FantaRin_The_First
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Eh. After a bit of thinking, I'll share the same opinion as Noir. I.e, agree to all ('sides maybe Sin Manip). Peps have to remember, tho, that all of this comes attached with a possibly rating.
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Hmmm. There are several haxes on here that don't make sense and don't even exist for the characters you're referring too (Kazakiri's as an example is not law manip). I'm going to go through all of these and say what I agree or don't agree with, but for the record my metric is based on what I said earlier on how abilities seem to interact with Alice ; if it is an attack that doesn't target the interior specifically or has a specified directed effect inside her, then it's a no go.big blurb
Before I go into this, just to make sure, we will be putting a clause in resistances that these are Interior only , right?
I decided to make a vote count to help end this thread please let me know if anything is wrong. The not agreed powers are no longer present.
Accelerate420 agrees with Zensum but didn't get in to specifics so i will leave this here so people are aware of that.
Curse Manipulation, bacteria and bugs since is in the quote and everyone agrees.
Universally agreed Resistances:
Poison Manipulation
Blood Manipulation from accelerator (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Accelerate420, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Bioelectricity Manipulation from accelerator (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Accelerate420, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Soul Manipulation from Aleister or High Priest (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Transmutation from Kakine (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Matter Manipulation from Kakine (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Electricity Manipulation and EM waves from Misaka (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First and Zensum)
Fear Manipulation from Dainsleif (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka and Zensum, FantaRin_The_First)
Radiation Manipulation from Aleister (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka and Zensum, FantaRin_The_First)
Mind Manipulation from Grimoires (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka and Zensum, FantaRin_The_First)
Matter Absorption from Kakine (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Deconstruction from Fiamma, Etzali and Kakine (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Probability Manipulation from Aleister ST (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Law Manipulation from Accelerator (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Powernull from Kazakiri (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Biological Manipulation from Misaki or Alfar (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Life Force Destruction from Coronzon roar or Aradia who can manipulate life too. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Water Manipulation via moisture absorption of Nepthys. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Gravity Manipulation from Aureolus. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Conceptual Manipulation from Archetype Controller. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Sound manipulation from four eyed dragon or Aureolus. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Stamina Reduction from flame dragon. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Sealing from Fiamma. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Pain Manipulation from fiamma, it comes from grimoire, Stiyl has it too. Unreapaddy has Pashupata spell too. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Existence Erasure from Coronzon's ceremony. (Agree: Felience1, Acertainbcplayer, XDragnoir, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Paralysis Inducement from misaka or Niang-Niang shadow blades. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Darkness Manipulation from Niang-Niang shadow blades. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Possession from Aiwass or Elza. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Information Manipulation from Uiharu or Kreutune. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Acid Manipulation via Acid (random esper), if breathed it damages lungs. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Telekinesis via Qiong Qi. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Body Puppetry from Qliphah. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Perception Manipulation from Loki. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
Microwave Attacks from fran. (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First)
0 Disagrees Resistances:
Teleportation from sources like Kuroko (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Neutral: Zensum)
Sin manipulation from Coronzon. (Agree: Felience1, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, Neutral: XDragnoir, FantaRin_The_First)
Not solved Resistances:
Vector Manipulation from accelerator (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Axscell and Accelerate420)
Illusion Manipulation with Spiritual Tripping (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Madness Manipulation (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Space Manipulation with Curtana (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Corrosion inducement from Coronzon (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Explosion Manipulation and Shockwave Manipulation from Ollerus (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Vibration Manipulation from Nepthys (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Empathic Manipulation from Nepthys (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Reality Warping from Aureolus (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Memory Manipulation from Aureolus (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Sleep Manipulation from Aureolus (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Death Manipulation from Aureolus (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
Heat Manipulation from Aleister (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First Disagree: Zensum)
And the i am not sure ones:
Weight Manipulation from Aleister or Choronzon.
Statistics Reduction from Aleister.
What does Fraulein Kreutune give with the microscopic thing she inserted?
Well that's all of them. I will be updating the votes and i greatly appreciate everyone input on this. Hopefully we can finish this instead of leaving the thread to die.
I think affecting someone's Soul and mind is very similar and i am not sure how it could be external.Not sure about:
Soul Manipulation (via Aleister & HP; reason 1 and 3)
Transmutation (via Kakine; reason 2 & 3)
Matter Manipulation (via Kakine; reason 2 & 3)
Matter Absorption (via Kakine; reason 2 & 3)
Deconstruction (via Fiamma; reason 2 & 3; don't really remember Kakine having this tbh)
Stamina Reduction (via Flame Dragon; reason 3)
Sealing (via Fiamma; reason 2)
Body Puppetry (via Qliphah; reason 3)
Microwave Attack (via Fran; isn't this just radiation?)
Sin Manipulation (via Coronzon; what exactly does this entail?)
Madness Manipulation (depends on the medium)
Corrosion Inducement (via Coronzon; don't remember this being a thing)
Vibration Manipulation (via Nephthys; did Nephthys ever directly target internals with this?)
Empathic Manipulation (via Nephthys; same as above)
Illusion Manipulation (via Spiritual Tripping; reason 2)
Disagree with:
Electricity Manipulation (via Misaka; reason 1)
Fear Manipulation (via Dainsleif; reason 2)
Probability Manipulation (via Aleister; reason 1 & 2 & 3; Aleister has probability manipulation?)
