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Mu is already at where she needs to be. The Black Beast may or may not be able to get some upgrades from this though.Zeldasmash said:
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Tierings for The Black Beast, Nine & Jubei
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Regarding that first part, didn't Nu absorb Take Mikazuchi into herself at the end of Central Fiction?Brunout said:
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If The Black Beast gets upgrades, many characters are bumped up alongside it. Hakumen, Ragna and Terumi/Susano'o in particular.
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Universal+ is Low 2-C so The Requiem would be Low 2-C on all accounts.
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So from what we have now, The Black Beast would be at least 5-A, potentially higher?
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Maybe...
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So the Black Beast and Mu are immune to reality warping since they are immune to the master unit and TA phenomenon intervention who are multi universe level?
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This is tricky because if that were to be true making them Universe+ level in Durability, characters like Jin, Makoto, Tsubaki and Celica would be bumped to that level because they all contain the Power of Order and current Jin's Power of Order is stronger then Hakumen's.
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I dont think we need to pump their durability. There are a few peoples immune to reality warping but can be killed by gunshot. We hust need to add the "Immune to reality warping" to their profile.
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Yes, something like that. They're also able to harm observers which the only other person who was capable of doing so was Tsubaki. Come to think of it, that's actually where the Black Beasts power comes into play. They are created by the fusion of Murakumo Unit (Which is immune to Causality and reality warping) and an Azure Grimoire.Shadowedge27 said:
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Wasnt the Black Beast a failed Kusinagi? Maybe it still had the Godslaying power but considered a failure due to it being uncontrolable?
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Agreed.
So when it comes to upgrades, let's try and recap:
Ragna gets a new key category Post-Central Fiction that bumps him up to at least Low 2-C due to the feat he did at the ending of Central Fiction.
The Requiem is at least Low 2-C due to being made to replace the Master Unit with it's reality warping power and potential destructive capabilities to destroy an entire dimension.
The Black Beast is at least 5-A, potentially higher, growing by multiple claims from some of the most important characters in the game that it has the capacity to destroy multiple worlds. This would also bump other characters like Hakumen, Mu, Terumi/Susano'o, Ragna using the Black Beast's power, Azrael, ect, to be bumped up to this level.
Is this OK to everyone?
So when it comes to upgrades, let's try and recap:
Ragna gets a new key category Post-Central Fiction that bumps him up to at least Low 2-C due to the feat he did at the ending of Central Fiction.
The Requiem is at least Low 2-C due to being made to replace the Master Unit with it's reality warping power and potential destructive capabilities to destroy an entire dimension.
The Black Beast is at least 5-A, potentially higher, growing by multiple claims from some of the most important characters in the game that it has the capacity to destroy multiple worlds. This would also bump other characters like Hakumen, Mu, Terumi/Susano'o, Ragna using the Black Beast's power, Azrael, ect, to be bumped up to this level.
Is this OK to everyone?
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Okay, but wasnt this discussion about Black Beast, Nine and Jubei only? When was everyone else get involved? lol
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Correct, it's a failure because they couldn't control it. The Black Beast is a failed merge between a Murakumo Unit and an Azure Grimoire.Shadowedge27 said:
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Agreed. XDShadowedge27 said:
However, when the Black Beast is concered, almost everyone gets thrown into the discussion because as soon as the Black Beast gets upgrades, a large portion of the characters do get upgrades because of it.
Jubei on the other hand, should be on the same level as Hakumen and Base Terumi, both of which should be 5-B.
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we have a Godslaying, absolute defence breaking monster who is immune to reality warping and, if my hypothesis is correct, immortal as long as its heart is not destroyed amd infinetly growing as long as its alive in the Blazblue universe? Wow, how did they beat it?
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Through plenty, plenty, plenty and plenty of sacrifices by turning people into souls to power up the Nox Nyctores, including the Mikazuchi, mind-controlling Terumi to gain his knowledge of the Black Beast and plenty of failed attempts to take it head on.....it's a miracle they managed to take the Black Beast down...
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Well, they only really killed her because Ragna defeated Nu inside it...
Aside from Takemikazuchi, Hakumen was the only one who could match the black beast in raw power, because like her, his power grows too (the file states that the power of order makes Hakumen 100% "strong as he needs to be to fight a bigger threath").
Aside from Takemikazuchi, Hakumen was the only one who could match the black beast in raw power, because like her, his power grows too (the file states that the power of order makes Hakumen 100% "strong as he needs to be to fight a bigger threath").
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The core of a Nox Nyctores is apparently a compressed Black Beast.
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Off topic again, but I was reading around the Library in Central Fiction, and it states that Hazama's Azure Grimoire is a lot stronger than Ragna's. Would this account for an upgrade on Hazama's part?
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Hazama himself is an Azure Grimoire, so it makes sense to be stronger then Ragna. However, the Idea Engine is not a key cateogry for Ragna (which it was a few months ago) so we don't know for sure.
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Thinking about it, I think that Ragna is only stronger than Hazama because he's the "guardian" of the azure, which gives him buffs now and then (he got an significally increase in his strength in his first fight with susano'o, something that the last commented, saying "Oh? looks like you're really the guardian of the azure")
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In Central Fiction Hazama was vanishing as was everyone else. Ragna mentions it when he fights Hakumen, that he's stronger than everyone else since he was n't one of the qualified.
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Hazama's soul was being dragged back into the boundary the entire time, and was one of the last to lose his status as qualified. So when Ragna fought him he was significantly weaker than what he would normally have been.
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Who was weaker, Ragna or Hazama?
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Hazama was weaker than he normally was at that point due to disappearing.
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Well, actually Ragna's Blazblue wasnt complete when Hazma stated that but when he got the IDEA engine it was stated that his was complete and we're forgeting that Ragna's physical strength alone may have barely surpassed Hazama (before activating Blazblue).
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Remember, Hazama also gets stronger when next to a Cauldron.
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Where did you get that from?Zeldasmash said:
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It's always been established that Hazama and Terumi get stronger from being next to a cauldron. Hazama is an Azure Grimoire himself and can use a bit of it's power because of it. The closer he is to a Cauldron, the stronger he gets. Same thing goes for Terumi and maybe Ragna.
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The only thing I remember pointing to that is the fact that Terumi was beating on both Hakumen and Jubei. However, that was because the boundary was affecting them while it wasn't affecting Terumi. If that is true though, the same should apply to Ragna since he basically just has a weaker version of what Hazama has.Zeldasmash said:
All this said, does these guys getting buffs mean that everyone else should get buffs too?
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If The Black Beast gets buffed, Terumi/Susano'o, Hakumen, Ragna, Nine, Azrael, Kokonoe, Mu, ect, get buffs alongside the Beast when it comes to Attack Potency and Durability.
There is a speed upgrade I've been wanting to discuss in length, but I've tried and failed. XD
There is a speed upgrade I've been wanting to discuss in length, but I've tried and failed. XD
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Oh, and what would that speed upgrade be?Zeldasmash said:
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Oh yeah, not trying to go overboard here, but technically by the Black Beasts buff should Take Mikazuchi also receive one? By that a lot of the characters like Jin should also get buffed up from this.
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