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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

Natsuki Subaru for rank 12 in tier 9B, His Reaction and perception speed is subrelativistic and his looping just allows him to take Night wing out overtime
he would also beat the courier because of beatrice, I will make a matchup for kamen rider though
 
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Balthasar Gelt

Balthasar Gelt is the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic and one of the Empire's greatest wizards. Supreme Patriarch is the highest attainable position by a wizard within the Empire. The patriarch advises Emperor Karl Franz in all decisions dealing with the arcane. Every few years each...
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So, Gelt. He likes gold. He turns people into gold. Conceptually. With seven layers. And it's thought-based.

And oh by the way he can take control of any Supernatural ability the opponent is throwing out. And probably resists it to 7 layers since he resists about 95% of the hax on the wiki.

So yeah, Gelt probably takes #1 9-B
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
he should not qualify, WH characters has tier 1 soul resistances
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As I've said many times, They're a Grey area. You can APSOLUTELY affect their mind/soul from their body, a piece of it that's 3-D is in it, but the majority of their soul is in the RoC. Doesn't really matter cause the mind/soul in their body is sufficient to things like mindfuck(If you somehow have all of the ridiculous interactions needed to affect them), so yeah.

I've always been fine with them being on the list or off the list, cause they are apsolutely in the gray area of "maybe"
 
Side note, we has this convo last thread and it was accepted that they were non-smurf
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
High 1-A still can have higher scaling
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How the hell can you have higher scaling, higher scaling implies another hierarchy of power, which doesn't make sense if tier High 1-A+ simultaniosly emobides every hierarchy, and possible and impossible world
 
Livinmeme said:
How the hell can you have higher scaling, higher scaling implies another hierarchy of power, which doesn't make sense if tier High 1-A+ simultaniosly emobides every hierarchy, and possible and impossible world
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High 1-A can
High 1-A+ and 0 can't
reread what rakih said
 
DaReaperMan said:
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Balthasar Gelt

Balthasar Gelt is the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic and one of the Empire's greatest wizards. Supreme Patriarch is the highest attainable position by a wizard within the Empire. The patriarch advises Emperor Karl Franz in all decisions dealing with the arcane. Every few years each...
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So, Gelt. He likes gold. He turns people into gold. Conceptually. With seven layers. And it's thought-based.

And oh by the way he can take control of any Supernatural ability the opponent is throwing out. And probably resists it to 7 layers since he resists about 95% of the hax on the wiki.

So yeah, Gelt probably takes #1 9-B
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SatellaTheWoE said:
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Subaru fights for his place in the strongest thread (round 1)

Subaru vs Kamen rider zero one SBA Subaru has beako both are tier 9B speed is equalized
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Forgot to post this here but anyways, Subaru wins in speed equal so he gets rank 12 along with kamen and courier for now
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Shoudnt Downstreamers be on Low 1-A already if not the first? Or because they are a "civilization" it doesnt count?
 
Xue Ying should be above Mundus, he kinda passives him to death.
 
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Typhon vs Vince(nt)

This is a matchup i have always been interested in TYphon from ReZero vs Vince(nt) SBA starting distance is 20m
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Need some eyes on this thread for rank 7 tier 10-C

Edit: Apparently Vince doesnt have any way of resisting Typhons passive so....
Yeah she wins.
Edit 2: Alden Tate,Adeileine and Grool also dont resist it....
Mithra probably has a counter i think? He is unknown in speed while Typhon is Subrel though so she probably blitzes probably an incon?
Typhon should be raised to ATLEAST rank 4 though before we do the Mithra matchup
 
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Now that I think about it, the VS discussion thread on Touhou has been removed, people can start putting them on these lists, right?
 
