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The argument is that when someone travels to the past they create a new timeline instead of actually affecting the one in front of them. That's how MCU got it and the reason this one is a thing.
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Time Paradox Immunity for all Dragon Ball Characters
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Yeah agreeing with Matt on this. DB timelines don't work the same as regular ones where they face paradoxes in the same exact timeline but just create alternate ones.
And obviously MCU shouldnt have it either if its the same exact reasoning to prevent double standards.
And obviously MCU shouldnt have it either if its the same exact reasoning to prevent double standards.
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In that case, neither Dragon Ball nor MCU should have them.
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I would agree with that 100%, except... MCU's time travel was weird. They did BOTH multiverse theory and one time line theory simultaneously. Not even the fan theory that Old man Cap is the same cap as before and the lady he liked lied to him works because... Well, Loki. And literally everything after that event. I...
This seems to be a classic example of people abusing our system to give characters abilities they have no business having. Acausality for everyone in any verse probably needs a really really really good statement acknowledged by the verse itself instead of an external, fanbased analysis and fan theory, no matter how much hard evidence there is for it.
So actually, yeah? Acausality gotta go for both.
This seems to be a classic example of people abusing our system to give characters abilities they have no business having. Acausality for everyone in any verse probably needs a really really really good statement acknowledged by the verse itself instead of an external, fanbased analysis and fan theory, no matter how much hard evidence there is for it.
So actually, yeah? Acausality gotta go for both.
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MCU isn't getting it either. MCU Time Travel is bullshit and contradicts itself in the span of one film.KnightOfSunlight said:
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Matthew Schroeder is correct. Cross dimensional time travel shouldn't give anyone Acausality at all. It's really Endgame's plot hole that caused this confusion. If the Avengers really were traveling through their timeline then there would've been a massive paradox.
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I agree with Matt and DDM, TPI is not legit.
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I think we should still do thisAntvasima said:
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Close the thread, It is more than settled this, giving resistance to everything for something ridiculous when the same theme of the work contradicts it.
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Elizhaa, Calaca, Warren Valion, and Antoiniofer.
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I agreed with OP but just as long the idea of splitting timelines as result of altering the past, like an illusory time paradox immunity; if people wants to change the standard I have no problem with it neither.
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Okay.
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Oh and if I didn't make myself clear, I "agree" with the OP.
I shouldn't really matter if a Time Traveller goes back in time of the original timeline or not since the affected character(s) operate on an entirely different system of Causality.
For instance, A Character who can time travel back in time and paradox people shouldn't be able to affect B Chararacter from another verse since B Character's native "Flow of Time" doesn't allow for changes to happen; it'd merely cause a branch reality.
I shouldn't really matter if a Time Traveller goes back in time of the original timeline or not since the affected character(s) operate on an entirely different system of Causality.
For instance, A Character who can time travel back in time and paradox people shouldn't be able to affect B Chararacter from another verse since B Character's native "Flow of Time" doesn't allow for changes to happen; it'd merely cause a branch reality.
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Technically, wouldn't this make DB characters Low 2-C for creating timelines through time travel?
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No, they are created by an universal principle, not by their power.
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No, because time traveling isn't an AP feat. It's a disruption in space-time that creates a new timeline, not the character's raw power.DragonEmperor23 said:
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None AFAIK
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That's not a good idea... literally any fictional character that creates an alternative timeline (via time travel or the butterfly effect) would become low 2-C.
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So in other words, multiverse theory is a she-dog.
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I mean, if the argument is that it is a principle of the universe and not of the character so it shouldn't be part of the profile, then characters who are Low 2-C via being able to destroy the universe through chain reactions or paradoxes shouldn't have the rating either.
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Yes.Wokistan said:
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I agree.
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I recommend the solution to these two problems be a rejection of the proposed changes together, under the grounds that time traveling and killing something without explicit Acausality feats isn't enough proof for Acausality. We don't want to give a verse a massively powerful resistance if they only came about from the writer being incompetent and a fan's or fanbases theories on what the implications for their abilities would mean. Otherwise, we'd have a bunch of wanked verses. Like 1-A Naruto or something.
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Anyways it seems more people are on this thread, so I suppose I'll repost what I said on the other here. The context was Sword Logic and that some characters don't have souls being brought up as supposedly equivalent scenarios.
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"Also wouldn't the multiverse theories and such be covered under the whole "neutral universe" thing?"
What do you mean by this?
What do you mean by this?
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The neutral universe setting does not nullify the fact that any time travel hax performed upon MCU characters forces them to enter the MCU in order to find a point of weakness earlier on in their timestream.
If Doc Brown and Marty McFly went back into Tony Stark's past to, say, **** up the invention of the Iron Man suit, by definition they would enter the MCU, where the MCU's laws would apply, and thus prevent Doc Brown and Marty's changes to the past affecting the present Tony Stark.
If Doc Brown and Marty McFly went back into Tony Stark's past to, say, **** up the invention of the Iron Man suit, by definition they would enter the MCU, where the MCU's laws would apply, and thus prevent Doc Brown and Marty's changes to the past affecting the present Tony Stark.
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