Tier 1 & 0 Review Thread

[Phoenks]

Blog: https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RatherClueless/Cosmology_Blog

"The Name of This Story? Does it Even Matter?" (Rather's) cosmology has been accepted by staff after a review that has lasted longer than all the other ones combined.

The tier of it at peak is currently set at "Unknown" past some of the smaller structures, due to his cosmology simply not really fitting well within some of the outlines of the current Tiering System. However, we currently are still waiting for Ultima to give his personal thoughts and verdict on it. After which, the tiering might be changed. Given Ultima's reputation of taking a pretty long time for certain activities (Understandably so), we decided to let him through before that, since it could end up taking a while. The narrative reasoning was already determined to be absolutely fine regardless of what tier it might end up as, anyway.

Also, Rather has expressed that he doesn't even care much for tiering his characters and doesn't even plan on having statistics like that on some of his character pages... so I didn't want to hold him back for an extended time over that.

Congrats to him! I look forward to seeing some of his pages. I find a lot of the meta-fictional concepts pretty interesting.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Upon reflection and a new review, the staff team has decided to rescind The Shadow of Revenge’s cosmology acceptance, effective immediately.

 

[Re5yh]

Bump

 

[Rayfire]

Bump

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Bump

What are you bumping exactly?

There aren’t any current submissions or discussions here.

 

[DMUA]

Isn't this thread pinned, too?

People can just access it when they need it, it's not for broad discussion

 

[JohnConquest1]

Bump

I would assume you want to submit this for review due to the time frame between posts.
But this is the Fanfiction Character/Original Character section of the wiki, We're not involved in VSBs Tiering process.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Technically, would Carnitrix Ben 10 be allowed here, if scaling from Tier 1s from that verse is legit?

This wouldn't be an additional upgrade to the canon cosmology, it just uses as basis an already existing one.

 

[Phoenks]

Technically, would Carnitrix Ben 10 be allowed here, if scaling from Tier 1s from that verse is legit?

This wouldn't be an additional upgrade to the canon cosmology, it just uses as basis an already existing one.

Fan fiction that scales to the original still needs to have good quality pages submitted for review on this thread.

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Howdy fellas, I've come to make an announcement
I'm sending my cosmology blog here. This is my first time doing this so some things may or not be wrong, and I'm kinda nervous to both upload this and see the result tbh (especially if the cosmology itself is rejected).

The Divine Dilemma cosmology blog

Regardless of the result, I am sure that this will be a good experience for me, and if the cosmology is rejected, please warn me of my mistakes so that I may do better once I re-submit, it is to be expected after all. And if anything needs better clarity, I'll answer.

 

[Phoenks]

Howdy fellas, I've come to make an announcement
I'm sending my cosmology blog here. This is my first time doing this so some things may or not be wrong, and I'm kinda nervous to both upload this and see the result tbh (especially if the cosmology itself is rejected).

The Divine Dilemma cosmology blog

Regardless of the result, I am sure that this will be a good experience for me, and if the cosmology is rejected, please warn me of my mistakes so that I may do better once I re-submit, it is to be expected after all. And if anything needs better clarity, I'll answer.

You will be invited into a discussion on the discord. Good luck!

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

You will be invited into a discussion on the discord. Good luck!

Thank you, hopefully everything will go well

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

The Divine Dilemma Cosmology has been rejected.

 

[Kavoo556]

First time making a Cosmology Page for my story, The End of Despair, if it's declined I'd like feedback on what I can improve next time.

Kavoo556/Sandbox

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

 

[Phoenks]

First time making a Cosmology Page for my story, The End of Despair, if it's declined I'd like feedback on what I can improve next time.

Kavoo556/Sandbox

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

. . .

I usually do not like the usage of AI detectors, since they are often inaccurate and used with way too much confidence in places where they should best not be used. However, this is just super blatant man, to the point that I am very confident it was completely generated from a prompt. Even beyond the detectors, the word choice and structuring is very reminiscent of the common language models. It doesn't even seem to be edited out of the bullet points that something like GPT gives back.

If you have evidence against this being AI, provide it. Otherwise, I am not going to give this the time of day. Sorry.

 

[Kavoo556]

. . .

I usually do not like the usage of AI detectors, since they are often inaccurate and used with way too much confidence in places where they should best not be used. However, this is just super blatant man, to the point that I am very confident it was completely generated from a prompt. Even beyond the detectors, the word choice and structuring is very reminiscent of the common language models. It doesn't even seem to be edited out of the bullet points that something like GPT gives back.

