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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation
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Added SCP-682 alongside SCP-3812 in 1-A.
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As far as I’ve been made aware, WoD and SCP are on equal standing.
Udlmaster
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I am also wondering what makes 3812 or 682 beat Yahweh or Mages
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High-level beings in Bastard are made of the ''spirit'' and ''soul'', the former is an equivalence to consciousness which is ontologically inferior to the latter, in a literal sense. The soul treats the spirit the same way it sees the physical body, it is fundamentally more abstract than what that law manip can affect.
Incapping via law is nice and all, affecting the lessor component is in no way harmful to the entirety, however. This is all on the Augoeides's tab if you are wondering. So yeah Virgo isn't interacting with Uriel or DS any time soon, not to mention their Mid-godly regen, which is basically an overkill
On top of that, to even have a chance to face bastard!! souls, he would need to specifically travel to the dimension in which the soul resides. And even then, he would learn that he is powerless cuz of the above. While Shaka struggles going through all of these, a single punch from Uriel will utterly end the saint's career, and DS with his overwhelming arsenal.
Now I think about it, how would Uriel deal with madness type 3 in the first place? Can't see resistance on his profile which means Uriel stands.
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so what your saying is that the soul can work independently from the body even with causality being frozen over? so the soul has resistance to law manipulation?
edit: as in the soul can separate itself (from the users body) to fight independently without the need for a body?*
Edit 2: the only thing Shaka would be doing is freezing the users body with law manipulation by stopping any and all causality also subsequently brain activity too along with that. its not killing the opponent but changing the laws of causality. its similar to time stop, or spatial stop but instead its neither of those but Causality "stop" through Law Manipuilation
Edit 3: what do these punches have? because that would require them getting close to a saint which would already be difficult for various reasons due to their passives. and any phyiscal contact would just result in the physical body being atomized on contact so unless there is matter manipulation resistance down to quarks.. your probably not getting passed that cosmo defense on a physical level, and even before an attack makes contact you have to go through millions of degrees of heat which could likely incinerate someone without proper resistance.
Edit 4: also no counters to super natural patalyzation because again its not killing. its just stopping the physical body from moving. unless the soul can act independently from the body or if there is thought based attacks. this further incaps the body outside of Law Manipulation.
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I'm saying the soul's level of abstraction is beyond what the law hax has shown to affect.
even the spirit is independent of the physical body. As long as higher essences are still intact, reconstructing/creating the lower is perpetual, that's how Eternal Atoms work.
I'm arguing that with Mid-godly regen, creating new bodies, spirits, or souls is totally possible especially with Uriel, his Augoeides can revive him after having lost the sacred trio from causality. That is a direct counter to Tenbu Horin from what I read, though the major point is whether Virgo could withstand Uriel's passive in the first place (again mind you Shaka has no way to win, it's now either he struggles a bit and got erased beyond preparing, or just straight up be passively haxed, and lose).
I'm taking all this without even remembering Dispel bounds stuff, oh well
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again Shaka isn't killing him. there isn't any destruction at all going on. from what i seen the regen, and stuff only matters if your destroying the soul, body, etc. but thats not whats happening.
Can the spirit operate without the need of a physical body, does it need a vessel to contain it to even fight back.
has the characters been shown to fight with only their spirit/soul without a body? think of a bleach character like ichigo under special circumstances he can exit his body as a soul to fight.
Can he do that? because if not. The soul gets trapped in the body by law manipulation unable to move.
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thing is he can resurrect from the total loss of those means he can disregard them, the same reason why Low-godly regen users can normally counter physical absorption, because the physical body to them is pretty much meaningless as they can create new ones.
If you had read the profile you would know angels/devils are intrinsically ethereal beings, they don't possess a material body initially, they have Avt creation and possession for that. That's literally why it's said that not only the body, but the spirit and soul also have to be annihilated in a battle between astral beings, since they can just fully reconstruct and technically create new bodies so long as their ore fundamental aspects exist.
How can the law hax even affect layered/enhanced AE again? If you're saying he can trap the soul via keeping the body then idk, didn't the P5 clearly demonstrate that the soul is of another plane of existence/dimension to the body
Angels/Devils nature resides in the Astral plane, which is a different plane of existence, a separate dimension isolated from the material plane[16], which is the Physical universe/Human world
Multilocation (Eternal Atoms which constructed all of the Body, Spirit/Mind and Soul exist simultaneously on separate dimensions/planes of existence)
Multilocation (Eternal Atoms which constructed all of the Body, Spirit/Mind and Soul exist simultaneously on separate dimensions/planes of existence)
And you still haven't answered the point if Virgo can endure madness type 3, erasure of the body, consciousness/emotion and ''soul'' first, otherwise Uriel basically stands. Given that he can somehow get through those, a simple punch containing angelic/divine energy will just end him anyway
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uh... this editing kind is a bit annoying IMO
It's layered EE on all levels of existence, in this case they are: physical, astral (consciousness/emotions) and the soul which is more abstract than that. Dispel bounds can take care of that since it prevents any external impacts to every aspect, kinda an unconventional resistance to all kinds of matter manip and NPI that affects the spirit or the soul.
