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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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Just from the simple fact that Ji is 5th place in the non-smurf list already make completely absurd that he somehow end as third place in the smurf one.
 
that's what I'm wondering, like why Ji ning is at fifth place at the non-smurf while at this thread he's at the third place
 
Priority skills are available to anyone who is an agent of Alovenus, Libra, Dina, and Pisces have it.

Dina is the most broken, since basically all the stuff she usually use is priority skills ie mind hax.

Pisces is too arrogant to use his off the bat, and if the person is ugly, he won't do it unless he has no choice.

Libra's Brachium is her first move, it ignores resistances, always happen first yadda yadda, but can be overcome with high enough HP, you can't stop it from hitting you, but it deals a fix amount of damage, if your HP is above that damage, you survive, though you have to be like 5-B to survive.

All in all as i have said before, this stuff isn't passive, so all you would need to beat them is somebody with a passive they don't resist.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
but can be overcome with high enough HP
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This part is kinda weird tbh, there is a direct statement for this even though Brachium can directly destroy souls. The heroes in context are spirits summoned by Pollux's Argonautai

When they talked about you need an appropriate HP (100k) to overcome Brachium, does that imply the HP in question is not the physical durability, but rather that of the soul/spirit?
 
Void < Primal Chaos < Lifeless & Destructionless < Lifeless-Destructionless Nirvanic-Destruction Kalpa Body Magic < Lifeless & Destructionless 2.0 (Unbound Will Convergence Level) < Half-Annulled < Half-Annulled within Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana < Half-Annulled a layer deeper than Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana < Half-Annulled two or more layers deeper than Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana (Sovereign Lord & True-Devil incognito mode) < Probably what Yang Qi can do since he surpasses King Immortal-Slayer, the Sovereign Lord and the True-Devil combined < The Annulled.
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Properties that one up each other. As far as am aware, there are only 2 possible additions to this chain. If you can build a longer one for Wukong, then Yang Qi can't interact with him.

But remember his passives, they don't only affect the opponent, they're also targeted towards attacks at him. Like powernull, him fate haxing so that those attacks are never fated to affect him, him law haxing them to his benefit, him reflecting them, him erasing them.

If you can get past those passives, there is also him power modifying the ability so long as he sees it. If you can get past that, you need to close his mouth, because what he'll say becomes truth. For example if he says "this isn't happening."

Of-course, this is all under the assumption it not only bypasses his layers of resistance, it also disregards his subjective reality. If so, contact me and Wukong will be placed above Yang Qi ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°).

Lastly, if you're using his first or second key, he has 2 immortality type (8). His third key does not.
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
Properties that one up each other. As far as am aware, there are only 2 possible additions to this chain. If you can build a longer one for Wukong, then Yang Qi can't interact with him.

But remember his passives, they don't only affect the opponent, they're also targeted towards attacks at him. Like powernull, him fate haxing so that those attacks are never fated to affect him, him law haxing them to his benefit, him reflecting them, him erasing them.

If you can get past those passives, there is also him power modifying the ability so long as he sees it. If you can get past that, you need to close his mouth, because what he'll say becomes truth. For example if he says "this isn't happening."

Of-course, this is all under the assumption it not only bypasses his layers of resistance, it also disregards his subjective reality. If so, contact me and Wukong will be placed above Yang Qi ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°).

Lastly, if you're using his first or second key, he has 2 immortality type (8). His third key does not.
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Here's Wukong NEP chain:

Nonexistence in Non-Nonexistence (Everything existent in JTTW contains nonexistence.) < Void/Nonexistence/Nonexistent Spirits (Basic nonexistence.) < Transcendent Monks (Transduality Nonexistence) < Void of Void (Recursion of nonexistence within nonexistence) < Bodhisattva Emptiness/first stop (Every Bodihssatva is Nonexistent by nature and goes through ten stages while approaching true emptiness each superior to the last on each stage. Still has Transdual NEP as well.) < 2nd stop < 3rd stop < 4th stop < 5th stop < 6th stop < 7th stop < 8th stop < 9th stop < 10th stop < Buddha Emptiness/Great Void (True Emptiness beyond the false nonexistence of what came before it and everything existent and nonexistent.) < Dharmakaya (Existing beyond the state of True Emptiness as the only Real Void/Formless thing, nondual superior to transduality.)

What he says becomes truth? The Buddha is the mind and the mind is the Buddha, Wukong could make anything happen with just a thought with his Dharma powers which was agreed upon to outright negate regen high godly and all resistances and possibly immunities as well as changing other people's powers as well. Wukong's subjective reality is a subjective reality that negates resistances to subjective reality by a long shot.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Here's Wukong NEP chain:

Nonexistence in Non-Nonexistence (Everything existent in JTTW contains nonexistence.) < Void/Nonexistence/Nonexistent Spirits (Basic nonexistence.) < Transcendent Monks (Transduality Nonexistence) < Void of Void (Recursion of nonexistence within nonexistence) < Bodhisattva Emptiness/first stop (Every Bodihssatva is Nonexistent by nature and goes through ten stages while approaching true emptiness each superior to the last on each stage. Still has Transdual NEP as well.) < 2nd stop < 3rd stop < 4th stop < 5th stop < 6th stop < 7th stop < 8th stop < 9th stop < 10th stop < Buddha Emptiness/Great Void (True Emptiness beyond the false nonexistence of what came before it and everything existent and nonexistent.) < Dharmakaya (Existing beyond the state of True Emptiness as the only Real Void/Formless thing, nondual superior to transduality.)
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If ActuallySpaceMan agrees to this, then Sun Wukong beats Yang Qi in NEP.
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What he says becomes truth? The Buddha is the mind and the mind is the Buddha, Wukong could make anything happen with just a thought with his Dharma powers which was agreed upon to outright negate regen high godly and all resistances and possibly immunities as well as changing other people's powers as well. Wukong's subjective reality is a subjective reality that negates resistances to subjective reality by a long shot.
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Which is all pointless since Yang Qi's resistance layers and negation is above Sun Wukong like in the last match unless something has changed?
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
Which is all pointless since Yang Qi's resistance layers and negation is above Sun Wukong like in the last match unless something has changed?
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In the last match Wukong would've won if yang qi never had passives but they didn't take account of the NEP chain and thought that both of their NEP would cancel each other out but now we realized that isn't the case.
 
