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Toaru Magic Gods minor Revision. "or maybe not"

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This is rather simple. and tbh, I didn't even plan on making CRT for this, but since everyone, the Toaru thread are freaking dead, and no one want to replay I decided to do this small edit.

So, as everybody already knows the god tiers in Toaru have complete control over the 11-D world and can shift it\Flip it\Destroy it and creat it as many times as they wish. The magic gods are High 1-C scaling from Othinus who is magic god herself. HOWEVER, there are few things we need to look into:

1-The True Magic Gods are FAR beyond Othinus's power and scaling them to Othinus is just establishing the bare minimum of their power.

2-Othinus despite having 11-D power and having full control over the world her power never reached the hidden world and she didn't knew it even exist. One would think the Hidden World transcendent 11-D relam. Meanwhile, The True Magic Gods are fully capable of destroying the hidden world which would imply their power are beyond even 11-D as well.

3-The True Magic Gods had to divide their power by infinity so they don't destroy 11-D world simply by existing. or, moving an arm or a leg because they were too much of a big existence for the world to contain.

So what am it getting at... Well, The True Magic Gods are implied to be existence beyond 11-D and are in a completely different realm of power compare to Othinus and 11-D world can't contain their existence.

Now chill .... I am not trying to upgrade the magic gods to low 1-B by scaling from another character, I am just establishing the fact that True Magic gods are infinity above baseline High 1-C and may be beyond even 11-D itself so we must acknowledge this fact.

So what should we do? Just add At least possibility higher to each of the Magic gods at their peak of power that's all.

That's about all. I want to head everyone's opinion on this matter.
 
It should be noted that an 11-Dimensional structure can't withstand the existence of a Majin/Magic God because their existence is "too big". Also, the only thing able to withstand a full power magic god is a world created by them and specifically designed to lack the concepts of space and time (which are 11-D going by how the verse works) and even then they can destroy that world if they want.


Low 1-B is completely acceptable and supported by feats.
 
Simply being above another character/realms isn't enough to assume full Transcendence unless we have statements for it.

I feel like people are way too much lax when it comes to transcendence in higher tiers for some reasons.
 
Saikou, an 11-D world can't withstand a Magic God at full power because their existence is "too big". Aleister needed to use non-existent coordinates to find the hidden world, even when a 4th grader can calculate in 11-Dimensions on a daily basis.

Othinus is also a complete failure in comparison to them.
 
Also, they need to infinitely layer their existence to give the world a chance to withstand their presence, and even then they can still desteoy the world just by moving.
 
Simply being too big isn't enough proofs to warrant transcendence. While thing about non-existent coordinates is good, it's...still not enough. Simply put, if you couldn't use those arguments to make someone Low 2-C based on a 3-D verse, then it can't be used to upgrade them any higher.
 
I am natural to the Low 1-B thing but here's lines from the LN about the gods nerfing themselves :

But, High Priest," cut in a girl's voice that sounded even younger and also childish. "Miss Zombie's theory is essentially the same as holding up opposing mirrors, right? By splitting up our power infinitely, we can intentionally weaken ourselves and avoid destroying the world whenever we move an arm or leg."

"What about it, Niang-Niang?"

"I'm just wondering if the symbol ∞ will really grow weaker when you split it up. I don't want to smash the world up like stained glass the first step I take. We're not like Othinus."

"It doesn't matter if it's a mere deception as long as it works. Just like a Moebius strip or a Klein bottle, some concepts are allowed to exist even if they can't be properly defined, Niang-Niang."
 
Low 1-B would be nonsense. Hidden world is outside, not superior to the rest of the world.

Neutral regarding "at least", though I would argue that it is debateable whether their passive 1/infinite destruction doesn't actually just destroy the 3-D part.
 
I am Neutral to the Low 1-B thing as well but one could argue that hidden would IS superior to the rest of the world because it can contain the Magic gods while the normal words can't no?
 
ZERO7772 said:
I am Neutral to the Low 1-B thing as well but one could argue that hidden would IS superior to the rest of the world because it can contain the Magic gods while the normal words can't no?
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Not really. The reason it can contain them seems to be more due to nature. It is a non-existent place, so it can basically not be destroyed in any normal sense since it doesn't exist to begin with.
 
We can ignore the Low 1-B part. I want more input on "At least possibly higher" part. upgrading character without direct proof can be bit annoying and I don't want get there.

This is meant to be minor revision really.
 
I'm also neutral on adding the "At least", but I don't see any reason to consider adding Low 1-B. As DontTalk said, the hidden world was outside the regular structure of the world and Magic Gods were able to act there because of its nature.
 
I think that DontTalk and LazyHunter seem to make sense.
 
Low 1-B is out yeah, but I was asking to add "At Least" the characters in the OP which no one seems to disagree with.
 
So should the changes accepted by DontTalkDT and LazyHunter be carried out? They seem to be our most knowledgeable members about To Aru.
 
Antvasima, I believed that the correct choice.

Also, it is based on their analysis that at Least High 1-C is accepted.
 
Well, if they do not reply again, in order to clarify, you can politely ask them to do so via their message walls.
 
To help:

I got the list of the Magic Gods above Othinus

Also, this upgrade wasn't brought up

  • Aiwass
    • Should have for its High 1-C key upgraded too, since Aleister Crowley intends to use it to destroy all phases and reduce the world to the Pure World, which is something out of the reach of magic gods, stated to have been constructed to oppose and overpower all magic gods
  • Aleister Crowley
    • Should have for his High 1-C key upgraded too, since he can amplify his power up to the point of defeating Magic Gods if the right conditions are met, fought High Priest - a character that would be upgraded
 
Lazy and don't talk were fine with adding "At least" to the profiles. Didn't you read their replay above?
 
Well, I constantly juggle lots of different tasks, so it is hard for me to remember the specifics of all of them.

Regardless, it is probably best if either of them handle the updates, as they are both highly reliable.
 
Aiwass is canonly stronger than all the GODs and Crowley can beat a true Magic God at his peak. I don't see why not.
 
For clarity, I'll repeat that I'm ok with adding the "At least" to Gremlin's Magic Gods. This would obviously also affect Aiwass and Crowley's tiers too.
 
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