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Could someone bring me up to speed on the main arguments with a quick summary?
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The worst mistake of Cal's life
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FateAlbane said:
Uhm if BB erases his existence with CCC what exactly can he do from the Darkness Beyond Time?
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I think they're arguing if Lavos is of Earth, because of BB's authority.Aizenishere said:
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@SirOven
Saitama would still get stomped by the speed and power difference on top of still being outhaxed by BB's other powers.
As for the other arguments, BB still has access to her hax, she just can't lolnope everything without her authority.
But she can still exchange or create physical laws to emulate this (i.e. BB cannot be harmed in any way, as Meltlilith did by removing the concept of being struck from herself until BB put it back onto her).
Saitama would still get stomped by the speed and power difference on top of still being outhaxed by BB's other powers.
As for the other arguments, BB still has access to her hax, she just can't lolnope everything without her authority.
But she can still exchange or create physical laws to emulate this (i.e. BB cannot be harmed in any way, as Meltlilith did by removing the concept of being struck from herself until BB put it back onto her).
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So can Lavos return if BB erases him with C.C.C. in every point of time?
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If BB CCC's Lavos and he gets sent to the DBT what then? Can he still come backa nd fight or does that count as BFR
If BB CCC's Lavos and he gets sent to the DBT what then? Can he still come backa nd fight or does that count as BFR
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Speed is equalized.
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Doesn't CCC need the whole authority to work?Aizenishere said:
EDIT: Now if it doesn't, I'm not sure. Lavos was still operating in the DBT since it absorbed Schala from there, and it's influence was still felt to a degree in the real world, creating things such as the Dimensional Vortexes. Lavos himself emerged from the DBT back to the Time's Eclipse through it's own power, but at that point as far as we know, it was the DD. I'm not sure if it could come back from the DBT and resume fighting while still being Lavos and not the DD, if it got to that point.
It's pretty 50/50.
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Could someone give me the vote count? Please and thank you
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But can BB actually erase things from all points in time like that? Even from alternate timelines?
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Like she made the preset in all timelines so that she'd always reach the moon cell I'm pretty sure she can do something similar here with CCC
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That sounds different from erasing an enemy from all timelines, though.
If anyone can prove to me that she can do that, then I'll have to concede for BB because Lavos will be stuck without a way to put her down while BB can sooner or later erase it from all points in time/alternate timelines - and since Lavos was already the DD when it emerged back from the DBT, I can't assume for sure that it could do so as Base.
If anyone can prove to me that she can do that, then I'll have to concede for BB because Lavos will be stuck without a way to put her down while BB can sooner or later erase it from all points in time/alternate timelines - and since Lavos was already the DD when it emerged back from the DBT, I can't assume for sure that it could do so as Base.
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M8 what exactly stops her from erasing him from one time and setting a preset so it happens in every universe. That's how I see it anyways. I do agree I'd like someone to explain it better And possibly prove it since I know I can't.
M8 what exactly stops her from erasing him from one time and setting a preset so it happens in every universe. That's how I see it anyways. I do agree I'd like someone to explain it better And possibly prove it since I know I can't.
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>> M8 what exactly stops her from erasing him from one time and setting a preset so it happens in every universe.
The fact that Lavos is acausal.
Changes that happen to one Lavos or timeline/universe changes due to that won't matter to alternate timeline versions.
The fact that Lavos is acausal.
Changes that happen to one Lavos or timeline/universe changes due to that won't matter to alternate timeline versions.
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What does it take to kill an acausal being?
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Killing it in all timelines would do the trick here. Just that if BB's method is killing Lavos in one, then making the event repeat in all others rather than killing them all by her own hand(which is what I assumed she did), it would be much like Causality or Fate manip, which won't work on an acausal.
She would be trying to repeat the events on the alternate timelines based on changes made to the one where she killed the thing. Acausal's aren't affected by that.
She would be trying to repeat the events on the alternate timelines based on changes made to the one where she killed the thing. Acausal's aren't affected by that.
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A true acausal? As in a being completely transcendent to cause and effect on their dimensional understanding? Attacks beyond the scope of their acausality. i.e. attacks working by higher dimensional time
I don't see either of them winning this honestly.
I don't see either of them winning this honestly.
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/\ This.
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Ahh ty for the explanation and my apologies. Completely missed that when I browsed through his page. In that case I vote inconclusive unless proven otherwise.
Quick question: wouldn't it still be a stale mate if it was DD being used? or would DD having somethin up on BB?
EDIT: (DD is low 2-C, possibly 2-A right?)
Quick question: wouldn't it still be a stale mate if it was DD being used? or would DD having somethin up on BB?
EDIT: (DD is low 2-C, possibly 2-A right?)
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Considering that DD has a fairly high 4D scale of power, and it may be anywhere from above baseline Low 2-C to baseline 2-A (along with the corresponding Swiss Army Knife of Reality Warping on that level), it would probs take the cake easily.
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Anyways, since I'm counting the votes ever since the authority question was solved, it's 4 for inconclusive so far.
Inconclusive: 4 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizen is here)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
Inconclusive: 4 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizen is here)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
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Bump.
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Bump.
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Inconclusive seems fine for now.
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Inconclusive: 5 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizenishere, ThisIsMySwagPack)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
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Bump.
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Inconclusive as well.
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Inconclusive: 6 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizenishere, ThisIsMySwagPack, Unite My Rice)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
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Well, that finally settles it. Since it's unanimous, this can be requested.
Inconclusive: 7 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizenishere, ThisIsMySwagPack, Unite My Rice, Cropfist)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
Inconclusive: 7 (FateAlbane, Laciel, Gargoyle One, Aizenishere, ThisIsMySwagPack, Unite My Rice, Cropfist)
BB: 0
Lavos: 0
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