Because it's getting ridiculous plus it's not just for scaling chain, a lot of verses have to do that, don't know why you would be an expectation
 
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In the last match Wukong would've won if yang qi never had passives but they didn't take account of the NEP chain and thought that both of their NEP would cancel each other out but now we realized that isn't the case.
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He lost in the last match because he had no ability that worked while anything of Yang Qi worked.

I feel like you didn't get my point before, even if Yang Qi can't interact with Sun Wukong, the latter still has to not only negate Yang Qi's resistances to whatever abilities he casts, he also has to get past the passives that stop the activation of those abilities on Yang Qi.
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
He lost in the last match because he had no ability that worked while anything of Yang Qi worked.

I feel like you didn't get my point before, even if Yang Qi can't interact with Sun Wukong, the latter still has to not only negate Yang Qi's resistances to whatever abilities he casts, he also has to get past the passives that stop the activation of those abilities on Yang Qi.
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He does, that would be his Dharma powers, it's just that he wasn't able to resist the passive hax that Yang Qi has awhile back, until the recent CRT which gave him many new resistances and immunities.
 
Have any of you tried to ask DT (who revised NEP) if there actually something like NEP layers (not different types like the Nature or Types but actually layers)? Because I'm pretty sure that before the revisions any time it was mentioned something like NEP layers both staff and people in general claimed that that don't existed, but well maybe after the revisions that changed so I think it's better to ask DT about the matter to confirm.
 
Never mind his resistances, immunities or NEP scaling chain. It doesn't matter if he can't interact-with/affect Sun Wukong, his passives like I said before, also affect attacks. Unless that Dharma is 10D hax, everything he throws at Yang Qi is negated. We're talking about being placed above Yang Qi, not incon him.

I won't be replying here anymore regarding this probably because we're irritating everyone. Anyways make the CRT and this discussion should be moved to the Sun Wukong vs Yang Qi match (which is still open BTW)
 
Also another thing, in this type of threads the most important thing is defeat the opponent, so if the main reason someone is there is do to be difficult to be interacted then that is usually ignored, examples be characters with acausality which basically no one can interact but that without that other characters would defeat them do to having more potent haxs.
 
Does anyone in
6-A, 5-A,4-C, 4-A(in its lowest rank and 2-B(in its lowest rank)
Resist 5D fate hax and law hax or 4D absorption or has 4D hax.
And uh 5D bfr for 2-B if thats even worth considering
 
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in 2-B Arceus has a ton of Layered 4D Hax hax. Also it passively negs basically all 4D hax (super layered Passive Powernull with layered Resistence neg) it also has type 9 on a Low 1-C which is Acasuality type 4
 
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in 2-B Arceus has a ton of Layered 4D Hax hax. Also it passively negs basically all 4D hax (super layered Passive Powernull with layered Resistence neg) it also has type 9 on a Low 1-C which is Acasuality type 4
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Hmmm then bahamut can prolly EE him. Whats his regen level again? If not he can be 5D bfr and 5D pnull
immo 9 wouldnt do much since range is pretty much 5D now
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Hmmm then bahamut can prolly EE him. Whats his regen level again? If not he can be 5D bfr and 5D pnull
immo 9 wouldnt do much since range is pretty much 5D now
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how does the EE work. His Regen level is currently Mid Godly overtime (But also irrelevent as anything that can EE him would bypass it). 5D BFR wouldn't work on its true form for the same reason it already has 5D range and he could simply BFR)
Also how fast is this stuff as if it is not passive (or super fast thought based). It will not even be activated before Arceus basically uses everything
 
Nicol Bolas has 5D Resistance to Magic and has methods to deal with Fate Hax, Absorption, and 4D hax in general. Oh and 2-A Range and Travel to deal with BFR.
 
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Nicol Bolas has 5D Resistance to Magic and has methods to deal with Fate Hax, Absorption, and 4D hax in general. Oh and 2-A Range and Travel to deal with BFR.
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2-A travel iirc wont work on 5D bfr iirc but since it is last resort method bolas prolly have methods to incap or kill first.
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how does the EE work. His Regen level is currently Mid Godly overtime (But also irrelevent as anything that can EE him would bypass it). 5D BFR wouldn't work on its true form for the same reason it already has 5D range and he could simply BFR)
Also how fast is this stuff as if it is not passive (or super fast thought based). It will not even be activated before Arceus basically uses everything
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It is layered mid god neg that works against even for people who resist.
His causality and fate hax works on type 2 and type 4 acausal.
Basically the being is 5D in physiology (basically for him a 5D realm is just a canvass for him) and his powernull is passive and his stronger powernull that can also erase even abilities,concept, law or even type 2 information is thought based. If arceus hax isnt 5D i dont think any of those would work even if he can launch them all at once
 
Aight just asking. The crt got accepted but still not applied. I will propose characters once all valid character profiles have been updated
 
Lol, you are quick, i was just about to post that, but yea Kuro should be there too due to 5-D smurf hax and resistances.

So "Characters from Isekai at Peace".
 
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