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So what you're proposing is that it should be based solely on tier/AP?
Because I wouldn't mind that as long as it doesn't come solely from a weapon.
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Because I wouldn't mind that as long as it doesn't come solely from a weapon.
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Yeah essentially.
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It's your thread now, so what do you think?
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Agree
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Sounds fine to me, but since it's Setsuna's Thread, have to make sure he's on board.
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whatever the majority wants i am fine with
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Changing Top 15 Strongest Characters (Poll)
This thread was created in relation to the "Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier" discussion. Currently, to be considered for the list, a character's Tier, Attack Potency (AP), and Striking Strength must be equivalent, with Durability either matching these statistics or exceeding them...
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Gu Chensha's currently accepted High 1-A is already way above YTSY characters (Joshua, Gao).
Joshua and Gao is only baseline High 1-A Meta-quality, while Gu Chensha's accepted High 1-A is baseline High 1-A Meta-meta-quality.
Infinite layers of High 1-A Meta-quality is still way below High 1-A Meta-meta-quality. In fact, any amount of High 1-A Meta-quality layers will always be below baseline High 1-A Meta-meta-quality, just like how any amount of 1-A layers will always be below baseline High 1-A Meta-quality.
I think High 1-A+ should be excluded from the High 1-A list, because for all tiers below it, including High 1-A, there's no difference between High 1-A+ and 0. Also if you include High 1-A+, all of them would be tied.
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There's no difference between Tier 0's, but High 1-A+ can still fight each other based on their skills, abilities, etc. If one High 1-A+ is simply a better fighter than another, they will win, not because they are a higher tier, but because they are 'stronger', if that makes any sense.
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This doesn't really work.
As I have mentioned before, it is possible to have multiple tiers in the same key.
You can have a physical tier, you can have a tier for weaponry, you can have a tier for powers/magic, you can have a tier for certain attacks, amps, forms, etc, all within the same key.
It is simply far easier to only go off of one's physical tier.
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High 1-A+ is the culmination of all possibilities, and powerscaling, with tier 0 trascending it...Uh...Like it matterss because the magician has tier 0 hax
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I wonder, can you edit the OP and add this to the top of the OP? This way people won't miss it.Changing Top 15 Strongest Characters (Poll)
This thread was created in relation to the "Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier" discussion. Currently, to be considered for the list, a character's Tier, Attack Potency (AP), and Striking Strength must be equivalent, with Durability either matching these statistics or exceeding them...vsbattles.com
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What?
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Sorry, engrish moment. High 1-A+ is everything, and anything, so it is kinda stupid to say that you can outhax something that is basically you, and more. And the magician has tier 0 hax
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It doesn't seem overly complex to me, just more fun.
Instead of simply pitting one Tier 2 against another, it's about a character who has a Tier 2 attack—if they can land it, they might win. But if they miss, then you get into the details of whether they would get a second chance, their defenses, and evasive abilities, you know, the fun part of versus battles. In the end, you end up with a much more accurate Top 15 list.
Edit: Also this is already a smurf list, so regardless Characters are going to have abilities, hax, and amps outside of their original Tier.
And as DontTalk mentioned, if people really prefer the current format, we can always create a new list using that older format, depending on how the vote goes, of course.
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In the end, High 1-A+ is a measure of power, indicating the ability to exist, create, destroy, or affect things on a High 1-A+ level. Unlike Tier 0, it does not automatically grant abilities like Omnipotence, Omnipresence, or Omniscience. In the end, how a character uses their High 1-A+ power, as well as their skills, knowledge, and combat ability against other High 1-A+ beings, depends on the individual.
Obviously, a High 1-A+ Being that is literally a toddler in terms of intelligence, would get whooped by a full-grown adult who knows how to use their abilities.
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Captain is actually a 7-D smurf with his summons, Sora is only 5-D with smurfness.
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I know Sora isn't, but Captain IIRC has both 6D and 7D hax in his 2-B key
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Huh. Then Xue Ying should be above Sora but below Captain. 6-D void-hax, cm Type 1, law-hax, mind/soul hax etc. Plus Type 9 dependent on avatars scattered across an infinite 6-D multiverse that can replace him automatically and constantly resurrect each other.
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Yeah I genuinely don't really get what you mean. I am asking you what is the "tier" we are using? People can have a multitude of tiers for different things. That was the point I was making. You didn't really answer that in this response.
Are we using physical tier? Are we using their maximum tier for any of the things they can do in their key?
I don't really see an issue with how it's currently being done.
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If a Character's Tier says, Tier: 9-B, Low 2-C with Magic, then they can qualify for both 9-B and Low 2-C. It's not complex.
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Honkai: Star Rail & Honkai Impact 3rd should share a free spot in Low 1-A.
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If they're not at that tier and just have some random one use attack at that tier, yes.
I am pretty sure this rule first came to be because Unwritten Gilgamesh (and probably others) had tiers through equipments that didn't scale to any of their stats, what exactly is even the point of allowing such cases back?
"Oh look my character is 9C but has a one use nuke, so he deserves a spot in 7B" like, for real? How does this make the list any more accurate? They're not 7B, 7A or any other tier if they aren't that tier by themselves and only have limited ways to be that tier.
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What? In that case, all technology-based characters shouldn't be allowed? After all their high-tier feats rely on their gadgets.
Why is the line being drawn here? Characters can jump from Tier 2 to Tier High 1-A because of some chosen one transformation from a higher being and it's all good, but they pull out Excalibur, and suddenly it's an issue?
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There's no "all x shouldn't be allowed", this is completely case by case, Iron Man for example is a prime example of someone who can get the tier of his armors as they're all around amps... which is already explicitly written in the rules:
"Tiers through amps that increases both Attack Potency and Durability also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology."
I really doubt this has ever been a problem and again, there's no advantage of adding someone with a 1 use nuke to 7B (again, this rule was put in place after such cases started to be added everywhere).
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This really is a discussion that should be happening on the poll thread, not here since that's what the vote is about.
What is the difference between a being with Smurf Hax, because that's just how their verse works, versus a being who has High Tier Gear?
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The difference is one can actually fight in the tier, and the other has to put their hands together and pray they can properly fight enough to not die.
Iron Man is the apt comparison, if your amps do everything, you can apply for the Tier, if it's just a weapon, use it to give yourself a prostrate exam and get the hell back to where your physical stats are.
IMO, a weapon is not indicative of the character's tier, you might have a point if we're talking a magic system, but not weaponry.
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In that case, they wouldn't qualify for, the Top 15 Strongest. It's not like we just throw characters on the list. If they are strong enough to earn a spot, they get it, if not then they aren't.
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My point still stands, High 1-A+ should be excluded from High 1-A list. Make a separate High 1-A+ list if you think High 1-A+ characters can be ranked.
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I kneel
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Going for the first point and ignoring the whole "I don't think a weapon is indicative of your tier" bit.
Also, yes, we literally do! I personally have thrown several characters onto the list that I don't consider all that strong. For god's sake on the non-smurf list in 10-A there's a guy with a 9-B gun and time rewinds when he's killed that I put on there AGES ago!
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A weapon has to be indicative of your tier because we give profile Tiers if they have high-tiered weapons.
I think this could be solved by splitting the Top 15 like DontTalk suggested then. One follows this system, where it's not really the Top 15 Strongest but rather the Top 15 Physically Strongest, and the other where it's just Tier for Tier, no holds bar, winner takes all, regardless of method.
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I don't know about you, but I don't throw characters into matches where just their weapon can deal damage
Sounds like you volunteered to upkeep it! Give the time spent in coding hell my regards will you?
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No that didn't get accepted for gu. It is still in CTR
