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The Wiki's Strongest: Part VI

Okay so what I'm getting

The dude gets his 1-A pal to kill G&W.

That seems very outside help-ish
 
Actually

It seems most of his powers that can bypass G&W's resurrection/Regenerationn come from the fact his 1-A true self eventually just

smites G&W or smth.

I'm fairly sure that's not allowed for an 8-A match, which also has no justification I must add
 
Yea I'm fairly sure recieving some intel is one thing, but literally having them step in and blast the opponent isn't exactly fair nor intended, as that's kinda breaking the entire tier rule.
 
1-A summoning is totally fine as long as it's actually summoning or Type 9 Immortality and not just the 1-A dude jumping in because you think they will
 
1-A summoning IS using pure AP that's above the tier, only in the form of getting something else to do it. Higher tiered attacks would be instantly banned, why is summoning the thing with the attack any different?
 
Drag-O-Drawgon said:
1-A summoning IS using pure AP that's above the tier, only in the form of getting something else to do it. Higher tiered attacks would be instantly banned, why is summoning the thing with the attack any different?
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This still stands. I never said it was stat amping.
 
Jesus christ, please cease these people's heresy and let them know that they should mention the creator of the original thread before voting them out of something!
 
You haven't argued or explained why.

Why what? If you're not going to read the page then what's the point? Li'Tongyi can just possess him or reassemble his molecules into an immovable structure and incap.
 
How did this happen already

Also what's Li'Tongyi's counter to having to fight 100 clones of itself all at once
 
Hl3 or bust said:
How did this happen already

Also what's Li'Tongyi's counter to having to fight 100 clones of itself all at once
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Literally the fact that the clones won't fight him due to plot manipulation

or he can just let his higher level manifestations mind control them if you want to ignore the plot manipulation.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
The clones would also have the plot hax y'know

Could you explain those btw?
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You realize the plot hax just says that the clones will never fight eachother throughout the plot right? not that they can control the plot.

Also higher level manifestation / other versions or manifestations of Li'Tongyi on higher levels of the Network are infinite times more powerful than lower levels so they can just mind control them due to the fact that all Li'Tongyi clones have control over eachother. Also since G&W can't even percieve Wraiths of Essence so he can't make copies of something that is a non-corporeal abstraction.
 
What? What about that stops the other clones from going "no we fight"

That doesn't really answer the question, and sounds a lot like outside help
 
Hl3 or bust said:
What? What about that stops the other clones from going "no we fight"

That doesn't really answer the question, and sounds a lot like outside help
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Dude it's the ability: Freak Occurance. They can't bypass their own passive plot manipulation, the basis of the ability is literally that it won't ever happen despite them or others having the ability to do so due to the plot literally writing itself around them so that it won't happen.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Except that the clones would also have that and overpower the originals
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How would they overpower them with an ability that says: "we will never fight eachother". You realize they can't change the ability to: "we can fight eachother" right?

G&W would just be making a ton of useless clones that do nothing and just get beat up regardless since their objective would be to "beat up G&W"
 
Because nothing in the description says that it is only "i can't figjt other versions of me," and it sounds closer to passive reality warping
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Because nothing in the description says that it is only "i can't figjt other versions of me," and it sounds closer to passive reality warping
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You realize that the manifestations aren't clones right? they're all pieces of his consciousness. You realize that G&W making clones of the 3rd weakest fragments of Li'Tongyi's consciousness is just dumb regardless because they don't have anything to support their Type 9 immortality. But I specifically disregarded that, also paired off with the fact that the clones won't have Law Manipulation and Reality Warping because those abilities are due to their ability to manipulate aspects of their 4th key.

And also it's not "outside help" when he's literally just controlling himself.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Because nothing in the description says that it is only "i can't figjt other versions of me," and it sounds closer to passive reality warping
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Li'Tongyi will not ever have his desires betrayed by his manifestations, although it is very easy for them to do so, the timeline will continue to write itself so that it will never happe
 
Hl3 or bust said:
So literally any key is actually a fight with his main key by proxy?
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All his other keys just exist and his first key can just manipulate their beings. They aren't even fighting, their just providing means for him to use his abilities and type 9 immortality.

That's literally what his ability: Collective Unity is for
 
An entity other than the ones in the fight actively helping one sice is outside help. What you just described is an outside entity needing to continuously supply the 8-A Zhandou in order for it to be able to do anything
 
Hl3 or bust said:
An entity other than the ones in the fight actively helping one sice is outside help. What you just described is an outside entity needing to continuously supply the 8-A Zhandou in order for it to be able to do anything
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Dude, it's not an outside entity when it's literally just the rest of himself so they are all the same entity that is in the fight, it's just only Floor 3 manifestations that are active, would you prefer if I merged all the keys to emphasize that fact? Also, even when ignoring all these abilities, there is no way that the many clones that G&W makes can match the infinite amount of Floor 3 manifestations that encompass the 1st key anyways. You're basically just doing G&W + finite clones vs infinite "clones". And I also never said that they can't act without the higher keys.

