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So no one has any keys of them purely just affecting all the physical aspects of otherworld?
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Toei cosmology revision
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No, it just makes otherworld smaller (still universe sized). I just had a misunderstanding because of how vague 2-C explanation with universe sized stuff which makes you think it's referring to separate dimensions.
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Hell was never accepted as a seperate space time so this will just shrink Hell’s 3D size and thats pretty much it lol (Which doesn’t matter much since Afterlife should be infinite soon since toeiverse has no real counter arguments for it not being infinite)
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Still has a point with removing the hell scans.If it's a misunderstanding. Then close this thread
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I mean, it would go from 2x universal to 1 universal in size, the otherworld is bigger than heaven, but we don't know by how much
Yes, but it isn't universal in size, it doesn't count for tier 2-C
Nothing changes really, it always was 2 universes
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I thought the cosmology was 3 universes for Toei
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nope, it was always 2-C, it has 3 space times, but one of them isn't universal in size so, it doesn't count as per our standards
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So what you're saying is that once the 2-C DBS gets approved (just need one more staff approval), we can do DBS vs GT fights?
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Yeah, go for it, but dbs is already 2-C tho
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Nope, it doesn't work like that, if it isn't universal in size, it isn't qualified for 2-C, multipliers can't get you anywhere in tier 2 and above
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Idk why kaioshin realm is being mentioned the point of this is only to remove hell can we stay on topic?
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The change to just remove hell scans seems to be mostly supported but probably still need 2-3 staff
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Well I guess I'll drop this topic as it doesn't seem like it's in the OP.
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It’s 1/10th the size of macrocosm the latter being large enough to have heaven ( outright universe sized) as a very small part of it)
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we don't know how big the afterlife is in comparison to heaven, at most that would lead to a 1/5 universe sized, which ends up in the exact same problem
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The macrocosm as a whole includes living universe + heaven+ hell and the indeterminate amount of space between each realm at which point the kaio realm ends up as 1/3rd the size of a universe even if they were lined up right next to each other.
Anime depictions of Heaven alone and the space sorrounding it already ensures the non-hell portion of the afterlife is already two times larger than a universe because we get a full view of it with no other realms appearing in the vicinity.
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which i covered
unknown in size so not much relevant
Different dimensions/space times, there is no space between them or else they wouldn't different space times
proof of this specific value?
Different dimensions we wouldn't see no matter what, plus we never saw heaven in comparison to hell, plus this is derailing, this thread is not about the size of hell or the kaioshin realm, this is about removing non canon information, stop derailing it
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Everything in the afterlife portion of the universe is connected so only the Kaioshin realm and living universe are different space times, but they’re stated to be literally on top of one another, DBZ 195 which goes as far as showing the universe model which means at bare minimum the macrocosm has a diameter of 3 universes
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We also have a full shot of heaven which is universe sized by itself and we cannot even see the cloud layer, so even that small portion of the afterlife realm is already 3 universal diameters wide.
Unless I’m missing something hell is also universal in size and with heaven being stated to be just as large, there is no reason to believe it’d be any smaller, considering they’re both supposed to contain comparable amounts of dead individuals.
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yeah, that is what i said
if they are different dimensions and space times, there is no "top" this would imply a physical distance between them, which does not exist in separated space times
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because of the angle
stop with the headcanon numbers, show me the calculation were you reached that size
we have no shot of hell in comparison to anything size wise, and nothing of what you said says anything about the size of hell
when?
even a planet the size of Jupiter could hold quintilions of people, it doesn't need to be as large as heaven
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We have statements supporting heaven. We do not have statements supporting hell to replace the current scans.
Yea I agree.Everything in the afterlife portion of the universe is connected so only the Kaioshin realm and living universe are different space times, but they’re stated to be literally on top of one another, DBZ 195 which goes as far as showing the universe model which means at bare minimum the macrocosm has a diameter of 3 universes
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We also have a full shot of heaven which is universe sized by itself and we cannot even see the cloud layer, so even that small portion of the afterlife realm is already 3 universal diameters wide.
Unless I’m missing something hell is also universal in size and with heaven being stated to be just as large, there is no reason to believe it’d be any smaller, considering they’re both supposed to contain comparable amounts of dead individuals.
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This is straightforward. I didn't even think these were going to be used, as I distincly remember someone debunking them in the GT 2-C thread, but here we are
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This is actually very good, just remove the RPG hell thing and that's it, the rest of the anime/databook saying that heaven is the size of the Universe is right, just remove the thing and that's it, still 2-C
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Pretty much and doesn’t really change anything so it’s fine still 3 Infinite space times
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Wonder if there needs to be more staff or is removing non canon (and inconsequential) information fine with just 1.
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One more
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I don't think it needs much, as long as it's on the blog that's open to everyone, but you should talk to a moderator or administrator of course.
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All that needs to be done is remove it from the Toei Dragon Ball page
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i really hope so, but @Reiner told me differently another time, that the infinite universe is only a possibly, but then @LephyrTheRevanchist told otherwise, and now i am extremely confused, like who do i trust here? the guy who made the thread in the first place, or the mod that agreed with it? i am tired of this and want clarity on it, but db threads never seem to be simple, i am kind of sad now and fearful of this not being over because of miscommunication
but as this has nothing to do with the thread, i should stop now, just needed to get that off my chest, because i am annoyed at this more than anything
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Well 3 staff said solid is fine and one staff thought possibly/likely was fine so I would assume solid
yeah 1/10th of 2 infinite realms is infinite
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the sense of this is removing non canon information from the profiles
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go here: @Damage3245 , reiner said possibly will be, i dunno wtf is going on, or who to trust
