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Part 1 has 3 supersonic feats, 2 of which are done by high tiers (at that time), Half Kakuja Kaneki and Arata Armor Amon. Ayato's supersonic required acceleration from his kagune, and isnt his normal movement speed.
To be fair, Base Shinohara (human) is able to react and parry an attack from kakuja kaneki.
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As such, part mid tiers can potentially get supersonic
My issue with labeling everyone (in part 1) as supersonic is that guns are still effective against ghouls, with most bullet timing feats in part 1 being potential aim dodging. Ghouls are usually faster than the shooters can aim, not necessarily the bullets themselves.
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Support for this is lower tier ghouls getting tagged with bullets here:
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That said, even fodder ghouls can be fte, and ghoul investigators can move a few meters in 0.1 seconds (assuming 5m gets 111 mph)
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So as per the speed page, subsonic to maybe subsonic+ seems fine for the lower tiers in part 1
Part 2 has 2 direct supersonic feats from lower tier characters (Naki and Hinami), alongside Ayato having supersonic attack speed (which other characters react to) alongside possibly being as fast as his own darts, all after a 2 year time skip.
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Guns are still used, but are not nearly as effective on characters in this part.
part 2 also has this feat:
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Mach 9 for naki's friends
My potential issue with using this feat is that these two cannot use their kagune to amp themselves, and most likely did not get faster in the timeskip
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gagi and guge in part 1 were kind of fodder speed wise, as no name ghouls inferior to Shuu could fight them, and human investigators as well. Even naki was shown to be to intercept an attack faster than they could, while he was being nerfed by suppressant gas
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So if used, Mach 9 backscales to the entire cast, which is frankly inconsistent.
My recommendation is to discard this as an outlier, and instead use this:
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Using the vsb number for electricity in air (mach 1.6), gets these feats to: mach 1 for base kaneki in part 1, mach 2 for yomo, and mach 4-20 for part 2 kaneki (this scales to god tiers only).
This still requires evaluation at the moment
There are more feats of this nature, but most have issues:
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So my recommendation is:
Part 1 low tiers: Subsonic/(+)
Part 1 mid tiers: potentially supersonic
part 1 high tiers: supersonic
part1 mid and low tiers: supersonic
Part 2 high tiers: supersonic, possibly higher if the yomo calc is accepted
God tiers: at least supersonic, potentially higher (hypersonic/hypersonic+) if the kaneki calc is accepted
Edit: There was a mach 4.6 calc for part 1 amon, but as pointed out by Abstractions, my interpretation of the scene was wrong:
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As such, Im treating it as a mach 1 feat due to the shockwave
I will make a suggested edits doc after this has been discussed
Final Edit:
I decided to do a reread of all the manga during my move, alongside talking briefly to IMade
Ive changed my mind on this crt. Im fine with still changing fodder part 1 characters (ex: part 1 touka) to subsonic. But I think the current ratings for supersonic for most characters is pretty much solid, as I will display here:
Part 1 base kaneki deflects bullets
Part 1 half kakuja kaneki make a sonic boom and base shinohara reacts
Investigators like part 1 Juuzou, Houji, and Ui can react and fight with Yoshimura (relative to Half kajua Kaneki, Supersonic), and Ui can even dodge attacks from Eto (also supersonic)
Part 1 Arata armor Amon creates a shockwave with his speed
Part 2 Touka and Hinami (who is weakened at the time) and react to, and in touka's case, outpace the supersonic energy blasts from a weapon called Higher Mind
Higher mind consistent creates sonic booms or shockwaves
Part 2 Hinami can also perceive sound waves
Part 2 Naki deflects a bullet after is it is fired (not an aim dodge)
Part 2 Ayato is faster than Investigators who can react to his own darts, which makes sonic booms
Narukami feats:
narukami is a tesla coil based weapon which fires electricity, which according to site standards would be mach 1.6 per this accepted calc:
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Part 1 teen Renji Yomo dodges this electricity
Part 1 half dead base Kaneki also does this
Part 2 Shachi does this twice
Part 2 Renji, Ayato, and Touka do this
Kaneki also does this in part 2. This feat was accepted as mach 4.13, Supersonic+
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Kaneki then gets blitzed by Arima, who reveals he was holding back. After getting faster via reactive evolution from healing, kaneki is then on par with him
Conclusion
Fodder characters are subsonic, most characters are supersonic, and god tiers are supersonic+, likely baseline hypersonic
As such most of the pages can remain as they currently are, with some modifications
Tg speed
God Tiers Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom Supersonic (As a SS-Rank Ghoul and a Rinkaku-type, Kaneki is one of the fastest characters in the series. Can react to gunfire, and dodge electricity from Narukami, which moves at this speed even with damage to his brain. Can create mach cones with...
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Blog for the speed justification for the electricity from narukami:
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