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>Gremmy won't start with it
You do realize a bloodlusted Gremmy fights and a normal Gremmy kills with a thought?
You do realize a bloodlusted Gremmy fights and a normal Gremmy kills with a thought?
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THE UNDEAD KING VS THE VISSIONARY
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''laughs in inconclusive''
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"Gremmy not bloodlusted Means he will start with dropping him by imagining him dead or a cookie. "
Dropping dead to a Skeleton > Okie dokie. That's obviously what someone would think when they see something that's likely already dead. Totally. Mhmm. Come on man, average intelligence. Even average people would probably know that you can't kill something that's already dead.
Or a cookie > Ainz checks level of Gremmy and instantly thinks of Timestop and instant kill. Or just instant kills with Death that has no activation or gesture requirements. Plus Resurrection.
Kill Ainz > Walk away to take over the rest of the dungeon (Cuz it's a cool dungeon and he just took out the strongest being, so arrogance dictates he'd steamroll everyone else), Ainz revives and uses any of his instant death.
Dropping dead to a Skeleton > Okie dokie. That's obviously what someone would think when they see something that's likely already dead. Totally. Mhmm. Come on man, average intelligence. Even average people would probably know that you can't kill something that's already dead.
Or a cookie > Ainz checks level of Gremmy and instantly thinks of Timestop and instant kill. Or just instant kills with Death that has no activation or gesture requirements. Plus Resurrection.
Kill Ainz > Walk away to take over the rest of the dungeon (Cuz it's a cool dungeon and he just took out the strongest being, so arrogance dictates he'd steamroll everyone else), Ainz revives and uses any of his instant death.
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or the third would be leaving the dungeon cause he just took out the strongest being so logic dictates there's nothing else to do there
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Grasp heart on a guy made up of imagination?
If Ains dies when the fight begins because he is in range of Gremmy passive soul hax, then this fight is invalid, so Ains need to be outside the range of Gremmy soul hax in the beginning of the fight.
Also this:
Volume 9
The bell rang.
His consciousness focused to the absolute limit, Gazef stepped in with an unbelievable speed—
Without missing a single moment, Brain and Climb opened their eyes and watched—
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—And before any of them, the world went quiet.
"I see… so time-stop countermeasures are important, after all."
Because Ainz had instantly cast a silent [Time Stop], Gazef was frozen in front of Ainz, his sword raised high.
No attack would work while time was stopped. Even if he used attack magic to barrage Gazef, it would cause him no harm. Because of that, Ainz cast a spell while keeping track of the time.
"[Delay Magic: True Death]."
This was a 9th-tier spell.
He did not use it often because [Grasp Heart] was a more convenient spell.
If no spell could affect an enemy while time-stopped, then all one needed to do was delay the activation of the spell until the moment the spell ended. Although it was a basic combination attack, the timing for it was extremely difficult. As such, only about 5% of all magic-users could pull it off.
Naturally, after much training and practice, Ainz was one of them as well.
"...Farewell, Gazef Stronoff. I never hated you."
The spell ended, and time returned to the world.
Before anything else could happen, the spell took effect.
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—Gazef slowly fell.
"Eh?"
"Wha-what?"
Climb and Brain had no idea of what had just happened.
In the moment Gazef had stepped forward, he had suddenly fallen over.
Ainz caught Gazef's body.
His sword fell from nerveless fingers, and fell to the ground.
The battle was over.
Also this:
Volume 9
The bell rang.
His consciousness focused to the absolute limit, Gazef stepped in with an unbelievable speed—
Without missing a single moment, Brain and Climb opened their eyes and watched—
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—And before any of them, the world went quiet.
"I see… so time-stop countermeasures are important, after all."
Because Ainz had instantly cast a silent [Time Stop], Gazef was frozen in front of Ainz, his sword raised high.
No attack would work while time was stopped. Even if he used attack magic to barrage Gazef, it would cause him no harm. Because of that, Ainz cast a spell while keeping track of the time.
"[Delay Magic: True Death]."
This was a 9th-tier spell.
He did not use it often because [Grasp Heart] was a more convenient spell.
If no spell could affect an enemy while time-stopped, then all one needed to do was delay the activation of the spell until the moment the spell ended. Although it was a basic combination attack, the timing for it was extremely difficult. As such, only about 5% of all magic-users could pull it off.
Naturally, after much training and practice, Ainz was one of them as well.
"...Farewell, Gazef Stronoff. I never hated you."
The spell ended, and time returned to the world.
Before anything else could happen, the spell took effect.
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—Gazef slowly fell.
"Eh?"
"Wha-what?"
Climb and Brain had no idea of what had just happened.
In the moment Gazef had stepped forward, he had suddenly fallen over.
Ainz caught Gazef's body.
His sword fell from nerveless fingers, and fell to the ground.
The battle was over.
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Ainz's resistance to Death Manipulation and Necromancy says that inducing death on him wouldn't work. Transmutation is one thing, but inducing death is an another.MachTwo said:
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Ainz has no resistance to death manipulation on his profile.
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Yes he does. It's basically replaced with resistance to Necromancy, which still has the same effect.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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From the Overlord Wiki on Ainz
Basic Undead Race Traits
Basic Undead Race Traits
- Biological Penalties' Resistance
- Bludgeoning Vulnerability V
- Critical Hit Immunity
- Dark Vision
- Death Immunity (Refering to instant death/death manip)
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I'm not even sure what resistance to necromancy even means which is a separate thing from death manipulation.
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what exactly do you want to see? it's just something they do just for being alive like an aura ability.depending on the gap in power they can paralyze,make you afraid,crush your soul,and god tier can even disintegrate you for coming near them.
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time stop isn't passive so he needs to activate it.
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I'd called this Inconclusive as I'm not sure if Death Manipulation in Overlord is crushing the soul (soul manipulation) because if it is, that means Ainz is Immune to Soul Manipulation just by virtue of being undead. And we just aren't sure of either yet.
I.E. Its very possible Undead in Overlord are immune to soul manipulation under verse equalization or Soul Manipulation is in fact Death Manipulation in Overlord. We don't know.
Because if it is, that means Ainz is unfazed or atleast isn't instantly killed and stops time and kills Gremmy
And if not Gremmy just kills Ainz instantly the moment combat starts so.
I change my vote to Incon for now.
I.E. Its very possible Undead in Overlord are immune to soul manipulation under verse equalization or Soul Manipulation is in fact Death Manipulation in Overlord. We don't know.
Because if it is, that means Ainz is unfazed or atleast isn't instantly killed and stops time and kills Gremmy
And if not Gremmy just kills Ainz instantly the moment combat starts so.
I change my vote to Incon for now.
Can I ask the range of that ability because if the fight ends via a pasive that the opponent can't resist the fight is invalid, so Ains must begin outside its range.
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That's not how it works,you need to prove someone doesn't have a soul in order to be immune to soul manipulation.
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Someone who likes to read brings up a good point, doesn't a battle that just ends on start with no way for the other to resist it just mean its a stomp anyways? If this is indeed the case?
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yes that is the case
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It's a stomp if opponent can't counter,especially passive abilities.
Like that Nihilus character from star wars.
Like that Nihilus character from star wars.
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