If you have evidence against this being AI, provide it. Otherwise, I am not going to give this the time of day. Sorry.

I get why you might think that it's AI generated, but everything I wrote comes straight from my own imagination. I've spent way too much time creating this cosmology, thinking through the details, and looking back at everything to make sure it all connects in a way that makes sense to me and everyone else that reads it. It isn't something I just threw together, I put pure effort and thought into it.

Of course, AI can just throw out generic things, but what I wrote isn't just random words smashed together. Every part of my cosmology, whether it's the laws of reality, the functionality of the Creator, or anything else, it all has a purpose. I've made my choices based on what feels right for my vision, not just what sounds fancy or complex. That isn't me.

If it does sound a little too detailed or too well structured, that's because I've worked very hard on it. I've pulled inspiration from several series that I love, and even used my own personal ideas about power, creation, and balance.

At the end of the day, of course AI can generate big words with a simple prompt, but it isn't capable of recreating my passion for this. That's what I believe separates this from AI, it's mine, and I know every part of it inside and out. If anything seems too "AI" to you, I'd be happy to explain why I wrote it that way and what my thought process was.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I get why you might think that it's AI generated, but everything I wrote comes straight from my own imagination. I've spent way too much time creating this cosmology, thinking through the details, and looking back at everything to make sure it all connects in a way that makes sense to me and everyone else that reads it. It isn't something I just threw together, I put pure effort and thought into it.

Of course, AI can just throw out generic things, but what I wrote isn't just random words smashed together. Every part of my cosmology, whether it's the laws of reality, the functionality of the Creator, or anything else, it all has a purpose. I've made my choices based on what feels right for my vision, not just what sounds fancy or complex. That isn't me.

If it does sound a little too detailed or too well structured, that's because I've worked very hard on it. I've pulled inspiration from several series that I love, and even used my own personal ideas about power, creation, and balance.

At the end of the day, of course AI can generate big words with a simple prompt, but it isn't capable of recreating my passion for this. That's what I believe separates this from AI, it's mine, and I know every part of it inside and out. If anything seems too "AI" to you, I'd be happy to explain why I wrote it that way and what my thought process was.

Dude, everything in it seems ‘too ai’ because it very clearly is. Don’t lie to us about this.

 

[Phoenks]

I get why you might think that it's AI generated, but everything I wrote comes straight from my own imagination. I've spent way too much time creating this cosmology, thinking through the details, and looking back at everything to make sure it all connects in a way that makes sense to me and everyone else that reads it. It isn't something I just threw together, I put pure effort and thought into it.

Of course, AI can just throw out generic things, but what I wrote isn't just random words smashed together. Every part of my cosmology, whether it's the laws of reality, the functionality of the Creator, or anything else, it all has a purpose. I've made my choices based on what feels right for my vision, not just what sounds fancy or complex. That isn't me.

If it does sound a little too detailed or too well structured, that's because I've worked very hard on it. I've pulled inspiration from several series that I love, and even used my own personal ideas about power, creation, and balance.

At the end of the day, of course AI can generate big words with a simple prompt, but it isn't capable of recreating my passion for this. That's what I believe separates this from AI, it's mine, and I know every part of it inside and out. If anything seems too "AI" to you, I'd be happy to explain why I wrote it that way and what my thought process was.

I can't believe you send more AI slop in response to me calling our your AI slop.

I'm done bro.

 

[Kavoo556]

I can't believe you send more AI slop in response to me calling our your AI slop.

I'm done bro.

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??? I don't understand, how is my response AI?? I just sat here and typed out that entire response from my head bro

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I get why you might think that it's AI generated, but everything I wrote comes straight from my own imagination. I've spent way too much time creating this cosmology, thinking through the details, and looking back at everything to make sure it all connects in a way that makes sense to me and everyone else that reads it. It isn't something I just threw together, I put pure effort and thought into it.

Of course, AI can just throw out generic things, but what I wrote isn't just random words smashed together. Every part of my cosmology, whether it's the laws of reality, the functionality of the Creator, or anything else, it all has a purpose. I've made my choices based on what feels right for my vision, not just what sounds fancy or complex. That isn't me.

If it does sound a little too detailed or too well structured, that's because I've worked very hard on it. I've pulled inspiration from several series that I love, and even used my own personal ideas about power, creation, and balance.

