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That last parts sounds very NLFish...
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The worst mistake of Cal's life
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It is, which is why i went out of my way to say "in their tier".
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Void manipulation soul manipulation etc....
I took notice, doesn't change it.
I took notice, doesn't change it.
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Most of the Tier 7 characters don't have those powers. Hence the "almost" before the "everyone". Though you do have a point, i should have been a bit more specific.
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Cal should know better than to make a thread involving the ultimate NLF character we have these days.
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BB's power is pretty much receiving the "Yhwach Almighty Treatment/Unlimited Boundary Manip Yukari" all over again.
...Except it's actually worse, if that's even possible.
...Except it's actually worse, if that's even possible.
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After seeing the contents of most BB related threads a few days ago, I think they probably made the right choice.
The funniest part about the whole discussion here is that Authority works based on Causality as far as I remember - while Lavos is kiiiinda sorta Acausal.
Lavos does not originate from Earth either, nor is it dependant/reliant on the planet for anything whatsoever other than JUST happening to be the planet it landed on: It travels through space, falls into some planet, drains its energy for who knows how long, creates spawns, sends spawns to find other planets around the universe. Rinse and repeat.
Furthermore, the planet Chrono Trigger takes place in is not necessarily the Earth as we would normally take it (I also can't remember a instance in the game where they legit call it Earth but take this one with a grain of salt because my memory may be failing me).
There's even some evidence suggesting that the planet may have a will - such as in Chrono Cross where it was said that the planet had a dream of its own, and also that the planet was capable of acting.
The funniest part about the whole discussion here is that Authority works based on Causality as far as I remember - while Lavos is kiiiinda sorta Acausal.
Lavos does not originate from Earth either, nor is it dependant/reliant on the planet for anything whatsoever other than JUST happening to be the planet it landed on: It travels through space, falls into some planet, drains its energy for who knows how long, creates spawns, sends spawns to find other planets around the universe. Rinse and repeat.
Furthermore, the planet Chrono Trigger takes place in is not necessarily the Earth as we would normally take it (I also can't remember a instance in the game where they legit call it Earth but take this one with a grain of salt because my memory may be failing me).
There's even some evidence suggesting that the planet may have a will - such as in Chrono Cross where it was said that the planet had a dream of its own, and also that the planet was capable of acting.
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I don't know who wins, I don't know the whys, but what I do know is that going "Authority GG" is not working here. Plain NLF.
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Note how they always call it Planet rather than Earth.
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@FateAlbane
Fair enough. But it should be noted that aliens who have taken their current forms on Earth still count as being affected, as the Divine Spirits/Gods and Goddesses of Earth originated as microscopic bacteria from a meteor.
Quick question, is Lavos acausal? Or does he have an immunity to Time Paradoxes? There was a huge thread on this a while back and we decided to separate the two.
Fair enough. But it should be noted that aliens who have taken their current forms on Earth still count as being affected, as the Divine Spirits/Gods and Goddesses of Earth originated as microscopic bacteria from a meteor.
Quick question, is Lavos acausal? Or does he have an immunity to Time Paradoxes? There was a huge thread on this a while back and we decided to separate the two.
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Acausal. The change was already made to the CT characters. Lit. all of them are time paradox immune...except Lavos.
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Lavos has the legit type of Acausality since he abuses it in so many ways, Chrono Cross exists precisely because his Acausality works like that. He can also summon Himself from different timelines and all timelines are said to end at him. Also, when defeated, he was just sent to the Darkness Beyond Time and continued to operate from there... This is what triggered the whole plot of DD in CTDS and later TD in Chrono Cross.
I made an extensive and more detailed explanation in regards to his acausality in another, older thread a few months ago, Lavos vs Yukari (which happened to be actually a stomp). If you want to, I can quote it.
I made an extensive and more detailed explanation in regards to his acausality in another, older thread a few months ago, Lavos vs Yukari (which happened to be actually a stomp). If you want to, I can quote it.
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@NotEvenHuman, a stronger Mystery will overwhelm (not absorb, my apologies) the weaker one when they clash. Obviously this is not the be all and end all, seeing as Richard was able to fight Enkidu, Saber was able to fight Gil, etc. The thing's legend / presence in Alaya and Gaia also determine their mystery. But it is roughly how Mystery works.
If everyone agrees that things automatically get Mystery in verse equalisation fights, ok then
Also, while being acasual would stop Authority from causality manipulating Lavos to remove his resistances, it would not stop Authority from causality manipulating BB so it is as if she was never harmed.
If everyone agrees that things automatically get Mystery in verse equalisation fights, ok then
Also, while being acasual would stop Authority from causality manipulating Lavos to remove his resistances, it would not stop Authority from causality manipulating BB so it is as if she was never harmed.
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As long as we don't get the whole "Anything he does gets nullified before even happening", I'm fine with wherever this thread goes.
But without that whole nullification into play nothing would stop Lavos from coming back over and over either since even being erased from existence wasn't enough to deal with the thing.
And with both sides having a pretty ludicrous ammount of offensive/defensive hax, stuff like absorption and all, I have my doubts if either side can put the other one down really.
Question: Could BB come back if she were to be banished to the End of Time/Time Period Infinity or removed from earth? Because during the final battle against Lavos he keeps warping the battlefied to different points in time. Not sure if this would work against her considering she's no stranger to space-time, but if not, I'll be going with Inconclusive.
But without that whole nullification into play nothing would stop Lavos from coming back over and over either since even being erased from existence wasn't enough to deal with the thing.
