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Yes Post flash point sorry I should've made it more obvious
Can you put the links for the profiles, to avoid more of these confusions?
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Thank you, I'll count that as a vote to Geralt
Although I would say Batman is superior in hand to hand by a wide margin
I do not see a calc for the feats so I am just assuming they have the same then with Geralt being able to amp higher with decoctions if he feels the need to
Oh definitely, said so myself. Geralt is more so a really skilled street brawler than an actual martial artist like Batman but Geralt more than makes it up with his unparalleled swordsmanship and experience. If we assume Batman is 50 years old, Geralt is nearly 100 years old by the Witcher 3 and most likely 100+ by blood and wine. This gives Geralt a lot more fighting experience than Batman by quite a bit.
I don't wanna burst that bubble, but, Batman has curbed dudes with far more experience than Geralt like Ra's Al Ghul (Like 500+ years old), but Batman legitimately has far, far, more experience. He deals with a lot more shit, look up Batman Vol 3 Annual 4 for just some of the shit he deals with daily. Batman also got sent to a dimension where time moves far more slowly where, with just a sword and some armor, and WW (The reason why it was him and WW, was because you get no powers in this realm and they're the most skilled heroes), he had to fight an unceasing horde of literal demons for 37 years straight.
You’re confusing Experience with Battle Prowess/Expertise. Someone who is a lot more gifted can best someone who is experienced in a field, this isn’t an experience related thing.
I'm not, I was saying Geralt having more experience doesn't mean much because he's beat the shit out of dudes who has far, far more experience than Geral so it's not exactly a good advantage.
Batman's been trained by Ra's Al Ghul, an assassin like 500-600 years old, with Batman outperforming assassins trained by him since birth within like a few weeks of his training.
What in the actual ****, say sike right now.
Lucius Fox covers that for him actually (In PFP mostly, pretty sure he actually owns WayneCorp atm, not Batman).
So has Batman? Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc (who becomes a kaiju), literal demons, vampires, robots, aliens, etc, Batman has fought every manner of bullshit and does so daily. If we're talking pure experience, Batman has faced everything Geralt has, and things he'd never even dream of.
So has Batman. (See that Annual I mentioned, he fights a dragon/hydra in that, was even mentioned to not have been his first one).
As with those Batman has fought, he's fought demons and wizards, characters with not just centuries, but millennia of experience, etc.
Nothing new to Batman.
My dude, that was a blip in Batman's overall experience, he's comparable to Diana even. Those 37 years? Was 1 day for the rest of the world, it came and went, it was nothing. That was 37 years that isn't even worth noting in the grand scheme of things.
You are though, grossly at that. If you combined every weird dimension, time slip and more Baman's been through, I would not be surprised if he had millennia of experience. Batman trains every day, bro doesn't even sleep, he micro sleeps while multi-tasking other stuff. He fights every day, usually against superpowered criminals, aliens, or other supernatural beings. He's throttled dudes who have lived longer than himself, and have lived longer than anything Geralt has ever defeated.
If this is tied to hypnosis then this wouldn’t work on Geralt due to witchers natural resistance to mind manipulation. And how combat applicable is this stealth? Higher Vampires are undetectable by witchers but Geralt is capable of reacting in time to fight them.
The thing with Geralt is he also fights characters who far outclass him and even out-hax him. Batman’s arsenal aside from stealth is effective but anything that’s throwable or long range is countered by Quen.
It isn't, that's just one of dozens of layers of bullshit his stealth has, even just the way Batman walks helps with his stealth. Also it'd be more social influencing than Mind Manip regardless.
My brother in christ, Batman faces dudes with smurfhax or are like tier 4 depending on the day of the week, Baman doesn't just "fight" dudes who outclass him, he fights dudes who could destroy the plane he's standing on if he ***** up even a bit, I like that time where he just outplayed an Amazo and didn't even bother to get help, ricking him, using his stealth and ultimately getting him to where he teleported him across the world, splitting his body parts across the globe. Geralt doesn't have anything even close to an advantage over Batman when it comes to bullshit they've faced and lived to tell the tale.
The reason I am asking is that Geralt can simply use Quen if that's the case. It was used in a night to remember when he couldn't detect the bruxa and it is capable of stopping even non-corporeal attacks, It works as an unbreakable bubble that far exceeds anything in tier 8 and as a body shield that allows Geralt to counter-attack if need be.
My brother in Christ, Batman is the most prone to character to PIS and Outliers in almost any character you can debate in online. There is a reason why he's straight up ridiculed in the debating community due to how inconsistent his feats are with each other, something that rarely happens with Geralt.
Cool, but guess what we accept? We accept his wacky superman vanish feats, we acknowledge he can do all these things.
He doesn't even have trouble doing that? His last arc was ridding and alt Gotham of its main villain, with LITERALLY nothing because he was BFR'd to an alternate reality with zero equipment, resources and had to make a batsuit of like a hockey mask and shit. Before that he was going up against a robot he designed to kill himself that systematically defeated over 70% of all Batman affiliated heroes who tried and basically soloed the JLA.
Uh, Deathstroke is insane, especially PFP Deathstroke. He's just as skilled as Batman, has better senses, better stats, has better thought processes, has better analytical and calculative abilities. Is the best tactition on earth, etc. Deathstroke consistently beats up the JL (minus a few) and the Titans, all at once.