At the end of the day, of course AI can generate big words with a simple prompt, but it isn't capable of recreating my passion for this. That's what I believe separates this from AI, it's mine, and I know every part of it inside and out. If anything seems too "AI" to you, I'd be happy to explain why I wrote it that way and what my thought process was.

Alright, look, even if this wasn't clearly AI generated, this cosmology isn't acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to give a quick review under the assumption that none of it is AI.

Firstly, you use some pretty glaring language throughout the entire thing. The word 'infinite' is used over twenty times, 'omni' is used 26 times, the word omnipotent is used exactly 9 times. Jargon like these are explicitly words that we watch for, and this cosmology is brimming with them. Not good.

Even section number 1 sets off a bunch of red flags immediately. The very first sentence of the whole thing says 'beyond even omnipotence', which, like what?? Why would you say that in a blog? It tells us nothing about the character or structures at all and just sets off in our minds that this is going to be more of the drivel that has been denied here in the past. Reading further inspires no confidence that we would be wrong to think so either. The 'Infinite Nexus' supposedly contains 'all Omniverses, Multiverses, Realms, and Dimensions', to which I say that not only is omniverse a VERY scaling coded term, it's also a terrible one to have multiple of. 'Omni' already means all. You do not need more than a single omniverse. The blog speaks zero mention of why its structured like this.

In fact the blog hardly mentions anything of the story elements. None of this tells us of narrative importance, purpose, or even why any of it is necessary AT ALL. Honestly the whole thing reads like it's just meant to glaze whoever this 'Æzoryth' character is. Some sections are basically dedicated to talking about how nothing compares to him. Look:

• Any immunity, no matter how absolute, is bypassed because the immunity exists as a concept within Æzoryth's domain
• Æzoryth’s Preeminence represents a fundamental truth: no matter how infinite one’s power seems, there is always a source beyond comprehension
• The will of Æzoryth supersedes all laws and concepts
• While some beings approach omnipotence, they do so within creation, which Æzoryth transcends

And I just got these at a glance. I don't think you read the tier 1 rules at all, and if you did, they clearly went over your head because nothing in the blog is even close to acceptable. At all. The whole staff agreed privately too.

The verse is rejected.

 

[FlipLaScript]

I plan to make a page for The Creator eventually based off of My Cosmology, and I just need help finding the tier of the universal tree right now...I talked about it here with Vene for help but it was mostly abandoned :0

So far i've talked to 2 people about it but both people yielded extremely different results (One said that it's max Low 2-C and the other never settled one on exactly, but it looked to be between tier 2-A and tier Low 1-C) :[

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I plan to make a page for The Creator eventually based off of My Cosmology, and I just need help finding the tier of the universal tree right now...I talked about it here with Vene for help but it was mostly abandoned :0

So far i've talked to 2 people about it but both people yielded extremely different results (One said that it's max Low 2-C and the other never settled one on exactly, but it looked to be between tier 2-A and tier Low 1-C) :[

Yeah honestly I'm not the best with the tiering, I've told you this multiple times so that's why I've largely left this alone, but it's been a few days now. Can't really go forward with anything without knowing if this is actually a tier 1 thing or not.

I would appreciate another staff opinion on the matter.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Okay, so the verse is confirmed to be Low 1-C qualifying.

Unfortunately, the cosmology has been denied. There are a few reasons for the decision.

1. Firstly, the obvious stuff. The jargon. You use the word infinite exactly 18 times. As has been stated plenty of times, we specifically watch out for words like this when we are reviewing these cosmologies. But just using the word infinite isn't the most glaring part. It's the use of the phrase 'unaccountably infinite amount of parallel universes'. Yes, we do encourage users to be blatant in their explanations when it comes to the structures, but at the same time we also require at least some information on the blog about how this stuff actually works in the story, the information of which doesn't exist on the blog. While there is present info on what types of parallel universes exist, there's no apparent reason for there to be an uncountable infinite amount of them. They are described as unaccountably infinite for no discernible reason.

2. Low information. There are a ton of structures on the cosmology, which, while they do not scale to tier 1, are still woefully lacking the information necessary to understand them. This doesn't reflect well upon the tier 1 aspects of the verse. There are numerous afterlives, but no apparent purpose for the existence of more than one besides 'different religion? You go here.' I have a hard time understanding why the '16 Sections' are structured the way they are. Or the purpose of their existence.

