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The Stardust Crusader vs Son Goku (3-0-0)

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Jotaro Kujo (Part 3) VS Son Goku (Commander Red Saga)
the next of my jotaro matches
  • Speed Equalized
  • Both start of 10 meters away from each other
  • Fight takes place at the World Martial Arts Tournament Arena
  • Jotaro starts off in his 8-C+ key but he could get angrier in the match if possible.
  • Time Stop is Restricted
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The Stardust Crusader: 3 (StekFence, TauanVictor, Nierre)
Son Goku:
Inconclusive:
 
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Can goku get past Star plat? He can try to fight and outskill, but if he cant bypass star plat, then uh i vote Jotaro
 
Despite having far better martial arts skills as well as items\techniques like the power pole and kamehameha, There’s not really anything Goku can do against Star Platinum, he can’t see him, overpower him or even touch him, even if Goku does use the kamehameha, Star Platinum could shield Jotaro from the attack.

So yeah, JoJo FRA
 
Can Goku ki sense in this key? He might be able to sense Star Platinum if he can
 
CBslayeR said:
Can Goku ki sense in this key? He might be able to sense Star Platinum if he can
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He could, considering stands are stated to be generated from one’s life force and if I recall, Ki is also stated to be life force in Dragon Ball, however Goku doesn’t get Ki sensing until the King Piccolo Saga
 
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Homing Ki Blasts could be troublesome if Goku tries using it and aimed it towards Jotaro but i think it is manageable with Star Platinum also vote counted.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
how strong is star platinum compared to goku?
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1.85+ is what Jotaro starts off at.
Goku is > Tao >>> Blue = 3.72.

Goku can one shot unless Jotaro gets pissed, and even if Jotaro gets pissed he might still be at the disadvantage.
 
Stands can and have been harmed by corporeal forces greater than they were. For example, DIO nearly flattened Jotaro and Star Platinum by dropping a steamroller on top of the two and then pummeling against it; because Star Platinum lacked the power to hold it back, he was ultimately overpowered...ish. If Star Platinum attempted to block an attack from Goku, he would fold under the pressure.

Also also, how come Goku is unable to interact with him? Ki and Stands are both powers derived from the life force of the body, no? If Goku can perceive and interact with the invisible life energy of his own verse, under Standard Battle Assumptions, would he not be able to interact with Stands?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
how?
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One instance I can think of is before the road roller scene, High Dio sends Jotaro flying towards a road where the latter uses Star Platinum to break his fall, however thinking of it now I can’t really recall any other case throughout the series where stands have shielded their users, so I might be wrong on that one.

Nullflowerblush said:
Stands can and have been harmed by corporeal forces greater than they were. For example, DIO nearly flattened Jotaro and Star Platinum by dropping a steamroller on top of the two and then pummeling against it; because Star Platinum lacked the power to hold it back, he was ultimately overpowered...ish. If Star Platinum attempted to block an attack from Goku, he would fold under the pressure.

Also also, how come Goku is unable to interact with him? Ki and Stands are both powers derived from the life force of the body, no? If Goku can perceive and interact with the invisible life energy of his own verse, under Standard Battle Assumptions, would he not be able to interact with Stands?
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Yes while Stands and Ki are both viewed as life force, Goku is still unable to detect or touch Star Platinum, The reasons why is because Goku doesn’t get Ki Sensing until the King Piccolo Saga (Commander Red Saga Goku is being used in this battle which precedes the King Piccolo Saga) another reason why is because it’s being stated several times that Stands can only be seen and interacted with by other Stands, However not every stand is the same as only one’s that are bound to objects or have large amounts of energy can be seen/touched by non-stand users, Star Platinum is not one of them. Stands are also believed to be on a different level to ghosts and spirits as shown when Reimi Sugimoto, despite being a ghost could not see or touch Rohan’s stand Heaven’s Door. Throughout Dragon Ball, Goku has never been able to physically interact with ghosts. Take Dr. Mashirito for example. Trunks, despite being an avid Ki user as well as being leagues upon leagues stronger than Kid Goku, was unable to to touch him. So unless Goku has enhanced Extrasensory Perception and/or Non-Physical Interaction which he doesn’t possess, there’s nothing he can do to Star Platinum.

Now to explain the context of the Road Roller scene, Star Platinum wasn’t about get crushed by the steam roller, only Jotaro was, he was using Star Platinum to get the vehicle off him, but Dio was rapidly pushing it down making it harder for Jotaro to keep up (Considering Dio was slightly stronger than Jotaro at the time), the reason Star Platinum couldn’t just phase through the steam roller and attack Dio is because if he did, the vehicle would’ve fallen flat on JoJo’s face, killing him (which in turn would kill Star Platinum), meaning the only thing Jotaro could do was lift/punch the road roller off him or slip out at the last minute (the latter which he ended up doing)
 
