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Tier 1 & 0 Review Thread

Another_Council said:
In any case, I might as well post a location I've been working on for some time.

When it comes to its purpose, the metanarrative reason is to connect all of my settings without contradicting anything else in their respective places. I could talk more about its symbolism and what it's an analogy for, but I would rather not bloat this message for the sake of it. As for the in-universe explanation as to why it exists, it is something much more akin to a stage for divine drama of flawed characters with immense power. You can almost think of it like The Endless from DC, exploring themes that wouldn't just fit into what is conventionally produced. There are connections, sure, but it is still capable of standing and telling stories on its own.
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Yo bro is this based on post-Ultima Tiering System?
 
Another_Council said:
In any case, I might as well post a location I've been working on for some time.

When it comes to its purpose, the metanarrative reason is to connect all of my settings without contradicting anything else in their respective places. I could talk more about its symbolism and what it's an analogy for, but I would rather not bloat this message for the sake of it. As for the in-universe explanation as to why it exists, it is something much more akin to a stage for divine drama of flawed characters with immense power. You can almost think of it like The Endless from DC, exploring themes that wouldn't just fit into what is conventionally produced. There are connections, sure, but it is still capable of standing and telling stories on its own.
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That sounds like a actual cool concept!
 
Another_Council said:
In any case, I might as well post a location I've been working on for some time.

When it comes to its purpose, the metanarrative reason is to connect all of my settings without contradicting anything else in their respective places. I could talk more about its symbolism and what it's an analogy for, but I would rather not bloat this message for the sake of it. As for the in-universe explanation as to why it exists, it is something much more akin to a stage for divine drama of flawed characters with immense power. You can almost think of it like The Endless from DC, exploring themes that wouldn't just fit into what is conventionally produced. There are connections, sure, but it is still capable of standing and telling stories on its own.
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Seems fine, at a glance. Would like to hear Phoenks thoughts though.
 
Another_Council said:
In any case, I might as well post a location I've been working on for some time.

When it comes to its purpose, the metanarrative reason is to connect all of my settings without contradicting anything else in their respective places. I could talk more about its symbolism and what it's an analogy for, but I would rather not bloat this message for the sake of it. As for the in-universe explanation as to why it exists, it is something much more akin to a stage for divine drama of flawed characters with immense power. You can almost think of it like The Endless from DC, exploring themes that wouldn't just fit into what is conventionally produced. There are connections, sure, but it is still capable of standing and telling stories on its own.
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I have no qualms with this entry.
 
I think this cosmology will get denied as I don't exactly know if it does follows the Tier 1/0 rules. But well, here is the cosmology. Although, it will not be used for a time as I need to first finish the main Pensukeverse Page, and then the characters, wich I wil then need to watch the entire Pensuke Files Playlist to see if the Tier 2 is right or not (in short words, even if it is denied or approved I will jot use it for a time, I just want it to be approved so when I have done all that stuff I can make content of it without publishing it here later). I say this because the verse doesn't have much stories/tales, but it still has characters with feats and statements, plus I don't exactly know if the cosmology do has narrative justification.
 
Lauren_Matius said:
I think this cosmology will get denied as I don't exactly know if it does follows the Tier 1/0 rules. But well, here is the cosmology. Although, it will not be used for a time as I need to first finish the main Pensukeverse Page, and then the characters, wich I wil then need to watch the entire Pensuke Files Playlist to see if the Tier 2 is right or not (in short words, even if it is denied or approved I will jot use it for a time, I just want it to be approved so when I have done all that stuff I can make content of it without publishing it here later). I say this because the verse doesn't have much stories/tales, but it still has characters with feats and statements, plus I don't exactly know if the cosmology do has narrative justification.
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Yeah... no.

For one, the series itself seems problematic. Seems to be reminiscent of SCP, but particularly for incredibly overpowered characters and concepts.

Other than that the explanations provided are badly worded and often don't make sense. There's a significant overuse of powerscaling jargon. Infinite infinities with infinite infinities, dimensions, narrative stacks, cardinals, sets, whatever whatever.

You also did not provide any narrative reasonings in your post to explain any of this and its necessity to the fiction.
 
Erojiisinf said:
Hello, sorry for disturbing your time, I would like to ask you to check my Cosmology OC, is it worthy or not? If not worthy please give me an explanation and I will revise it properly, thank you 🙏
This My Sand Box
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I'm not staff or anything but this is absolutely horrible.

It's just powerscaling words all over again and there doesn't seem to really be too much effort put into this
 
Phoenks said:
Yes. It's been rejected.

