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THE UNDEAD KING VS THE VISSIONARY

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I honestly think he wouldn't make it past the first floor. He gets chased down a claustraphobic corridor by skeleton mages that shoot fireballs and floats off the ground in a dark environment. If that doesn't scream "Mental Trauma", I don't know what will.

And if he gets teleported to that Roach place, that's super PTSD. If he doesn't immediately think "TELEPORT BACK TO SURFACE!" then the very thought of being eaten alive will enter his mind, and likely become a reality. He doesn't know what the room looks like without all those roaches so he can't just clear the room.
 
I doubt Ainz would lose character in this battle since in order to trigger that, the bandit people (Workers) had to basically sully Lord Touch Me's name.
 
Problem with Gremmy immediately killing Ainz like that is, he's going to at first be more confused of Ainz than anything. His intelligence is at least average, so he's going to think AInz is at least some sort of Hollow.

The Key for this battle is Intimidation. Ainz is intimidating AF, just naturally so. If Ainz does anything to intimidate Gremmy, Gremmy has the chance to have the Visionary hurt himself.

PLUS I have yet to have anyone actually bring up instances of Gremmy just instant-killing every enemy he has. On a profile, there's an example of him summoning a meteorite.

If Ainz has Despair Aura Level, hell even Level 1 on, Gremmy is going to have self-doubt and panic. If Gremmy crushes Ainz and Ainz revives, he might think Ainz is a perpetually reviving immortal, so he'd likely have to think of something like sealing to defeat Ainz. However if Ainz flexed and showed enough power, Gremmy might just think it's impossible to defeat Ainz and subsequently do any sort of things the human mind does when in a panic.

Also Arrogance and overconfidence is going to destroy him. If nothing else, he won't be able to detect any amount of "Power" coming from Ainz due to the Ring he has covering his magic and weak base stats, so why bother "crushing" this ant? Just summon an explosion on him or something and go onto the rest of the Tomb.

Ainz, on the other hand, would immediately go for Grasp Heart due to being able to see someone's approximate levels and HP; which Gremmy is superior to Level 100 warriors.
 
Hmmm Gremmy is not intelligence enough wont save Ainz from passive ability and he can very well intimidate Ainz with his passive(scans above). Really? Gremmy the Sternritter who think himself to be the strongest Sternritter who was feared by other Sternritter will fear to a skeleton? especially when he can sense that skeleton power and determined that he is fodder to him in term of AP? what now? gremmy lost to As Nodt because he looks very intimidating?

Gremmy wont instant-killing enemy

Oh he instant kill 2 injured captain level shingami the moment he introduce himself to shingami. Those 2 captain level shingami is super fodder to him.

Gremmy might just think it's impossible to defeat Ainz

Because Gremmy, the guy who created 1 being with Nonexistence power and the other with ability to regenerated from reishi regen(simmilar to Gerard minus stats amp) remove the image his of death will be impressed by see Ainz revives himsefl? if anything he just BFR him to space and call him a day, or if Ainz impress him so much he can just imagine Ainz power and now he will have completly knowledge of Ainz capability and can potentially copy it

Dunno what Grasp Heart will do here. He dont have any real Heart.
 
Dunno what Grasp Heart will do here. He dont have any real Heart.

Grasp heart is crushing whatever the "heart" would be to its target ontop of causing instant death. Its not just crushing a heart. Its one of the most powerful instant death spells he has. And he is someone who would do it as his first or second move in the fight. Depending on his information or lack of info, he would either use Grasp Heart first or Time Stop then Delay Grasp Heart to make it instantaneous to the target.
 
Grasp Heart: A 9th-tier spell that allows Ainz to remotely grab the heart (or whatever equivalent organ) of an enemy, and crush it, killing them instantly

This say the otherwise. scan of Grasp heart confirmed to do instant death? Plus Gremmy can remove the image his of own death.
 
"or if Ainz impress him so much he can just imagine Ainz power and now he will have completly knowledge of Ainz capability and can potentially copy it"

That's definitely not how his abilities work. He can only copy and gain knowledge of what he knows, not magically gain Information Analysis on all of Ainz' Abilities. He can imagine new abilities, sure, but if Ainz never shows Black Hole then Gremmy has no reason to think Ainz' abilities could let him use black holes. His Visionary powers rely on Gremmy's own knowledge.
 