Livinmeme said:
Aiko as the second strongest 9-B, she gets ultra memed by warhammer bs, but she wins/incons agains the rest
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Lol, no, she gets stopped by Radiance who just madness haxes her let alone anyone higher, such as the several people with CM1, abstracts, or who have powers she just doesn't resist

(Also note, why the **** is dylan on the list, I'm decently sure his plot manip is just straight up tier 2)
 
You can probably bump down Medea in 2-C to 9th spot now. The Mori vs Medea thread has been up for a while with it being 4-5:0 in Moris favor with no more people being interested in it
 
Robo432343 said:
where should re;zero characters be for high 6-A
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Zab is gonna drop an Od upgrade, a Magic/Authority upgrade and a couple other ones. If you just want their current rankings though then Reinhard should be able to beat everyone till Adam, probably same for Reid? so they did be rank 7 imo
Gremmy might beat Satella though
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Zab is gonna drop an Od upgrade, a Magic/Authority upgrade and a couple other ones. If you just want their current rankings though then Reinhard should be able to beat everyone till Adam, probably same for Reid? so they did be rank 7 imo
Gremmy might beat Satella though
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If only Ichigo had the Visionary when he couldn't imagine Chad losing.
 
why is Darquesse over Sirius in tier 7A? Not only does she get blitzed to hell and back she doesnt even resist her passives
Also arthras is strong but Sirius is much faster and would probably win because of that
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
why is Darquesse over Sirius in tier 7A? Not only does she get blitzed to hell and back she doesnt even resist her passives
Also arthras is strong but Sirius is much faster and would probably win because of that
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Darquesse spawns EE fire on her. From 4 kilometers away. Sirius has Superhuman travel speed.

And she ain't beating Arthas, her hax doesn't neg Durability in a way that matters against him and he goes 5-B automatically if you try and physically beat him down overtime.

Speaking of, Daquesse was agreed to go above Arthas cause he didn't resist her EE fire.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Darquesse spawns EE fire on her. From 4 kilometers away. Sirius has Superhuman travel speed.

And she ain't beating Arthas, her hax doesn't neg Durability in a way that matters against him and he goes 5-B automatically if you try and physically beat him down overtime.

Speaking of, Daquesse was agreed to go above Arthas cause he didn't resist her EE fire.
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just being AWARE of Sirius' existence puts you under her hax
also this:
Speed: At least Subsonic (Casually dodged the co-ordinated attacks of 3 Cleavers, outsped and caught arrows from the God-Killer Bow), possibly Supersonic (Described to hit Kitana Kellaway with the speed of a bullet) | At least Subsonic, possibly Supersonic | Omnipresent (Became one with the universe)
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Sirius is literally a million times faster and demolishes her before she even proccesses what is happening
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
just being AWARE of Sirius' existence puts you under her hax
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Then get like "up to Kilometers" onto her range or something, cause varies is insufficient to properly describe the potential upper limits of her range.
SatellaTheWoE said:
also this:


Sirius is literally a million times faster and demolishes her before she even proccesses what is happening
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However, Satella, Sirius has Superhuman travel speed. That is comparable to Arthas on Invincible. Sirius is not crossing that distance before Darquesse pulls a hax that works out of her ass. She has time.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
just being AWARE of Sirius' existence puts you under her hax
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Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.
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Forefather Tian Yu for a spot in 2-B. Passive info Type 2/cm Type 1/EE hax + everything else he has. Countless uni AP and range. Mid-Godly regen, soon to be info/conceptual High-Godly regen.
 
Looked through 2-B and up until at least Earthbound, no one seems to resist Tian Yu's CM Type 1 at all. So he should jump that many levels I think.
 
Planck69 said:
Looked through 2-B and up until at least Earthbound, no one seems to resist Tian Yu's CM Type 1 at all. So he should jump that many levels I think.
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Setsuna_tenma said:
you put him at 11th, he should be above earthbound characters atleast with his haxes
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Yeolban said:
Medea can be taken down to the 9th spot. Like 7-8 people voted for Mori Dan in the vs thread.

I feel like this has been said before...?
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DavidTPPM said:
You can probably bump down Medea in 2-C to 9th spot now. The Mori vs Medea thread has been up for a while with it being 4-5:0 in Moris favor with no more people being interested in it
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Mujin and Mori Dan could probably be bumped up to 5th place in 3-B. Ashura and Chakravartin don't seem to resist their passive mind hax, soul hax, bio hax, cm2+3 hax, + Moris unconventional stat amp would allow him to blitz them regardless of speed equalization
 
DavidTPPM said:
Mujin and Mori Dan could probably be bumped up to 5th place in 3-B. Ashura and Chakravartin don't seem to resist their passive mind hax, soul hax, bio hax, cm2+3 hax, + Moris unconventional stat amp would allow him to blitz them regardless of speed equalization
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what about 4th place
 
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