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My apologies, but we need to follow our standards even for characters that we really like.
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Tony Stark Intelligence Upgrade (Comics)
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Need this closed then?
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Pretty sure most people think Ant's claims are ridiculous. I don't have Iron Man scans so I can't exactly just take over the thread, but like... there's already more than enough to say the guy is supergenius and you have a vote in favor of that in the form of Lephyr.
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Look, as the full quote regarding our Supergenius requirements quite clearly shows, there should be a combination of reality-warping versatility and literally infinite power in order to qualify. For example, if an inventor's only claim to fame is to create a gun that can hurt the Low 1-C game version of Goku, that should not qualify.
Personal accusations, agitation, and hostility towards me are misdirected and unnecessary here. Currently I think that Tony qualifies for either "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius" or "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius", but to achieve a certain Supergenius rating somebody needs to prove that he is extremely versatile in terms of his types of inventions, preferably by listing several good examples here. I am not unreasonable in that regard.
Personal accusations, agitation, and hostility towards me are misdirected and unnecessary here. Currently I think that Tony qualifies for either "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius" or "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius", but to achieve a certain Supergenius rating somebody needs to prove that he is extremely versatile in terms of his types of inventions, preferably by listing several good examples here. I am not unreasonable in that regard.
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Can someone get Super genius by scaling to someone who is?
Goku is different from Celestials.. in the sense that The Celestials are Higher D and BDE in terms of existence and power, while Goku is only Low 1-C based on AP.
Wouldn't this be sufficient enough to warrant Super genius?
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Preferably not, especially given the enormous inconsistencies and conflicting writer biases or uninformed evaluations by them in Marvel Comics. We have our standards and they have theirs, and we scale from actual feats, versatility, and power output.
For example, Marvel's editorial department has heavily tried to (suddenly) promote Moon Girl as more intelligent than either Reed Richards or Doctor Doom, but she would still have to prove it through her own feats before we rate her beyond Extraordinary Genius.
Yes, but I used an example for that one trick pony attack potency scale alone is not remotely sufficient to qualify.
No, those are just opinions, not proven feats of accomplishment.
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I guess that more or less discounts the Celestial Hulkbuster, since that was a hollowed out corpse that he stole from Knull. Same for the Phoenix buster since he had outside help (granted I don't remember that part of the story)
As for the eScape, what are our standards for virtual realities being considered real universes? Should they have a proper space-time continuum to count? Because otherwise the eScape is not a real universe but a rather complex VR.
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Valid points.
I wish the supporters would actually put efforts into explaining why Tony meets the standards instead of whining about standards and bias. If someone thinks the standards are bs then make a CRT to change them instead of whining about them in a CRT about iron man.
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I think at best Tony's Tier 1 armors are good as supporting evidence for Supergenius, same with the Thor statement I provided. I am curious about the eScape though.
Right now, I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" would be best. The stories certainly imply that he is intended to be on almost the same level as Reed and Doom, but he hasn't shown enough direct stuff to warrant a solid rating based on this wiki's standards.
Right now, I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" would be best. The stories certainly imply that he is intended to be on almost the same level as Reed and Doom, but he hasn't shown enough direct stuff to warrant a solid rating based on this wiki's standards.
HelloThere1089
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I agree with this for now. Though I am skeptical that in all these years, Tony didn't accumulate enough scans for versatility.
About the tier 1 armors. Were they made from scratch? Or did Tony reverse engineer tier 1 equipment. Making them from scratch is clearly stated as a requirement.
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Thorbuster was made using a magical energy source given to him by Thor. Celestial Hulkbuster was reverse-engineered. Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenix Buster were made from scratch I think, but Phoenix Buster was collaborative with Hank Pym.
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So I guess Godkiller Mk2 is the best option since all the others had some sort of advantage. But it makes me curious, is Godkiller Mk2 a derivative of Godkiller Mk1? If so, was Godkiller Mk1 tier 1 and made from scratch?
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