MachTwo said:
Grasp Heart: A 9th-tier spell that allows Ainz to remotely grab the heart (or whatever equivalent organ) of an enemy, and crush it, killing them instantly
This say the otherwise. scan of Grasp heart confirmed to do instant death? Plus Gremmy can remove the image his of own death.
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Intelligence: Expert strategist in combat. Always tries to fight with knowledge of his enemy, and doesn't underestimate his opponents. Unless he knows for sure that the enemy is no threat, he will usually start the battle with instant death spells like Grasp Heart.

Read that end.

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  • Grasp Heart: A 9th-tier spell that allows Ainz to remotely grab the heart (or whatever equivalent organ) of an enemy, and crush it, killing them instantly. This even works on dragons and other giant enemies. Furthermore, if the enemy does not instantly die, then the spell activates a strong stun effect. This is said by Ainz to be his favorite spell, and because of the secondary stun effect, it is usually a safe bet to use it first on any enemy that is not obviously immune to instant death.
Read that end. Its instant death.
 
"Grasp Heart: A 9th-tier spell that allows Ainz to remotely grab the heart (or whatever equivalent organ) of an enemy, and crush it, killing them instantly

This say the otherwise. scan of Grasp heart confirmed to do instant death? Plus Gremmy can remove the image his of own death."

If Gremmy is instantly dead, he can't remove anything. What?

That's the spell description in the game and not it's actual "effect" in the New World. Like in the Web Novel, he used Grasp Heart on a dragon and it just fell over dead. Ainz never did the hand thing to crush it's heart.
 
Anyone calling Gremmy stupid clearly hasn't read the series. In character Gremmy imagines you dead or incapacitate you immediately depending on what he feels like. An out of character Gremmy fights someone like Kenpachi to prove he is the strongest. By the way an idiot can't replicate the functions of space,nor known the inner workings of advanced missles.
 
If you have an issue with it make a CRT. Don't debate his combat intelligence/weakness here.

Intelligence: Uncertain. Likely average, as he does not use his powers in the most efficient manner.

Weaknesses: Gremmy is quite arrogant and rather overconfident of his abilities.

Due to this being in character, Ainz has the advantage and that is quite clear cut.

Intelligence: Expert strategist in combat. Always tries to fight with knowledge of his enemy, and doesn't underestimate his opponents. Unless he knows for sure that the enemy is no threat, he will usually start the battle with instant death spells like Grasp Heart.
 
Grasp Heart causing Instant Death:

Volume 11

"Umu… dealing with fools is truly tiresome."

A cold voice rang forth.

Why did his father's instincts as one of the living not tell him that Death awaited him? It must have been his Draconic avarice at work here.

"You idiot! You've just thrown away the only chance you had to survive! No, I should kill youÔöÇ"

"[Grasp Heart]."

And with that, his father's body slumped powerlessly to the ground.

All eyes went to the body of the strongest Dragon here.

The way he did not move at all looked like he was sleeping. Of course, that was definitely not the case.

The air in the room turned cold, and the Supreme Being spoke.
 
Akreious said:
"or if Ainz impress him so much he can just imagine Ainz power and now he will have completly knowledge of Ainz capability and can potentially copy it"

That's definitely not how his abilities work. He can only copy and gain knowledge of what he knows, not magically gain Information Analysis on all of Ainz' Abilities.
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Not like Gremmy would be able to gain information about Ainz's abilities anyways, since Ainz has resistance to Clairvoyance and Information Analysis. Grammy finding out about Ainz's capabilities won't be easy at all.

There's also the fact that Ainz can nullify the abilities of other World Tier Items due to having a World Tier Item himself apparently, which are items that can Reality Warp in certain ways.
 
Ainz Reality Warp is not as good as gremmy

Can Ainz create being with nonexistent power by imagined it?

Oh resistance? Askin with power to become immune enemy ability(work on high 6-A) and lower enemy resistant is literally Fear Gremmy power and say he feels powerless to him
 
I see no resistance to Reality warping and Gremmy has pretty good Reality warping. Just need to overpowered Ainz Reality warping.
 