I'd argue otherwise, PFP Batman is the most skilled incarnation of Batman, he skill stomps dudes who would make Geralt blush, Geralt is bringing nothing new to the table, and potions? What's a potion going to do to nerve gas, ice tech, nth metal weaponry and more?
Then Bat's uses something new. The guy has tons of gadgets and techniques, He knows every martial art and has mastered tons of weapon, carrying tons of things in his belt and suit. he has alot of options here.
They hate my glorious Batgoat cause he solos, that's all.
Which for Bruce is stealth, H2H, and using his gadgets to overcome great enemies.
Also the reason entire internet humors VSBW but what can I do about it but you're quite literally wrong either way. If this is the case then why is Batman 8-C then? This is his standard equipment, he hasn't brought any of his fancy stuff here. Geralt isn't a multi-Krillionaire that can buy everything he can and build things to make himself more advantageous in battle narrative wise, he uses what he has in his arsenal and builds them on the spot.
Classic chariot on his long-texted derails.
The last time I've heard is that Batman only ever beats Deathstroke if it is a rematch which is obvious due to a prepared batman fighting. And what a shock, most of the fights with Deathstroke Batman doesn't really use what you've said later on would neg Geralt, which logically thinking would work on Deathstroke. Also, physically even Deathstroke is inferior to Geralt.
"Batman is more skilled than Geralt because I said so"
Ok? You realize where you are? We use them, we're gonna use them, nothing you say will change that. If you don't like it, make a CRT or don't argue.
Nobody said as much, he's defeated people far above his pay grade without fancy mech suits through the use of his environment, standard equipment and simply skill ******* them. What are you on about? If he had that stuff this wouldn't even be a match.
Which is unironically one of his major disadvantages, glad you agree.
I'm not? Do you know how much shit he has on him at a given time? He has enough chemicals to be considered a country wide biohazard. He has so many different types of batarangs, it's not even funny. Misc stuff like, well magic, etc. Even his armor comes coupled with forcefield negation.
Calling you out for having not picked up a Batman comic for the past 15 years is very much relevant if your argument hinges on blatantly untrue information. And why the toxicity?
"but he still has trouble clearing Gotham of its crimes and street level characters. Like even I am not entirely oblivious from the stories of Batman from the cartoons, comics and movies."
Yeah? Obviously he isn't out-punching Superman level dudes? Doesn't mean he can't beat them with what he has on him normally by outplaying them? Being ignorant isn't my fault not a contradiction in what I said, that's on you.
They fought twice in the planner arc alone, Batman won. And that was after Batman fought several assassins. Deathstroke wins more often, doesn't mean he never loses. Deathstroke doesn't even win through raw stats, so Geralt being slightly above him isn't an argument, by that logic Killer Croc or Clayface or those Mecha in fear state would beat Batman.
Correct, he is. I'd say Geralt and maybe Talia or Ras al Ghul would be more comparable.
We're talking about comics lad, not irl, where skill actually IS a measuring stick, in which Batman is toward the top, skill stomping dudes who skill stomp dudes who skill stomp dudes, repeat.
Geralt doesn't resist being stealthed. He doesn't resist Batman's ten fucktillion chemicals (especially given he has some made for metahumans who might resist the weaker stuff). He doesn't resist being hyper analyzed by his cowl. He doesn't resist ion gauntlets. He doesn't resist, well basically anything I've said?
Did you ACTUALLY just say Batman doesn't use stealth as a standard tactic? No ******* way...
naratively it is usually displayed as something attributed to his sharp mind, skill, amazing weaponry, and decades of experience. so personally I believe it should be fine to use.
He beats them by outplaying them.
Bravo.
Batman has been able to match groups and armies of people. attack without consious thought, match opponents using multiple different fighting styles to try and throw him off. can counter moves and techniques he sees only once. he can also attack nerve, even being stated to know all of them. even stating that he knows hundreds of ways to take down opponents. even creating his own combat style. using slight shifts in the air. can face hundreds of attackers at once and come out on top. can fight blind folded. many heroes and warriors consider him the best combatant on earth. Geralt can adapt to a style but Bats can just use another fighitng style or move against him.
Batman has sleep gas that can knock out dudes who facetanks it normally for like a whole day. And nerve gas. Fear gas. Actual poisons, etc.
Yeah I was saying I do not know about the gas or tasers cause well they do not exist in his universe
I would say Yrdn, Aard, and slight instinctive reactions could really help with getting him a W and of course the potions could amp his stats to get through the skill
Well, our friend Chariot says that batman can use his stealth to hide and lay traps so the physicals barely even count and Nth metal nullifies magic so he can't even use magic to fight Batman.
I would say cause Geralt's senses could deal with traps and that he normally doesn't lead with signs so Batman wouldn't use Nth metal from the get go. Remember everyone no prep so Batman doesn't know he has magic
Batmans been able to deduce someone has magic before within moments, plus he has scanners and stuff. If ANYTHING Geralt has on him is magical in nature, Batman will know right away that he's a magic user, in which he's trained with Zantana for stuff like that.
Eh, the whole batfamily, Slade, Talia, Azrael, owlman and more all have that.
Nah he himself can detect magic (also nah it scan magical items and artifacts).
