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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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Shulk needs to be taken off the 2-B and 2-A sections, he's now purely Low 1-C (6-D) outside of his Tier 7 key. One of the characters in introduced in Xenoblade in the latest revision named "Z" also recently stomped Sora. Considering Z isn't even the God Tier of his verse. "Characters from Xenoblade" would be necessary to put on there to take Sora's place. (Alpha, Alvis, Shulk, Z, etc)
 
You can remove Danny Phantom characters from 4-A and Low 6-B, as well as Dan Phantom from 6-B and Clockwork from High 6-C. Danny Phantom characters are now 2-C so they shouldn't occupy those spaces anymore.
 
Kirinator07 said:
Like I said its serves as a placeholder so no.


It wouldn't make sense otherwise as that's not how Inaccessible Cardinals work, they are High 1-A with all possible uncountables prior to it being scaled.
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Anti-noosphere contains all alephs prior to inaccessible cardinal. So that scales only to it.
 
Gasper said:
Anti-noosphere is High 1-A because it scales to noosphere. And then it has infinite hierarchy of alephs on top of that.
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From Ovens' cosmology blog:

The Noosphere's current High 1-A rating is very closely related to the last bits of information presented in this section(SCP-7650). To recapitulate: It is the World of Platonic Forms that completely transcends the concrete universe, which is its shadow populated by imperfect copies of the abstract ideas existing within itself. These ideas contain and transcend all variations of their particulars, with the concept of a circle for instance including all circle-sphere objects, whether they be a two-dimensional circle, a three-dimensional sphere, a fourth-dimensional hypersphere and any and all hyper-dimensional sphere-like objects. As the last bit states, this inclusion is completely independent of dimensionality, and if, for instance, an object with an inaccessible cardinal's worth of dimensions suddenly came to exist, it would be derived from one of the Forms in the Noosphere regardless.
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The Noosphere contains the idea of aleph numbers and the inaccessible cardinal. Not in the physical sense but in its abstractions.
 
Kirinator07 said:
From Ovens' cosmology blog:


The Noosphere contains the idea of aleph numbers and the inaccessible cardinal. Not in the physical sense but in its abstractions.
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Idea of Alephs is literally in anti-noosphere, not in noosphere. Inaccessible Cardinal is explicitly above even the anti noosphere. And presumably exists in semiosphere.
 
Gasper said:
Idea of Alephs is literally in anti-noosphere, not in noosphere. Inaccessible Cardinal is explicitly above even the anti noosphere. And presumably exists in semiosphere.
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I take it as you haven't read the excerpt carefully as it explains the process of containing imperfect copies of the abstract ideas existing within itself.

"As the last bit states, this inclusion is completely independent of dimensionality, and if, for instance, an object with an inaccessible cardinal's worth of dimensions suddenly came to exist, it would be derived from one of the Forms in the Noosphere regardless."

While you are right at where SCP-5800 is placed at, the truth is that the Noosphere's current rating won't really be affected by SCP-3812's scaling when mathematical concepts are derived as human concepts in the first place and thus exist in the Noosphere.
 
Uh, would Doctor Doom be the strongest 5-B? And would he be a smurf?