And with both sides having a pretty ludicrous ammount of offensive/defensive hax, stuff like absorption and all, I have my doubts if either side can put the other one down really.
Question: Could BB come back if she were to be banished to the End of Time/Time Period Infinity or removed from earth? Because during the final battle against Lavos he keeps warping the battlefied to different points in time. Not sure if this would work against her considering she's no stranger to space-time, but if not, I'll be going with Inconclusive.
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Probably. She does similar things in the game.
I'd be going for inconclusive here too.
I'd be going for inconclusive here too.
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Eh, they get bored and go back to ruining worlds then.
These unkilabble pests.
These unkilabble pests.
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Lavos doesn't need to originate from Earth, he just has to be conceptualized by it, being it's been on earth for 65 million years that won't be a problem.
I also have yet to see evidence it's older then Earth.
I also have yet to see evidence it's older then Earth.
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I'm going inconclusive for now as well.
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Other than the acausality, most evidence doesn't even suggest that the planet Chrono Trigger takes place on = Earth and I already explained why.
Do we assume that every single inhabitable planet out there in fiction is our same Earth even if evidence suggests otherwise? And anyways, that point doesn't really need to be debated because Acausality.
Like I said, tell me anything, just don't tell me that Authority is working here.
Do we assume that every single inhabitable planet out there in fiction is our same Earth even if evidence suggests otherwise? And anyways, that point doesn't really need to be debated because Acausality.
Like I said, tell me anything, just don't tell me that Authority is working here.
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Yes we actually do, if it's stated to be Earth, we treat it as Earth, otherwise it wouldn't work on anyone outside the Nasuverse.
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>> "If it's stated to be Earth..."
>> Not once they called it Earth. Always called it "the Planet" as far as I remember. Though like I said, who knows, I could go through the entire game again just to make sure if my memory is failing me or not.
>> Not once they called it Earth. Always called it "the Planet" as far as I remember. Though like I said, who knows, I could go through the entire game again just to make sure if my memory is failing me or not.
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But anyways, whether it's Earth or not, that point isn't worth the debate because ultimately the end result is the same. I'll concede on it being Earth if you want.
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"Lavos came to Earth with the intention of draining its energy so that it could produce genetically enhanced spawn, which would then continue the cycle on other planets."
The wiki says he came to Earth, so I don't know.
The wiki says he came to Earth, so I don't know.
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Wiki, tho.
Supernatural wiki says people like Death and God are omnipotent, while Touhou wiki says "no limits to the powers of anyone"...
And anyways, sure, whatever, it's Earth. Different continents, implied to have a will of its own and the ability to act, could be anywhere in the Universe, but let's say it's Earth for convenience's and no derailment sake.
Supernatural wiki says people like Death and God are omnipotent, while Touhou wiki says "no limits to the powers of anyone"...
And anyways, sure, whatever, it's Earth. Different continents, implied to have a will of its own and the ability to act, could be anywhere in the Universe, but let's say it's Earth for convenience's and no derailment sake.
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"Supernatural wiki says people like Death and God are omnipotent"
Slight nitpick but they actually don't.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure Chrono Trigger has the dinosaur extinction in the backstory (Which was when Lavos arrived), so...
Slight nitpick but they actually don't.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure Chrono Trigger has the dinosaur extinction in the backstory (Which was when Lavos arrived), so...
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Search "Nigh-Omnipotence" in Death's profile, coupled with near infinite power.
But once again...
"Sure, whatever, it's Earth. Let's say it's Earth for convenience's and no derailment sake."
But once again...
"Sure, whatever, it's Earth. Let's say it's Earth for convenience's and no derailment sake."
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It's not Earth.
The Nasuverse Earth is our planet Earth, with our continents and the same age, but with magic thrown on top.
Things such as the Chrono Trigger world and the Dragon Ball planet are not Earth. They have completely different continents and structures. And both have humans living with dinnosaurs.
The Nasuverse Earth is our planet Earth, with our continents and the same age, but with magic thrown on top.
Things such as the Chrono Trigger world and the Dragon Ball planet are not Earth. They have completely different continents and structures. And both have humans living with dinnosaurs.
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@Fate
Well, you said full omnipotent, not nigh. That's a pretty big difference.
Well, you said full omnipotent, not nigh. That's a pretty big difference.
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- Shoots Ever because too much nitpicking*
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It's Earth in the Solar system.Sir Ovens said:
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Earth doesn't have one continent and four moons.ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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Better question: Can we please drop the Earth point, which is moot in this match, that I already conceded for convenience's sake and go back to the match? Otherwise I see this getting derailed into oblivion and I've seen too many threads closed like that.
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It could if you are strong enough.
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@Matthew But thanks anyways. I'll keep in mind that no matter how different in everything, in fiction as long as it's inhabitable = Earth, apparently.
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If they didn't want it to be Earth they didn't have to call it Earth, placed in the Solar System, and call the inhabitants humans.FateAlbane said:
But yeah, not to derail the thread anymore.
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Anyways, what's the vote count for this?
I counted 3 Inconclusive votes from me, Laciel and Gargoyle One after the whole discussion about authority not working was settled, since BB will keep negating stuff anyways but won't be able to put Lavos down so as far as we know we have a stalemate atm.
EDIT: Though considering the BB revision, Cal might want to equalize speed here.
I counted 3 Inconclusive votes from me, Laciel and Gargoyle One after the whole discussion about authority not working was settled, since BB will keep negating stuff anyways but won't be able to put Lavos down so as far as we know we have a stalemate atm.
EDIT: Though considering the BB revision, Cal might want to equalize speed here.
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