Plus, Dispel bounds have their own EE ability, and also possess that ability to erase Eternal Atoms(all levels) while being 1 layer less in potency. Angels/Devils will comfortably resist those deconstructions and heat stuff after the next Crt. If you are still not convinced about their resistance currently, there is still DB constant erasure in close range. EA regeneration would ensure the physical body is intact while dispel bounds passively do their jobs
as answered above. The soul has nothing to do with the material body as it can straight up form new ones, with actual feats of doing that
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How did Uriel incon* Odin then? sounds like he could beat him and the only thing odin has going for him is just his regen
which iirc being unkillable with no wincon doesn't let you get a spot anymore
in which case shouldn't "Characters from Bastards!!!" take 3rd spot?
im not really seeing anything impressive on odins profile
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It's not linked on either profile, and if he "dunks" why is uriel not in a spot below him, or placement on 3rd being "characters from bastards?"
Just curious is all and due to irl stuff not in a spot to search fir the thread so please forgive me for that.
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odin has spatial manipulation that creates infinite space between him and his opponent, concept and law hax
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with how that High-godly regen works, it can revert Odin's existential state up to the conceptual aspect, which means mind hax or stuff would also get erased automatically. So, Uriel stands and Odin would be trapped in a loop where he constantly gets EE, Mind/empathic haxxed... But @MagiSinbad argued that Uriel would also get trapped alongside since should he move to another place, Odin would spam stuff on a universal conceptual level and hence bypass all that defensive layers (bastard has yet reached the concepts categories).
DS won due to (enhanced) sealing
well partially because the profiles are outdated, there has been a thread for revision but still haven't been updated for some reasons
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Here is the thread where Odin fought DS
Basically to tldr
Odin drops layers of concept manip on him that just kill and he can't regen because the damage he does has the same regen as him, basically, if he were to say cut someone with a knife that wound wouldn't heal as that wound basically has HGR on it and he should be able to apply this to all of his attacks
Pull a Gojo and make an infinite space between the two while also just making the space between the two zero so he can attack without Uriel being able to respond, or just bfr him
Change or just make new laws and concepts that don't let him do anything, for example, making a law that says "Uriel cannot regen", "Uriel cannot use his powers", etc etc
And all of this requires concept manip to counter and layered concept manip at that, so if anything this is just a veritable stomp of a match
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The empathic aura stuff have mountainous range so pretty much, it affected seemingly the whole kingdom and can be felt even when characters have stayed far enough to avoid those dark particles surrounding his colossal body.
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To elaborate, this isn't a ragdoll character for that tier. He has passive powernull, subjective reality, law manipulation (5D/9D), paralysis and mind manipulation. Well, the verse has the soul acting as the mind so this is mostly irrelevant and only 3-A and up of the verse can mindhax anything. So it's only potent for him at his tier if another verse treats the mind that way.
He also has EE, death and sleep manipulation with his eyes.
He passively beats Arale the same way Ghost Emperor Yama does with his law manipulation and immortality (type 4) negation. Unlike Yama that dies to her and revives, Crown Prince/Eternal Millennium doesn't die to her, unless she gains 5-D, possibly 9-D immortality (Type 8) negation. Which lets him act with reckless abandon in the lower worlds as a pseudo-MC because he is connected to heaven (God World his true self).
Funnily, the translator says his name is 太子 and is similar to 天子 (son of heaven).
Even if he somehow dies, you need immortality (Type 4) negation to negate his revive for not only his nascent divinity but also whatever technique he used ready to die in any way because he'd just be reborn... Until Yang Qi told him no you won't LMAO XD.
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Also the The Lucky Dinosaur has to take the 1st place in 3-A, after his friendly and balanced fight with Kingprotea.
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What exactly does 3-A Xue Ying have that puts him above D?
I can't find anything that'll allow him to negate D's High-Godly nor anything that'll allow him to resist The Akashic Records haxs.
I can't find anything that'll allow him to negate D's High-Godly nor anything that'll allow him to resist The Akashic Records haxs.
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Would Arale's passive Plot work against passive Concept/Information/Thought Drain?
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xue ying has 5D resistances as well
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3 Issues with this
1: Due to IP2 as well as other innate factors, Arale possesses no mind in the conventional sense
2: And Arale has Precognition so she would see that coming and know to not look at him assuming it could work
3: Arale can still operate completely independent of her mind and thoughts so mind drain (again assuming it works) would not stop her from working
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Doesn't matter anymore, as the Memeovore was upgraded to Low 2-C.
The drain works on conceptual beings and aberrations like the Time Warlords and the TARDIS if they have direct contact, It not only steals the thoughts and the mind, but also any type of information
The Memeovore has its own Cosmic Sense that can tell him what Arale is doing, plus it can just walk out of the future, also the passive drain is when you look at the Memeovore.
Arale would be crushed by the size of the Memeovore and her design information would be lost.
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I'm looking at the list for the strongest 9-B's, shouldn't MSPA Reader (Pesterquest Key) have a spot? He has the retcon powers like John Egbert does, including Type 5 Acausality
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the whale has infinite layers of high 1-A, some scp has tier 0 hax iirc
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P sure 1/3 of 0 is superior the Infinite High 1-A layers.
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Isn't 1/3rd of 0, well, 0?
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If I had to guess.... If there's three entities that are only tier 0 while together.
Similar to how DB people are 1/2 2-C because some characters are only 2-C while together.
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Well, if you want to divide things, then they still not beating 3125 as it supposed to be half into tier 0 in it's second key.
Who is superor, 1/3 of tier 0 or 1/2 of tier 0?
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What makes 3125 1/2 of a Tier 0?
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Exactly that. Though the Tier 0 entity was first, and broke apart into the three entities, rather than the 3 entities forming into something new.
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