  • High 1-B absorption at the literal press of a button, which even works on entities such as Galactus, who has Nonduality (Type 2).
  • Mind Manipulation that is at minimum 2-A but is likely Low 1-A in Potency, maybe higher (His mind-hax could hold Scarlet Witch's mind together against the madness hax of the Tier 1 and very much higher-dimensional Elder God Chthon).
    • For reference, Scarlet Witch could resist the mind hax of the Serpent Crown in "a battle across endless dimensions", and the Serpent Crown is equal to the Darkhold, which has power that "permeates in all realities", with a single "reality" in Marvel being Low 1-A.
    • Edit: Now all telepathic mindhax in Marvel is Low 1-A in potency/range. Naturally, this includes Doom as well, and it's definitely layered since he has mind-haxxed Reed Richards who has resisted telepathy from The Overmind (who could telepathically attack the High 1-B Stranger), the pre-SW Molecule Man, and IIRC the Super Skrull.
  • 4-D Hax Potency via Magic
  • Herald level (aka 3-C/High 3-A) Power Nullification with Magic via Power Nulling Skaar, and it worked on Skaar despite Skaar's energy being gamma radiation, which is accepted to be a Type 1 Concept.
  • Deconstruction that one-shot multiple Herald level (aka High 3-A) beings at once.
  • Up to Herald level (aka High 3-A) Durability with Magic Defenses
  • Has causality manipulation via time travelling, which he once used through time-travelling for years "applying patches to causality"
  • Time Hax (Can casually time travel and can also BFR people to 1 million years in the past with magic)
  • Transmutation that can turn matter into pure energy, something that Doom did even to a tier 1 being like Nightmare (albeit he had to make Nightmare a physical being first, so it's not HDE hax or anything but still impressive)
  • His magic blasts can damage/destroy the enemy's soul, which means even his standard magic has Soul Manipulation.
  • Even in sheer AP, he scales to an impressive 1.2 yottatons, which is barely short of 5-B+, and he can amp himself with 5-B+ energy blades that have one-shot people comparable to his base, as well as go up to 5-A (12 yottatons) with magic.
  • Immortality Types 1, 2, and 6.
  • Type 3 Concept Manipulation with Magic.
  • Can affect/destroy Astral Forms with literally any magic spell or attack he uses, which (among other things) lets him affect beings with Abstract Existence Type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2, Aspects 1, 2, & 3)
  • Also, all of Doom's magic now has Low 1-A Soul Hax, Memory Hax, and personal-scale causality/plot/info type 2 hax.

  • Low 1-A Resistance to Mind Hax, due to resisting mental attacks from 2 Xavier-level telepaths (Emma Frost and Onslaught), who scale to Xavier, who mind-battled the Low 1-A Phoenix Force.
    • Also, resisted the mind hax of the Darkhold, which as mentioned above has Low 1-A potency in its magic.
  • Resistance to Void Manipulation
  • Resistance to 4-D Magic Hax
  • Resistance to High 1-A Madness Manipulation (via no-selling a point-blank Madness attack from the High 1-A Elder God Chthon)
  • Resistance to Deconstruction/Transmutation/Matter Manipulation (Atomic) (Survived the Tier 1 Marquis of Death not only turning his heart to stone and blood to acid, but also literally killing his atoms, and trained every molecule in his body to make sure it'd never happen again)
  • (Limited) Resistance to Durability Negation: His inner body survived his blood literally being turned to acid, plus his heart being turned to stone. A matter of mere minutes after this was inflicted on him, he managed to recover without too much issue, though he was still weakened.
  • Immune to Time Stops
  • Resists Biological Manipulation that was affecting the entire world through sheer psychic energy.
  • Layered Resistance to Corruption (and it is also likely Low 1-A since it is from resisting the Darkhold)
  • Layered Resistance to Possession
  • Resistance to Soul Manipulation/Destruction (On the Low 1-A level due to all magic destroying Astral Forms which are Low 1-A in nature. He also no-sold the soul hax of the Darkhold which has Low 1-A potency)
  • Resistance to Statistics Reduction and Power Nullification
  • Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation
 
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@Eseseso He definitely wouldn't be the strongest 5-B as, from my knowledge, the 1st and 2nd placement have 1-A/High 1-A hax's. I however added him to the list since he does seemingly beat Arthas after reading through his capabilities.
 
Deceived3596 said:
I have added the requested changes.

@Eseseso He definitely wouldn't be the strongest 5-B as, from my knowledge, the 1st and 2nd placement have 1-A/High 1-A hax's.
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Holy shit, really?

Goddamn. Even after Marvel gets that Low 1-A upgrade (instead of Low 1-C), Doom STILL won't have the best mind hax and absorption around.

How do places 3-5 beat him?

Deceived3596 said:
I however added him to the list since he does seemingly beat Arthas after reading through his capabilities.
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Does WoW have any tier 1 smurf hax?
 