The story it's based upon seems to be a bunch of power scaling jargon. So I don't think you can have this verse on our wiki.
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Okay, thank you very much 🙏, to the staff for replying to my Cosmology sandbox check, I will revise it again.
 
Ink Thinks, writer of Smash Bracket, is a character I believe to be 1-C.
Here is my explanation:
Smash Bracket is a verse canonically made by fusing all of the verses of the Smash Bros Playable Characters, canon and non-canon into one universe. This would include Bayonetta, Xenoblade, and most importantly, all Sonic Canons, including Archie Sonic, which is further supported by Crossover Colosseum having Archie Sonic as one of the combatants. At the minimum, he would be 2-A to Low 1-C for these reasons. I can give more reasoning if I need too.
 
Rejected. This isn't just about "how" the character is 1-C. It is about why they are a good and notable character worth having on the wiki on top of it. You haven't provided any details about that nor have you really explained what this Smash Bracket is narratively speaking.
 
Phoenks said:
Rejected. This isn't just about "how" the character is 1-C. It is about why they are a good and notable character worth having on the wiki on top of it. You haven't provided any details about that nor have you really explained what this Smash Bracket is narratively speaking.
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I can give an explanation for the narrative and why they should be there. But fair enough. I won’t add him. This was kind of stupid in the first place to try. But thanks! Bye!
 
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I'll just put this here. I revised the tiers in accordance with new Ultima system. Nothing but the tiers has changed. There will eventually be an update, but not today.

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

Phoenks/CosmologyUltima

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I'm only submitting because maybe someone will disagree with how I tiered it. Tiering system is still very fresh and new so it is definitely possible.

Downgraded from Tier 0 to High 1-A at peak.
 
CCMBROTTERFN said:
I have put together my verses cosmology for Foundation of Gatekeepers.
fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

Denneck (FOG Cosmology) Explanation

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Use this, if it is acceptable, it will be used for the highest tier (Litteraly just Denneck) in FOG, and for My page (Yes, I actually am on there.) seeing as I made this.
My page
FOG
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I'm ngl this sounds like a very generic, boring creator being—not really something I find acceptable. Also, once again must remind you that posts must be accompanied by Narrative Justification.

You also don't seem to have a page for Denneck, so I can't even judge the page quality since it does not exist.
 
Phoenks said:
I'm ngl this sounds like a very generic, boring creator being—not really something I find acceptable. Also, once again must remind you that posts must be accompanied by Narrative Justification.

You also don't seem to have a page for Denneck, so I can't even judge the page quality since it does not exist.
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Yeah that makes sense. I’m not good a writing any cosmic deities. Besides, I should probably wait to actually… create the character. They haven’t appeared in anything canon… at all.
 
Well, I've been stalling this for long enough now (over a year in fact) and since I remembered it existed and am now working on this verse again kind of (and since the tiering revisions and whatnot were finished too), I think this is finally an opportune time for me to submit my long overdue verse cosmology finally.

Now, to give a brief rundown on what's here:
  • The Multidimensional Framework and Possibility Space: Should be fairly straightforward. It's simply the main setting where things happen, exotic creatures and matter originate from higher-dimensional spaces, and any problem that can't be solved using regular means is dealt with using high-dimensional technology. Possibility Space is just something that exists for the sake of convenience for humanity (multiversal travel as mentioned, as well as simple access to the infinite variations of the world in general).
  • The Imaginary Numbers Sea: Now, this is essentially what the main conflict(s) of the verse revolves around. The Imaginary Numbers Sea is for all intents and purposes a "divine" realm of sorts, the idea is that it's the peak of the world and all human-ly knowledge sorta (things like mathematics and science, for example) and thus reaching and being able to utilize the realm and energies within it essentially means being able to mess with all aspects of the world, and that's sorta what happened. A certain genius found the Sea and made contact with a "god", gaining immense power and knowledge, and with that essentially rocket-boosted the entirety of human civilization to the far future. Obviously, the many times mentioned Imaginary Deities originate from here and they are quite important to the lore, not to mention the fact that Apostles (people who could directly access and use Imaginary power without any mediums/any other outside interference or complicated process) all draw their power from here as well. There would be quite a bit of ability that would scale here in terms of potency but not outright AP, and a few notable technologies would be as well. Something less important or relevant but still a neat fact nonetheless, is that the fact that the Imaginary Units and Imaginary Energy of the Sea are considered to be colorless, and yet, all the Apostles that use it could be said to be their own "colors" as unique people that exist in the world, and thus it ties back to the name of the verse being Shikisai (meaning colors).
  • The Singularity: A complete background "thing", if you could even call it that. Truth be told, most of this is actually drawn from personal philosophy instead of anything else. The Mirror of Perfection in Japanese is essentially just my username as you can see: Kanpeki no Kagami. Outside of all the personal reasons to include this here, most of it is actually not that necessary. The only purpose it serves other than background lore and the aforementioned philosophy, is to simply have a logical creator to the world and a source of in-verse debate and philosophies in extension to that. The Singularity, or God or the Mirror of Perfection, will never have an explicit appearance or role in the story, and will never be explored more in-depth than the handful of mentions or conversations that it would receive.

