
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Copy+pasted from here:

Just bear with me because I'm not great at, you know, putting my thoughts into words or analyzing things or really anything that would require making a case for an interesting villain.

Spoilers

Motivations: What are their motivations, and how well are they handled?

There's a lot of speculation about why she does what she does. Is it because she's been programmed with the sole purpose of testing, and the inability to do the one thing she was designed to do causes her to break down? Or maybe the Caroline part of her is enraged that they were unable to save Cave's life and so she feels like she can never make it up to him? Or is it just the corrupted part of her that makes her want to kill? Personally I like the first theory the best, but who can really know for sure?

Presence: How much is their presence felt within their story and setting?

In the first game she's the only voice you hear, and the story is told almost exclusively through her slip-ups here and there. She is the facility you're in; she is in control of the shape of how the setting is formed and she can see almost everywhere. It's nigh-impossible to escape from her presence. She literally shapes the ground you walk on.

Threat Level: How much of a threat are they to the main character(s) of their story?

At any point GLaDOS could slice you open with a laser, fill the room with lethally toxic gas, spawn a turret to fill you with lead, etc.

Personality: How complex is the character?

All throughout the first game she sounds deceptively like you're typical Alexa or Siri-esque, robotic AI. But as the story progresses she slips up and drops hints implying there's something more sinister going on. Once you start to go against her, she attempts to get you back on course by lying to you, trying to bond with you, etc. It's not until you get about to her chamber that she drops the facade completely and her voice sounds like that of a psychotic human. And again, there's all the speculation about what really caused her to be so effed up. And there's the whole Caroline storyline in the second game and the fact that she actually ends up saving your life when she could just as easily have left you stranded in space along with Wheatley.

Entertainment Factor: At the end of the day, how entertaining is this villain to see on-screen/on-panel?

Do I even need to give you all the quotable lines from this character? Even people who haven't played the games know them.
Or for a much better overview of what makes her such a memorable villain just read this.
 
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