3. Quality. The blog and verse overall do not match the quality standards we expect of tier 1/0 verses, which are a good deal higher than that of the average verse. It's true that a Low 1-C cosmology is bound to be far more simple than that of a 1-A one for instance, but they are still expected to draw upon interesting ideas and craft meaningful narratives with them. The cosmology simply does not inspire confidence. The Creator, the actual tier 1 being in question, seems like a rather generic type of creator god.

So the cosmology is rejected. Better luck next time.

 

[FlipLaScript]

Okay, so the verse is confirmed to be Low 1-C qualifying.

Unfortunately, the cosmology has been denied. There are a few reasons for the decision.

1. Firstly, the obvious stuff. The jargon. You use the word infinite exactly 18 times. As has been stated plenty of times, we specifically watch out for words like this when we are reviewing these cosmologies. But just using the word infinite isn't the most glaring part. It's the use of the phrase 'unaccountably infinite amount of parallel universes'. Yes, we do encourage users to be blatant in their explanations when it comes to the structures, but at the same time we also require at least some information on the blog about how this stuff actually works in the story, the information of which doesn't exist on the blog. While there is present info on what types of parallel universes exist, there's no apparent reason for there to be an uncountable infinite amount of them. They are described as unaccountably infinite for no discernible reason.

2. Low information. There are a ton of structures on the cosmology, which, while they do not scale to tier 1, are still woefully lacking the information necessary to understand them. This doesn't reflect well upon the tier 1 aspects of the verse. There are numerous afterlives, but no apparent purpose for the existence of more than one besides 'different religion? You go here.' I have a hard time understanding why the '16 Sections' are structured the way they are. Or the purpose of their existence.

3. Quality. The blog and verse overall do not match the quality standards we expect of tier 1/0 verses, which are a good deal higher than that of the average verse. It's true that a Low 1-C cosmology is bound to be far more simple than that of a 1-A one for instance, but they are still expected to draw upon interesting ideas and craft meaningful narratives with them. The cosmology simply does not inspire confidence. The Creator, the actual tier 1 being in question, seems like a rather generic type of creator god.

So the cosmology is rejected. Better luck next time.

ah-

Am I allowed to resubmit it and fix the issues above, or is this unreversible? :[

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

ah-

Am I allowed to resubmit it and fix the issues above, or is this unreversible? :[

You may resubmit it eventually after a waiting period of a month or so. But do know that you’re expected to really fix things before you come here again.

As it stands, there’s a ton of stuff to do for this to become acceptable. I suggest you really take your time with this one.

 

[FlipLaScript]

As it stands, there’s a ton of stuff to do for this to become acceptable. I suggest you really take your time with this one.

I will...thank you for the second chance, I won't waste it >:3

 

[Greatgorilangaqil]

1. Firstly, the obvious stuff. The jargon. You use the word infinite exactly 18 times. As has been stated plenty of times, we specifically watch out for words like this when we are reviewing these cosmologies. But just using the word infinite isn't the most glaring part. It's the use of the phrase 'unaccountably infinite amount of parallel universes'. Yes, we do encourage users to be blatant in their explanations when it comes to the structures, but at the same time we also require at least some information on the blog about how this stuff actually works in the story, the information of which doesn't exist on the blog. While there is present info on what types of parallel universes exist, there's no apparent reason for there to be an uncountable infinite amount of them. They are described as unaccountably infinite for no discernible reason.

2. Low information. There are a ton of structures on the cosmology, which, while they do not scale to tier 1, are still woefully lacking the information necessary to understand them. This doesn't reflect well upon the tier 1 aspects of the verse. There are numerous afterlives, but no apparent purpose for the existence of more than one besides 'different religion? You go here.' I have a hard time understanding why the '16 Sections' are structured the way they are. Or the purpose of their existence.

Random question:
If a particular quotes from a character informed something consist many of the word infinite with even one that is too obvious indicating to uncountable amount (With the context behind is bizarre or random, although still indicating to the cosmology) with them barely had any reasonings to 'how?'. It would still be overlooked, correct?

(The Ruckerverse cosmology is used as an e.g. due to assuming it is fitting)

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Random question:
If a particular quotes from a character informed something consist many of the word infinite with even one that is too obvious indicating to uncountable amount (With the context behind is bizarre or random, although still indicating to the cosmology) with them barely had any reasonings to 'how?'. It would still be overlooked, correct?

(The Ruckerverse cosmology is used as an e.g. due to assuming it is fitting)

A quote reminiscent of "Infinitely many infinite stretches, and infinitely many infinite stretches of infinite stretches" is something that would instantly catch my eye. This type of quote is definitely something which would call the entire thing into question.