Now while that should be all, I would like to mention one more element that exists in the verse but I was unsure of if I had to include it within the blog or not, that being the Old Ones. They are essentially an advanced "precursor" civilization of sorts that are far beyond the Imaginary Numbers Sea to the point where the whole Sea in its entirety is a simple tool for them. They have mostly a background role, with them playing a larger role in certain characters' stories and the overarching lore itself, but there aren't really any much descriptions for them to include in the blog and they aren't really their own structure or anything, and more or less only around three to five characters at most would even have any business scaling to things of that level, so I chose to not include them in the blog for now. If there are any other comments regarding this, then please do let me know.

However, that is all for now. I hope that I have managed to succinctly explain everything here without much confusion, if there are any then I will try my best to clear them all up.
 
Having read through this a couple of times myself just to make sure about everything, I am...relatively fine with this. While I am a bit hesitant about accepting The Singularity (since it doesn't play much of a role in the story), I'm fine with accepting everything else in the blog. I might need to read through The Singularity part a little more to warm up to it but right now, that's it.

A bit iffy on the Old Ones bit for right now, I really love the idea of them (I think the precursor civilization tropes in general are cool). It's understandable why you didn't include them in the blog. But is there anymore lore beyond just them using the Imaginary Numbers Sea like a tool?
 
Another_Council said:
Having read through this a couple of times myself just to make sure about everything, I am...relatively fine with this. While I am a bit hesitant about accepting The Singularity (since it doesn't play much of a role in the story), I'm fine with accepting everything else in the blog. I might need to read through The Singularity part a little more to warm up to it but right now, that's it.
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To be fair, all it takes is one glance at The Singularity to really understand why it doesn't have any big role in the story. I feel like it would go against the point of it in the first place to actually make it have an appearance and any big relevance since that would be outright contradictory to its description in the first place. Let's also not forget that narrative relevance in the story is not the sole reason for things existing in a story, an author could include any element they want even if it isn't the most narratively relevant (for example due to other reasons that might be important to them, due to popular demand, or even due to the author simply wanting to include it in their own story) and I would argue that it should still be valid unless it is absolutely bereft of purpose or even completely derails and/or goes against the themes and point of the story in the first place. In that same vein, while there is no explicit or major narrative relevance in the story regarding it, there is a reason for its existence in the verse itself.
Another_Council said:
A bit iffy on the Old Ones bit for right now, I really love the idea of them (I think the precursor civilization tropes in general are cool). It's understandable why you didn't include them in the blog. But is there anymore lore beyond just them using the Imaginary Numbers Sea like a tool?
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There's not exactly much, but at the very least it is known that they are the reason that magic (name might change) exists in the world and that they wiped out another civilization in the far past. One of the most major characters in the verse is actively trying to find a way to fight against the Old Ones since he perceives them as a threat and several artifacts of sorts left behind by them in the world exist, one of them causes a really major incident in the story.
 
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Kanogami said:
To be fair, all it takes is one glance at The Singularity to really understand why it doesn't have any big role in the story. I feel like it would go against the point of it in the first place to actually make it have an appearance and any big relevance since that would be outright contradictory to its description in the first place. Let's also not forget that narrative relevance in the story is not the sole reason for things existing in a story, an author could include any element they want even if it isn't the most narratively relevant (for example due to other reasons that might be important to them, due to popular demand, or even due to the author simply wanting to include it in their own story) and I would argue that it should still be valid unless it is absolutely bereft of purpose or even completely derails and/or goes against the themes and point of the story in the first place. In that same vein, while there is no explicit or major narrative relevance in the story regarding it, there is a reason for its existence in the verse itself.
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Having read through the Singularity portion of the blog again alongside your explanation, alright. I do like that it does spark some philosophical debate in-verse so, I think I'm warming up to the idea now. At least there's something.
Kanogami said:
There's not exactly much, but at the very least it is known that they are the reason that magic (name might change) exists in the world and that they wiped out another civilization in the far past. One of the most major characters in the verse is actively trying to find a way to fight against the Old Ones since he perceives them as a threat and several artifacts of sorts left behind by them in the world exist, one of them causes a really major incident in the story.
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Well, that got my question answered.

Overall, I'm okay with the cosmology.
 
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