Also paired with the fact that they can never bypass Type 9 Immortality

Also Valev apparently transcends the Infinite Consortium with 4D law manipulation which the Zhandou's 1st Key definitely has.
 
Law what now?

First key what now?

Dude not only did I never even speak of his first key, but where did you get any form of relevant law manip from? I must be remembering incorrectly since I don't ever remember writing "law" on that profile, and certainly not for his earlier keys.

What even is that argument? Are you making up facts about another character? For what purpose?
 
Dude, it's not an outside entity when it's literally just the rest of himself so they are all the same entity that is in the fight, it's just only Floor 3 manifestations that are active, would you prefer if I merged all the keys to emphasize that fact? Also, even when ignoring all these abilities, there is no way that the many clones that G&W makes can match the infinite amount of Floor 3 manifestations that encompass the 1st key anyways. You're basically just doing G&W + finite clones vs infinite "clones". And I also never said that they can't act without the higher keys.

Also paired with the fact that they can never bypass Type 9 Immortality

Also Valev apparently transcends the Infinite Consortium with 4D law manipulation which the 1st Key definitely has.

Considering that there are multiple opponents, G&W could simply create a few hundred for each and every one of them.

Overall, yea, G&W really should keep the spot. This guy basically exclusively revolves around abusing a higher key and teetering on the edge of what's allowed and what's not, and every argument for how he'd beat G&W pushes him towards the disqualification side. G&W should be able to just clone him and win; The clones are stronger than the original, and who says he couldn't just clone the higher keyed entity as well? Not to mention that they would be required to force themselves into 2-D to enter The Flat Zone.
 
He can't clone something that he can't even percieve or even see in general. And also the literal structure of the Network and the Thought Fractal in general is that each higher dimension consists of an infinite amount of the previous so that just makes it even more clear that Li'Tongyi wins as it would be infinite^infinite vs hundreds. Plus, even if he clones a hundred of each, they won't be able to use a large majority of their most powerful abilities since they don't have the tied Network structure to provide them with the means to using those while the original manifestations have access to all of those from the mere existence of the upper level Network.

Plus, even if I completely removed the higher Network from this battle, you still don't have any way to bypass the passive plot protection and the fact that he can split himself infinitely which means that G&W would clone a million copies, discover that they won't do anything and get destroyed.

... and that he also has "Iterative Assimilation" which would totally negate G&W's cloning as the copies would be appearing out of nowhere without logical reasoning which defies the ability as will thus cause them to all disappear.

You're literally just arguing that Li'Tongyi "violates the rules" when you have no reason to justify that he can beat him at all.
 
DnW0 said:
He can't clone something that he can't even percieve or even see in general. And also the literal structure of the Network and the Thought Fractal in general is that each higher dimension consists of an infinite amount of the previous so that just makes it even more clear that Li'Tongyi wins as it would be infinite^infinite vs hundreds. Plus, even if he clones a hundred of each, they won't be able to use a large majority of their most powerful abilities since they don't have the tied Network structure to provide them with the means to using those while the original manifestations have access to all of those from the mere existence of the upper level Network.

Plus, even if I completely removed the higher Network from this battle, you still don't have any way to bypass the passive plot protection which means that G&W would clone a million copies, discover that they won't do anything and get destroyed.

You're literally just arguing that Li'Tongyi "violates the rules" when you have no reason to justify that he can beat him at all.
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First of all, you don't know if G&W can clone higher-dimensional entities. Stop making up facts, and ask the creator.

Second of all, you brought Valev into this, now what's your point? Explain where you got first key law manipulation from and why that's relevant.
 
ThePixelKirby said:
DnW0 said:
He can't clone something that he can't even percieve or even see in general. And also the literal structure of the Network and the Thought Fractal in general is that each higher dimension consists of an infinite amount of the previous so that just makes it even more clear that Li'Tongyi wins as it would be infinite^infinite vs hundreds. Plus, even if he clones a hundred of each, they won't be able to use a large majority of their most powerful abilities since they don't have the tied Network structure to provide them with the means to using those while the original manifestations have access to all of those from the mere existence of the upper level Network.

Plus, even if I completely removed the higher Network from this battle, you still don't have any way to bypass the passive plot protection which means that G&W would clone a million copies, discover that they won't do anything and get destroyed.

You're literally just arguing that Li'Tongyi "violates the rules" when you have no reason to justify that he can beat him at all.
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First of all, you don't know if G&W can clone higher-dimensional entities. Stop making up facts, and ask the creator.
Second of all, you brought Valev into this, now what's your point? Explain where you got first key law manipulation from and why that's relevant.
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Dude, his profile doesn't even have Enhanced Senses, Cosmic Awareness, or even Extrasensory perception so how is he going to see extra-dimensional beings lol.

Also you're ignoring the plot protection ability completely likely because you know that G&W can't get past it
 
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