Obviously this is coming from a main wiki blog where this doesn't exactly matter, but it doesn't give any credence to why the structure is built that way, nor to what the story does with the structure itself. As far as can I can tell, it just... is.

Also seeing something like "alef-null. I wondered what it would take to reach alef-one, to go on and on through all the levels of infinity, out towards the unattainable Absolute Infinite" is like, textbook denial type stuff here. It's just on the nose higher infinity's and crazy math jargon, again without credence to why it is the way it is. So yes, if this was an FCOC blog I personally would not accept it without many good explanations.

 

[Greatgorilangaqil]

Much appreciated.

 

[AmogusSusfunni]

submitting someone else's cosmology for review.

https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User:AmogusSusfunni/flat

 

[Phoenks]

submitting someone else's cosmology for review.

https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User:AmogusSusfunni/flat

Flatterland isn't fan fiction. Flatland is in the public domain. This should be suitable for VSBW.

 

[DMUA]

Alt Battles, failing that

 

[Re5yh]

question, can there be multiple tier 0s

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

question, can there be multiple tier 0s

Not in the same verse, no.

 

[Phoenks]

question, can there be multiple tier 0s

Only if they are the same/unified being.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

So uhh.. I was asked to put this here for a Tier 1 review.. to “check if this is usable”! So, here is the Cosmology: MC Cosmology

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to add this here but Hopefully I am!

Apparently:

“The MOTHER CHRONICLES cosmology intricately weaves a multiverse of infinite 4D universes, higher-dimensional realms, and transcendental constructs. With entities like Cole and The PSI Queen manipulating fate and reality, and overarching laws like The Truth of the Universe”

I’ve read a few of the Chapters. If this isn’t usable, some feedback would be nice!

 

[DerPresenz]

I need to fix this, but cannot do it if the page is gone.

 

[Ebihara]

I need to fix this, but cannot do it if the page is gone.

"as said by Lephyr, that profile was rule breaking (unapproved tier 1 aspects). You were also inactive for nearly 5 years, technically we are supposed to delete inactive profiles after way less. The fact you reported the deletion of a page here, especially when it’s extremely clear why it was deleted in the first place, is pretty telling."

from @VeneficaAuthor in wiki vandlism thread where you posted earlier, so you know the reasons why it was deleted.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

So uhh.. I was asked to put this here for a Tier 1 review.. to “check if this is usable”! So, here is the Cosmology: MC Cosmology

Sorry for the wait. This isn't considered acceptable.

• "The MOTHER CHRONICLES cosmology intricately weaves a multiverse of infinite 4D universes, higher-dimensional realms, and transcendental constructs. With entities like Cole and The PSI Queen manipulating fate and reality, and overarching laws like The Truth of the Universe"

This is basically more of the same stuff that has been rejected already, and the actual blog itself leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't tell much of why these things exist and hardly goes in depth about their effects on the story itself and what characters/arcs they hold important status in.

Infinite multiverses are very common nowadays, and most of them are simply not interesting. This blog doesn't give any reason why it's infinite multiverse is any more interesting than any typical one.

“The MOTHER CHRONICLES cosmology intricately weaves a multiverse of infinite 4D universes, higher-dimensional realms, and transcendental constructs. With entities like Cole and The PSI Queen manipulating fate and reality, and overarching laws like The Truth of the Universe”

Speaking of, this line in particular reads exactly as if you asked chat GPT to summarize this cosmology. Which isn't really a good look.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Sorry for the wait. This isn't considered acceptable.

• "The MOTHER CHRONICLES cosmology intricately weaves a multiverse of infinite 4D universes, higher-dimensional realms, and transcendental constructs. With entities like Cole and The PSI Queen manipulating fate and reality, and overarching laws like The Truth of the Universe"

This is basically more of the same stuff that has been rejected already, and the actual blog itself leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't tell much of why these things exist and hardly goes in depth about their effects on the story itself and what characters/arcs they hold important status in.

Infinite multiverses are very common nowadays, and most of them are simply not interesting. This blog doesn't give any reason why it's infinite multiverse is any more interesting than any typical one.

Speaking of, this line in particular reads exactly as if you asked chat GPT to summarize this cosmology. Which isn't really a good look.

Now I’m sorry for the wait—anyways…

The thingy has been fixed, I really liked it too.. can you check the page again to make sure it’s good now?? I told them to add more quotes, is this nescessary?