Law Manipulation (via Accelerator; reason 1 & 2)
Gravity Manipulation (via Izzard; reason 2 & 3)
Conceptual Manipulation (via Aleister; reason 2 & 3)
Sound Manipulation (via Sound Dragon & Izzard; reason 2 & 3)
Existence Erasure (via Coronzon; reason 3)
Darkness Manipulation (via Niang-Niang; reason 2)
Information Manipulation (via Uiharu; reason 1 & 3)
Telekinesis (via Qiong Qi; reason 3)
Vector Manipulation (reason 1)
Space Manipulation (via Curtana; reason 2 & 3)
Reality Warping (via Izzard; reason 1)
Sleep Manipulation (via Izzard; reason 2)
Death Manipulation (via Izzard; reason 3)
Heat Manipulation (via Izzard; reason 3)
Weight Manipulation (via Aleister; reason 3)
Statistics Reduction (via Aleister; reason 3)
This one is externally so it should be not counted.Corrosion Inducement Aleiszon and Coronzon have it. I leave here what it does so you can form your opinion on that:
Corrosion Inducement (Can grow wings and blow a wind that deteriorates objects it makes contact with[38])
Aleister used it against CRC corroding everything in an area.
Internal vs External would mean does the power is some fashion "Travel" to those aspects of the person to manipulate them or is the power not "Travelling" and instead just directly starts at those things. A vibration power that shakes a person apart that works via seismic ground waves wouldn't be an internal power in my view, but one where if you point and start to directly shake them would.I think affecting someone's Soul and mind is very similar and i am not sure how it could be external.
With what powers of the vote count do you agree and with what do you disagree?Internal vs External would mean does the power is some fashion "Travel" to those aspects of the person to manipulate them or is the power not "Travelling" and instead just directly starts at those things. A vibration power that shakes a person apart that works via seismic ground waves wouldn't be an internal power in my view, but one where if you point and start to directly shake them would.
In this case is not seismic. It is a: "shrill cry that causes matter to vibrate so that a faction was instantly turned to ash"Internal vs External would mean does the power is some fashion "Travel" to those aspects of the person to manipulate them or is the power not "Travelling" and instead just directly starts at those things. A vibration power that shakes a person apart that works via seismic ground waves wouldn't be an internal power in my view, but one where if you point and start to directly shake them would.
That's traveling to the target to destroy them. So it wouldn't be resisted in my view.In this case is not seismic. It is a: "shrill cry that causes matter to vibrate so that a faction was instantly turned to ash"
Off-site talking to Zensum I agree with their conclusions. I don't think Vibration or Vector manipulation would apply unless they specifically target her internal organs, others they'd affect her as normal.With what powers of the vote count do you agree and with what do you disagree?
As i commented above in the quote about the character the examples the author gives are bacteria, curses and bugs. Bacteria and bugs travel. She explicitly resist those cases too. Don't you think that is prove enough that this is broader than that? Neither bugs or bacteria target only internal and they are resisted. Vector does have internal uses like manipulating someone's electrons in their brains or messing with bioelectricity or blood.That's traveling to the target to destroy them. So it wouldn't be resisted in my view.
Off-site talking to Zensum I agree with their conclusions. I don't think Vibration or Vector manipulation would apply unless they specifically target her internal organs, others they'd affect her as normal.
Some applications like Blood, Bioelectricity, and Paralysis Inducement can be counted as internal hax.Vector manipulation would apply unless they specifically target her internal organs, others they'd affect her as normal.
It is there, search for antimagic.Powernull ( Neither of these things are what Kazakiri has, and if her profile has them then it needs to be changed at a later date. )
I'd like you to tell me where she gets it from, but that's about it.It is there, search for antimagic.
Do you want me to debate or are you just giving your opinion and done?
Will count votes in a bit, thank you for the input.
Alright, I'll be making a CRT later to remove that and have it reworked into something else. I'll get to the rest of the list later tomorrow.Sure:
- Magic Cancellation and Negation: The presence of Fuse Kazakiri, a mass of AIM and an artificial angel, causes a huge pressure on the bodies of all magicians in the surrounding area (which can be an entire city). Her presence warps the several “layers” of the world piled on top of each other, and blows away the magical laws as it continuously grows. This warping of the world's magic laws causes considerable and continuous internal damage to the blood vessels and nerves of magicians.[4][5]
NoDon't you think that is prove enough that this is broader than that?
Yeah those aspects would be resisted.Some applications like Blood, Bioelectricity, and Paralysis Inducement can be counted as internal hax.
Sure, then what about all of the ones where Zensum didn't talk about? What do i do with those ones?No
Yeah those aspects would be resisted.
Might be better to make a dedicated topic on them and apply what's accepted or we can go over them a second time I guess.What do i do with those ones?
YeahThis one too?
Teleportation from sources like Kuroko (Agree: Felience1, XDragnoir, Acertainbcplayer, Aseka, FantaRin_The_First, Axscell Neutral: Zensum)
L on my part. I'll try to get around to it on Thursday or Friday. Apologies for all the delays on my end.bump
Archetype ManipulationSnip
It is a fairy spell so it must be stabbed with.For Deconstruction. It destroys someone from the inside and has been stated here in NT9:
“It is too late.” Othinus spoke quietly from the ground. “It has already wreaked havoc inside my body. Even if you negate the stake with your right hand, the pain will not vanish. I will not conveniently return to being a mere human.”
Coronzon's roar is externally.I don't know how life force can be external? Would you mind explaining what is your reasoning with this?
Magic Cancellation from Kazakidi also external influence.Powernull from kazakiri also does internal damage to magicians. I think it was very similar to a esper using magic (don't remember if it was said it is the same or it just works similar).
We categorize this within Toaru's ability, so mechanism is in fact necessary to index it.Why does it matter if the influence is external if the effect is internal? Bugs curses and bacteria are all external and are resisted.
Sure, index it. It isn't relevant here I think.We categorize this within Toaru's ability, so mechanism is in fact necessary to index it.