How is jotaro getting votes? Goku can one shot and star platinum can't do anything about it to stop jotaro from getting folded. If goku just powerpoles him, jotaro will die.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
How is jotaro getting votes? Goku can one shot and star platinum can't do anything about it to stop jotaro from getting folded. If goku just powerpoles him, jotaro will die.
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Ahem. Jotaro's physical combat speed by himself is like peak human to subsonic, depends on where his oraora calc lands, SP is Massively FTL and same with Jotaro's reactions. Goku isn't hitting him in 99999999999999 years
 
StekFence said:
Star plat body blocks. Goku can’t harm star plat.
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Star platinum can't stop Goku, even if goku can't hurt star platinum, star platinum can't stop goku's attack and jotaro gets hit.
DaReaperMan said:
Ahem. Jotaro's physical combat speed by himself is like peak human to subsonic, depends on where his oraora calc lands, SP is Massively FTL and same with Jotaro's reactions. Goku isn't hitting him in 99999999999999 years
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Speed is equalized. Also if you're trying to say that jotaro's reactions and SP are way faster than Goku still with equal speed (which is pretty dumb ngl it should be equalized to star platinums), then it doesn't matter because Goku's attack speed is equalized to jotaro's so even if jotaro reacts, he isn't fast enough to dodge an attack from a Goku who skill stomps him.
Also OP you can't restric time stop.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Star platinum can't stop Goku, even if goku can't hurt star platinum, star platinum can't stop goku's attack and jotaro gets hit.
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Star plat could technically just grab goku. Insta incap cos star plat can hold him, but goku can’t interact.
 
Jotaro's attack speed is also peak human to subsonic. SP has a separate speed rating on Jotaro's page for good reason, as it isn't Jotaro's physical speed, but Star Platinums'. Least that's how I see it.
 
StekFence said:
Star plat could technically just grab goku. Insta incap cos star plat can hold him, but goku can’t interact.
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Power pole extend gg, and jotaro punches he doesn't grab.
DaReaperMan said:
Jotaro's attack speed is also peak human to subsonic. SP has a separate speed rating on Jotaro's page for good reason, as it isn't Jotaro's physical speed, but Star Platinums'. Least that's how I see it.
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Yeah and goku should scale to SP'S combat speed not jotaro's.
StekFence said:
Selective intangibility moment.
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Yeah if he goes intangibile then jotaro dies. If he doesn't then he can't stop goku and dies.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Power pole extend gg, and jotaro punches he doesn't grab.

Yeah and goku should scale to SP'S combat speed not jotaro's.

Yeah if he goes intangibile then jotaro dies. If he doesn't then he can't stop goku and dies.
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looks at Jotaro's fight with Kakyoin
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Wrong.

He shouldn't. Jotaro is the main one fighting, he has a summon that happens to be a part of himself which he usually fights with. That isn't Jotaro's physical combat speed.

Wrong again, SP can very easily grab the power pole, or, you know even using your blatantly wrong arguments, just punch it aside.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Stands can and have been harmed by corporeal forces greater than they were. For example, DIO nearly flattened Jotaro and Star Platinum by dropping a steamroller on top of the two and then pummeling against it; because Star Platinum lacked the power to hold it back, he was ultimately overpowered...ish. If Star Platinum attempted to block an attack from Goku, he would fold under the pressure.

Also also, how come Goku is unable to interact with him? Ki and Stands are both powers derived from the life force of the body, no? If Goku can perceive and interact with the invisible life energy of his own verse, under Standard Battle Assumptions, would he not be able to interact with Stands?
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Damn this is SO DUMB
 
Have you ever heard of this thing called "Non-Physical Interaction"? Or the scans of ghosts literally passing through stands and being unable to Interact with them outside of being attacked? Or Polnareff having his attacks literally pass through a stand? Your argument is D U M B.
 
Star Platinum was never damaged by the road roller, and Stands were never harmed by physical stuff. What happened there was DIO throwing the road roller onto Jotaro, and Star Platinum just punched it to protect his user. What do you think he should do? "Let me phase through this road roller and let DIO kill my user smh", this is as dumb as your argument.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Power pole extend gg, and jotaro punches he doesn't grab.
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Jotaro does grab sometimes. If Jotaro is in danger, Star Platinum can act on its own in order to protect him, the best example of this was when he grabbed a bullet fired at point-blank range when JoJo attempted to shoot himself. During Jotaro's fight with Kakyoin, SP grabbed Hierophant Green where he proceeded to violently shake him which caused Kakyoin to badly bleed due to the centrifugal force. Jotaro has also used SP to grab projectiles like the time he tried to catch one of Bug-Eaten's darts. So if Goku used the power pole, SP could grab it and could yank Goku closer (Unless he starts extending the pole) or he could also swing him around or just snatch it out of Goku's hands with his Class K-Class M LS
 
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DaReaperMan said:
Have you ever heard of this thing called "Non-Physical Interaction"? Or the scans of ghosts literally passing through stands and being unable to Interact with them outside of being attacked? Or Polnareff having his attacks literally pass through a stand? Your argument is D U M B.
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Or Mikitaka who could see Reimi and ghosts but can't see Crazy Diamond
 
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