This is probably a very bad idea.

[Monarch_Laciel]

Easy

The SOUL is not controlled by the brain. The SOUL is what SAVEs and LOADs.

Therefore, even if Frisk's brain is replaced, his SOUL will still be able to SAVE and LOAD independent of his physical body.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

My dude, you are arguing for mind manipulation done directly by altering Frisk's brain.
Frisk can reload when their brain isn't functioning because they are dead. This isn't like someone using a magic power to stop them from doing something.

The Brain isn't dead. It's healthy and alive the whole way through.

And yes, it's very similar to what you just described, except magic isn't involved.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Frisk is still alive, though. Their mind is just being altered. If Frisk was mindhaxxed, would the SOUL still be able to reload? If so, when did that happen in Undertale?

No, it isn't. This blatantly ignores how Undertale works. Frisk's "mind" and sense of self is contained in their SOUL. That is the culmination of their being. This SOUL maintains its will and power beyond Frisk's physical self, after death, and even pushes back after being shattered.

The mind alteration you are arguing for, again, is done altering the brain of Frisk's physical self. That doesn't cut it.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

This blatantly ignores how Undertale works. Frisk's "mind" and sense of self is contained in their SOUL. That is the culmination of their being. This SOUL maintains its will and power beyond Frisk's physical self, after death, and even pushes back after being shattered.

Frisk's mind is contained in their Soul? When was that stated or implied?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The Brain isn't dead. It's healthy and alive the whole way through.

And yes, it's very similar to what you just described, except magic isn't involved.

Then it isn't even remotely similar, because it's not affecting Frisk's SOUL.

 

[Jinsye]

Flowey has stated that the SOUL is the entire culmination of your being

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Then it isn't even remotely similar, because it's not affecting Frisk's SOUL.

So, magical mindhax that doesn't affect the soul wouldn't have any affect on Frisk's ability to SAVE/LOAD?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I'm actually legitimatly curious to see where everyone falls on the ship thing, though it might actually be obvious based on the arguments.

Considering that our bodies do not have any of the same cells we had 7 years ago, yet we are still ourselves, I actually fall on the "still the same thing" side.

However, this isn't being the same thing, this is being a weird alien cell'd replica.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Considering that our bodies do not have any of the same cells we had 7 years ago, yet we are still ourselves, I actually fall on the "still the same thing" side.
However, this isn't being the same thing, this is being a weird alien cell'd replica.

Not entirely true.

If I replaced parts of you with robotic parts that had the exact same form and function, then replaced your brain with a robotic brain your mind was exactly programmed into, would the end-result still be you?

 

[Jinsye]

@Dargoo

Not really

Your personality would be removed and replaced with a simulation

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo
Not really

Your personality would be removed and replaced with a simulation

Then, let's change the linguistics. If I "transfered" your mind to the robotic one, your personalities and memories, wouldn't the robotic mind be the new "you"?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Oh god, can we not start that debate too. I just watched chappie and got in an argument with my sister over that.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Alright, to save everyone some time, I re-read some of the comments, and I noticed that I missed one of Monarch's that actually had a pretty decent justification for Frisk's SOUL thinking and acting independent of the body, so I'll begrudingly hand this argument over and we can stop discussing philosophy, lol.

So, this is probably a mismatch now.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Man, that was quite the roller coaster.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'll uh, close this so we can forget about this now.