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My apologies, but we need to follow our standards even for characters that we really like.
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My apologies, but we need to follow our standards even for characters that we really like.
Need this closed then?Y'all better not wait for me because after what Ant said, I immediately lost interest on this thread entirely, and I make Phoenks words mine.
Can someone get Super genius by scaling to someone who is?Look, as the full quote regarding our Supergenius requirements quite clearly shows, there should be a combination of reality-warping versatility and literally infinite power in order to qualify.
Goku is different from Celestials.. in the sense that The Celestials are Higher D and BDE in terms of existence and power, while Goku is only Low 1-C based on AP.For example, if an inventor's only claim to fame is to create a gun that can hurt the Low 1-C game version of Goku, that should not qualify.
Wouldn't this be sufficient enough to warrant Super genius?"And in-verse, the gap between him and Reed or Doom has always been treated as fairly small. And here, "Lord Thor" also says that his technology was nearly a match for Asgardian wizardry. Him singling out Iron Man when talking about massive threats to his reign, even when other characters like Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange attacked him, feels significant."
Preferably not, especially given the enormous inconsistencies and conflicting writer biases or uninformed evaluations by them in Marvel Comics. We have our standards and they have theirs, and we scale from actual feats, versatility, and power output.Can someone get Super genius by scaling to someone who is?
Yes, but I used an example for that one trick pony attack potency scale alone is not remotely sufficient to qualify.Goku is different from Celestials.. in the sense that The Celestials are Higher D and BDE in terms of existence and power, while Goku is only Low 1-C based on AP.
No, those are just opinions, not proven feats of accomplishment.Wouldn't this be sufficient enough to warrant Super genius?
I guess that more or less discounts the Celestial Hulkbuster, since that was a hollowed out corpse that he stole from Knull. Same for the Phoenix buster since he had outside help (granted I don't remember that part of the story)I am seeing some confusion on the qualifiers here so Imma just leave this here and y'all can decide:
I put the key points being argued here in bold. From the looks of it, you do need to show versatility on top of sheer AP. Neutral for now.
Also I would like to know if Tony made those armors from scratch since that seems to be a requirement too.
Valid points.I guess that more or less discounts the Celestial Hulkbuster, since that was a hollowed out corpse that he stole from Knull. Same for the Phoenix buster since he had outside help (granted I don't remember that part of the story)
As for the eScape, what are our standards for virtual realities being considered real universes? Should they have a proper space-time continuum to count? Because otherwise the eScape is not a real universe but a rather complex VR.
I agree with this for now. Though I am skeptical that in all these years, Tony didn't accumulate enough scans for versatility.I think at best Tony's Tier 1 armors are good as supporting evidence for Supergenius, same with the Thor statement I provided. I am curious about the eScape though.
Right now, I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" would be best. The stories certainly imply that he is intended to be on almost the same level as Reed and Doom, but he hasn't shown enough direct stuff to warrant a solid rating based on this wiki's standards.
Thorbuster was made using a magical energy source given to him by Thor. Celestial Hulkbuster was reverse-engineered. Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenix Buster were made from scratch I think, but Phoenix Buster was collaborative with Hank Pym.I agree with this for now. Though I am skeptical that in all these years, Tony didn't accumulate enough scans for versatility.
About the tier 1 armors. Were they made from scratch? Or did Tony reverse engineer tier 1 equipment. Making them from scratch is clearly stated as a requirement.
So I guess Godkiller Mk2 is the best option since all the others had some sort of advantage. But it makes me curious, is Godkiller Mk2 a derivative of Godkiller Mk1? If so, was Godkiller Mk1 tier 1 and made from scratch?Thorbuster was made using a magical energy source given to him by Thor. Celestial Hulkbuster was reverse-engineered. Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenix Buster were made from scratch I think, but Phoenix Buster was collaborative with Hank Pym.