Eseseso said:
Uh, would Doctor Doom be the strongest 5-B? And would he be a smurf?

1. Tier 1 absorption
2. His mindhax and possession have worked on Reed Richards, who resisted the Molecule Man who even pre-Secret Wars was Tier 1 via shaking the Marvel Multiverse. His mindhax also scales to his mindhax resistance since both are shown to be powered by his supernatural willpower, thus they have the same source.
2.5. In addition, his mindhax resistance scales to 2 Xavier-level people, who obviously both scale in mindhax to Xavier, who fought the Phoenix in a mind battle on "the Infinite Planes" of Reality, so Tier 1 Mindhax resistance
3. Powernull that worked on someone who could control the 2-C Mjolnir
4. Even in raw power he scales to an impressive 1.2 yottatons, which is barely short of 5-B+.
5. With prep time he even has causality manipulation.
6. Time hax (Can casually time travel and can also BFR people to 1 million years in the past with magic)
7. Plot Manipulation with the Prime Mover (though this is prep-time only)
8. With prep-time, tier 1 reality hax that prevented a tier 1 entity (Nightmare) from corrupting an entire nation.
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How good are his other resistances? I might suggest Toaru's 5Bs to share a spot with Doom.
 
XDragnoir said:
How good are his other resistances? I might suggest Toaru's 5Bs to share a spot with Doom.
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Let's see, asides from Tier 1 mindhax resistance (best ones are bolded and underlined):
  • Hacking resistance that I believe is layered
  • Resistance to Tier 1 Deconstruction/Transmutation/Matter Manipulation (Survived the Tier 1 Marquis of Death not only turning his heart to stone and blood to acid, but also literally killing his atoms, and trained every molecule in his body to make sure it'd never happen again)
  • Completely laughs off electricity even from people as strong as Thor
  • Resists both Emphatic Manipulation and Statistics Reduction
  • Resists Fusionism
  • Resisted possession from someone who could possess a Ghost Rider that was already possessed by a Tier 1 Nightmare. So his possession resistance is not just layered, but likely scales above Nightmare's possession.
  • Immune to time stops
  • Resists Biological Manipulation that was affecting the entire world through sheer telepathy
  • Resistant to Light Manipulation and Madness Manipulation
  • Resistant to both Radiation Manipulation and Sound Manipulation
  • Resists Dream Manipulation, even from beings as powerful as Mephisto
He may have some more great resistances coming in based on this one feat that needs staff approval, but that's taking a while.
 
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Eseseso said:
Let's see, asides from Tier 1 mindhax resistance (best ones are bolded and underlined):
  • Hacking resistance that I believe is layered
  • Resistance to Tier 1 Deconstruction/Transmutation/Matter Manipulation (Survived the Tier 1 Marquis of Death not only turning his heart to stone and blood to acid, but also literally killing his atoms, and trained every molecule in his body to make sure it'd never happen again)
    • His Forcefield also resists molecule manipulation from Vision
He may have some more great resistances coming in based on this one feat that needs staff approval, but that's taking a while.
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How high in tier 1 are we talking about here? Also, I doubt it, but does he have any passives?
 
XDragnoir said:
How high in tier 1 are we talking about here? Also, I doubt it, but does he have any passives?
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Well the MoD doesn't have a profile but he is superior to Eternity, who right now is a Low 1-C but will soon be Low 1-A if the Marvel Abstract revisions ever conclude.

As for passives, I don't think he has any excluding maybe with prep.
 
Change Tensura characters in 3A from "Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Web Novel (Mainly Rimuru Tempest)"

Greeza should be removed here as well as in the non-smurf thread.

Rimuru has NEP 1 Aspect 2, 4 that Satan won't even interact with and smurf immortality type 9. So Rimuru should at least share 8th spot with Satan.

Since Satan is a fully 3D character, Rimuru should be able to defeat him with a 4D hax. But since Rimuru's Pseudo True Dragon (3A) key needs some edits, it's okay for them to share the same spot for now.
 
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