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Time Paradox Immunity for all Dragon Ball Characters

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The argument is that when someone travels to the past they create a new timeline instead of actually affecting the one in front of them. That's how MCU got it and the reason this one is a thing.
 
What?

Dragon Ball... Uses multiple timelines like multiverse theory or something...

There's no... There's no going back in your own timeline in DB, only going into the past of another timeline. This is... No.
 
I would agree with that 100%, except... MCU's time travel was weird. They did BOTH multiverse theory and one time line theory simultaneously. Not even the fan theory that Old man Cap is the same cap as before and the lady he liked lied to him works because... Well, Loki. And literally everything after that event. I...

This seems to be a classic example of people abusing our system to give characters abilities they have no business having. Acausality for everyone in any verse probably needs a really really really good statement acknowledged by the verse itself instead of an external, fanbased analysis and fan theory, no matter how much hard evidence there is for it.

So actually, yeah? Acausality gotta go for both.
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
Wait, did the MCU already get this?
For the same reasons as what's being brought up here?
MCU isn't getting it either. MCU Time Travel is bullshit and contradicts itself in the span of one film.
 
Matthew Schroeder is correct. Cross dimensional time travel shouldn't give anyone Acausality at all. It's really Endgame's plot hole that caused this confusion. If the Avengers really were traveling through their timeline then there would've been a massive paradox.
 
I also agree with Matthew. As I mentioned in the other thread, we cannot scale all characters to possess abilities from the mechanics of a verse itself.
 
I don't really agree with this sort of thing either, and have an issue with some of the arguments on that other thread. I'll answer them there
 
So should we close this thread?
 
Close the thread, It is more than settled this, giving resistance to everything for something ridiculous when the same theme of the work contradicts it.
 
Which staff members support this here?
 
I agreed with OP but just as long the idea of splitting timelines as result of altering the past, like an illusory time paradox immunity; if people wants to change the standard I have no problem with it neither.
 
@GBF

Okay. I will wait then.
 
Oh and if I didn't make myself clear, I "agree" with the OP.

I shouldn't really matter if a Time Traveller goes back in time of the original timeline or not since the affected character(s) operate on an entirely different system of Causality.

For instance, A Character who can time travel back in time and paradox people shouldn't be able to affect B Chararacter from another verse since B Character's native "Flow of Time" doesn't allow for changes to happen; it'd merely cause a branch reality.
 
You'd have to prove that the general rules mean that killing them in the past would kill the same individual in the... Yeah, I don't see how you can agree with anything here. Eh.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Technically, wouldn't this make DB characters Low 2-C for creating timelines through time travel?
No, because time traveling isn't an AP feat. It's a disruption in space-time that creates a new timeline, not the character's raw power.
 
That's not a good idea... literally any fictional character that creates an alternative timeline (via time travel or the butterfly effect) would become low 2-C.
 
I mean, if the argument is that it is a principle of the universe and not of the character so it shouldn't be part of the profile, then characters who are Low 2-C via being able to destroy the universe through chain reactions or paradoxes shouldn't have the rating either.
 
We currently have 2 threads open for the exact same issue and should probably consolidate them
 
I recommend the solution to these two problems be a rejection of the proposed changes together, under the grounds that time traveling and killing something without explicit Acausality feats isn't enough proof for Acausality. We don't want to give a verse a massively powerful resistance if they only came about from the writer being incompetent and a fan's or fanbases theories on what the implications for their abilities would mean. Otherwise, we'd have a bunch of wanked verses. Like 1-A Naruto or something.
 
Anyways it seems more people are on this thread, so I suppose I'll repost what I said on the other here. The context was Sword Logic and that some characters don't have souls being brought up as supposedly equivalent scenarios.

Wokistan said:
Here to say that Sword Logic is a really bad equivalence

Sword Logic is a thing because of the influence of The Darkness, a "character" that's powerful enough to underpin all of everything. The Darkness describes itself as this overarching concept's purest form, with the Sword Logic being some offshoot of The Darkness much like the rest of the ascendant plane. It's that way by the influence of a character, and even if it wasn't the actual powers it gives people are really pronounced and notable.

The other thing is that people can take Sword Logic into spaces that it does not exist and express it, it's also got an internal component to it. The PC somehow wields Sword Logic in a Vex space which shouldn't really have such a thing that can be used against them to make all Quria's powers just not work on it and annihilate the mind. MCU and Dragon Ball dudes can't just force their TPI into existence in some other space.

The lacking of souls isn't a good comparison either. A soul's a thing tied to the individual. It is their characteristic to have or not to have. A timeline really isn't. Its a thing in which they participate, not really their characteristic so much as something that will shape their existence for them.

Also wouldn't the multiverse theories and such be covered under the whole "neutral universe" thing?
 
"Also wouldn't the multiverse theories and such be covered under the whole "neutral universe" thing?"

What do you mean by this?
 
The neutral universe setting does not nullify the fact that any time travel hax performed upon MCU characters forces them to enter the MCU in order to find a point of weakness earlier on in their timestream.


If Doc Brown and Marty McFly went back into Tony Stark's past to, say, **** up the invention of the Iron Man suit, by definition they would enter the MCU, where the MCU's laws would apply, and thus prevent Doc Brown and Marty's changes to the past affecting the present Tony Stark.
 
Time travel rules that are specific to a verse suddenly count as hax now?

That's... Iffy. Because that would mean all time travel rules apply and... No.
 
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