MachTwo said:
Ainz Reality Warp is not as good as gremmy

Can Ainz create being with nonexistent power by imagined it?
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World Tier Items in Overlord are powerful enough that other Reality Warping abilities such as Wish Upon A Star can't affect it nor counteract its influence. Wish Upon A Star was implied to be powerful enough to gain information about things, as well as gaining the talents (which, in this case, might as well be gaining the supernatural powers/abilities) of others.

Gremmy doesn't have any actual resistance to Reality Warping in his profile, last I've checked, so I don't see why Ainz can't use Wish Upon A Star to take out Gremmy once he decides to take desperate measures due to realising how powerful Gremmy could be.
 
Why are we even getting to this point?

Does Gremmy have resistance to Time manipulation? No

Ainz starts with Time Stop which is instantenous by just thinking and is completely in his character to do so and just instantly kills Gremmy. There is zero need to debate reality warping. Unless you are saying its in Gremmy characters to just instantly outright kill Ainz. This isn't Bloodlusted.
 
MachTwo said:
You don't need to be intelligent to reiatsu crush someone.
Its passive ability and even someone with quite good resistant to soul manip and can survive from multi city blocksoul suck is still getting soul crust ggfrom being near Yammy

MachTwo wrote:
For soul crushing, multiple captain level being can soul crushfrom miles away
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So how any of that counter this? and Gremmy Just need to overpowered Ainz Reality warping with his own Reality warping. its not like Ainz will start with Reality warping too. Gremmy will.
 
Jugger47 said:
Why are we even getting to this point?
Does Gremmy have resistance to Time manipulation? No

Ainz starts with Time Stop which is instantenous by just thinking and is completely in his character to do so and just instantly kills Gremmy. There is zero need to debate reality warping. Unless you are saying its in Gremmy characters to just instantly outright kill Ainz. This isn't Bloodlusted.
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Time stop is not a problem because Gremmy only need a thought to use his ability, unless Time stop is passive then Ainz wont use it faster than gremmy use his thought.
 
Yobobojojo said:
It's negation, not reality warping or resistance
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I see no negation too. And as I said, Gremmy just need to overpowered his Reality warping with his own Reality warping.
 
Does Ainz have resistance to getting his soul crushed just being in the presence of Gremmy if he flexes his energy?

Him being in the vicinity>activating time stop and death technique.
 
I see no negation too. And as I said, Gremmy just need to overpowered his Reality warping with his own Reality warping.

WCI are 5-B
 
MachTwo said:
Time stop is not a problem because Gremmy only need a thought to use his ability, unless Time stop is passive then Ainz wont use it faster than gremmy use his thought.
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This is in character and the very start of the battle. No prior knowledge. Ainz would just think [Time Stop] before Gremmy even realizes he can do something like that and he is completely dead before he can do anything. Its in Ainz character to do exactly that. Gremmy is not known to start off seriously at all. He is very arogant. He loses due to his own personality because of this.
 
"Time stop is not a problem because Gremmy only need a thought to use his ability, unless Time stop is passive then Ainz wont use it faster than gremmy use his thought."

Gremmy isn't naturally bloodlusted enough to do that. Ainz will see Gremmy's level, timestop and instant kill. Gremmy's level is too high and too much of a threat to leave alone or even humour. He's as strong, if not stronger than World Items. He's a being that must die now.
 
Jugger47 said:
This is in character and the very start of the battle. No prior knowledge. Ainz would just think [Time Stop] before Gremmy even realizes he can do something like that and he is completely dead before he can do anything. Its in Ainz character to do exactly that. Gremmy is not known to start off seriously at all. He is very arogant. He loses due to his own personality because of this.
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Read my comment above and how that counter his passive soul hax?
 
>Gremmy not bloodlusted Means he will start with dropping him by imagining him dead or a cookie. >Gremmy bloodlusted BFR into space,Drops meteors,Summons clones and etc.
 
How does Gremmy counter any level of Despair Aura that'd cause him to think about his own death, to which the Visionary Effect would instantly kill him for thinking so?
 
Akreious said:
How does Gremmy counter any level of Despair Aura that'd cause him to think about his own death, to which the Visionary Effect would instantly kill him for thinking so?
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How he counter Gremmy potent passive soul hax? Its passive and he dont need to think to use it.
 
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