Time Paradox Immunity for all Dragon Ball Characters

[Antvasima]

As I mentioned earlier, I agree that all of this seems unreliable to apply.

Has enough time passed to close these threads, or should we wait a while longer?

 

[Greenshifter]

The neutral universe setting does not nullify the fact that any time travel hax performed upon MCU characters forces them to enter the MCU in order to find a point of weakness earlier on in their timestream.


If Doc Brown and Marty McFly went back into Tony Stark's past to, say, **** up the invention of the Iron Man suit, by definition they would enter the MCU, where the MCU's laws would apply, and thus prevent Doc Brown and Marty's changes to the past affecting the present Tony Stark.

I have an issue with this, because not all time travelers have dimensional travel and thus would not be able to execute their time travel the way they want to. I think we should specify in the neutral universe rule that we use the interpretation that no-one has acausality type 1 unless they explicitely have this by the nature of their being (not the verse itself). Whenever a time traveller is involved in a vs debate, the 2 combatants should be put in a composite universe of the 2 verses in order for the time traveller to not need dimensional travel to kill someone in the past. If this leads to contradictions that are relevant for the match (Funny Valentine and someone else being the president of America at the same time for instance), then the OP of the thread has the responsibility to solve these. If the OP wants certain characters to not get paradoxed because that wouldn't happen in their verse then they have to give said characters the home-court advantage and let them operate under that verse's rules. I think this would solve a lot of issues regarding time travel.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Wouldn't be dimensional travel, technically. It'd still be time travel.

 

[ZERO7772]

Yeah no. Time travel in dragon ball creates a new timeline everytime someone travels to the past thus the original timeline remains ineffective.

Those characters weren't interacting with their past selves they were interacting with alternative version of themselves.

I disagree with this, this is blatant abuse of the system and taking things out of context to give the characters things they don't deserve.

 

[DMB_1]

^This. The verse itself is settled so that such a thing as Time Paradox can happen (except for the Goku Black situation, but that's just a plot hole).

The only argument you could make for characters getting Type 1 Acausality, is Trunks somehow still living despite his entire timeline being obliterated, but then again, they still managed to travel back to an erased timeline, so...

 

[DestinyDude0]

Time traveling by default means they leave the neutral universe. So verse-equalization is sorta irrelevant to the argument and the native universe (DB) should take top priority. Even if it's not valid enough to add to individual character profiles, we can at least add a notation to the franchise page to clarify the issue.

 

[Amexim]

Yeah, but then we'd be giving every verse that uses multiverse theory for time travel acausality of a specific type so they don't get erased from time by a verse with a single timeline theory based verse. That's disgusting.

 

[Greenshifter]

Time traveling by default means they leave the neutral universe. So verse-equalization is sorta irrelevant to the argument and the native universe (DB) should take top priority. Even if it's not valid enough to add to individual character profiles, we can at least add a notation to the franchise page to clarify the issue.

According to that logic, if a time traveller takes someone back in time by 10 minutes, they are now BFR'ed outside of the neutral universe.

Universe is defined as both space and time in most cases so they would still remain inside the neutral universe.

 

[DestinyDude0]

The neutral universe didn't really exist until the match started, so I find that a bad example. The point is that the time traveler who travels into the MCU to kill their enemy wouldn't do anything. Like I said, it's vague and nebulous, so it might not be valid enough to add to individual profiles, but we can at least place a disclaimer to the MCU page as a whole.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Is it really a neutral verse if it gives single timeline theory based verses the advantage over multiverse theory verses?

Iron Man going back in time and killing himself as a child wouldn't do anything to his present self, but if (Insert character from single timeline theory based verse) did it, then Iron Man would get paradoxed from existence?

Why is the standard structure for a neutral verse single timeline theory based?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Time traveling by default means they leave the neutral universe. So verse-equalization is sorta irrelevant to the argument and the native universe (DB) should take top priority. Even if it's not valid enough to add to individual character profiles, we can at least add a notation to the franchise page to clarify the issue.

According to that logic, if a time traveller takes someone back in time by 10 minutes, they are now BFR'ed outside of the neutral universe.
Universe is defined as both space and time in most cases so they would still remain inside the neutral universe.

...Except at what point does anyone's history NOT involve their home universe? Seperate space-time continuums or not, if a time traveller wants to affect the history of his opponent, he'd have to follow his opponent's 4th dimensional superstring back into their home universe to be able to make those changes, otherwise the time traveller would be limited to time travelling in the neutral universe, which wouldn't be quite as useful considering both opponents have existed in said universe for less than five minutes.

Obviously a smart time hax user could just rewind to the moment the opponent appeared in the universe and immediately go for the kill, but for the sake of arguement I'm referring specifically to those time haxxers who have a preference for altering the course of their opponents' lives entirely.

 

[Greenshifter]

Is it really a neutral verse if it gives single timeline theory based verses the advantage over multiverse theory verses?

Iron Man going back in time and killing himself as a child wouldn't do anything to his present self, but if (Insert character from single timeline theory based verse) did it, then Iron Man would get paradoxed from existence?

Why is the standard structure for a neutral verse single timeline theory based?

Because most verses use single timeline theory, that's basically the only reason. Even our own reality probably uses multiverse theory but until that is proven and most fictions start using multiverse theory for time travel we should probably use single timeline theory as a basis.

 

[Antvasima]

As we decided in the other thread about this topic, this is pointless, won't lead anywhere, and should be closed.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3571055#95